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NashvilleNiner wrote: Well, since all these defensive players saying they're just gonna 'hit the quarterback everytime'. Some rules are going to have to be adjusted, i think. It sounds like they (the refs) will protect the QB from unnecessary hits if he immediately retreats after handing the ball off, kind of like a normal handoff. I'm pretty sure you can't just tee off on the QB after he gives the ball away on a normal handoff, but i don't know exactly the rule there (does anyone here know how that works?)...so IMO, you shouldn't be able to tee off on a Read Option QB if the ball is already out of his hands, and he's out of the play.
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Minstrel wrote: NashvilleNiner wrote: Well, since all these defensive players saying they're just gonna 'hit the quarterback everytime'. Some rules are going to have to be adjusted, i think. It sounds like they (the refs) will protect the QB from unnecessary hits if he immediately retreats after handing the ball off, kind of like a normal handoff. I'm pretty sure you can't just tee off on the QB after he gives the ball away on a normal handoff, but i don't know exactly the rule there (does anyone here know how that works?)...so IMO, you shouldn't be able to tee off on a Read Option QB if the ball is already out of his hands, and he's out of the play.They talked to the vice president of officiating during the 49ers' third (I think) exhibition game about the rules regarding quarterback protection vis a vis the read-option. The rules basically boil down to:-The quarterback has protection when "in a passing posture"...that is, either looking downfield with the ball at his hip or cocked to throw, or else actually in the midst of a passing motion-The quarterback has no special protections when running the ball or carrying out a run fake-The quarterback regains protections after a hand-off if he's fading backwards out of the playThat leads me to believe that even if the 49ers run read-options, they probably won't have Kaepernick carry out run-fakes if he hands off. It'll make the read-option minimally less effective, but the bulk of the value of the read-option is the decision-making at the mesh point (where the quarterback and running back come together to possibly hand-off) so the 49ers could still run the read-option and, if Kaepernick hands off, instruct him to fade back out of the play. They could also run read-options where if the defender crashes down on the running back, instead of running it, Kaepernick drops back to pass knowing a pass rusher has committed to the running back effectively taking him out of the play.
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DasDinga wrote: I think it effects it more then minimally, it can get that read defender to freeze long enough to be out of the play completely.
Posted: 09/05/2013 11:48 AM
Yeah it was the third game they talked about it, it was explained and demonstrated very well.......your explanation was almost verbatim. Good job.
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plannb23 wrote: I think what is being missed with regards to the read option isn't the player that the QB is now in affect blocking, its the player who now is being blocked by someone OTHER than the QB farther down the play, and in almost every run play there are players like the back side defensive end or will backer will be unaccounted for in the blocking scheme because if they make the play, by the time they make it the plays far enough down field you're happy with the outcome of the play, qualifying it as a success.In the NFL there are almost always 7 people in the box. What the read option does is now put the running back in a one-on-one with another player in the box. As a running backs coach, I always tell my backs that they have to make at least one guy miss on every play. By force the single player to be on the running back by himself it puts the odds back in the offensive teams favor. For example, we run the zone read, and we always have a pass component as part of our offensive scheme. That means that the 4 receivers we have on the field are actually running a route. They will occupy the defensive backs just long enough to allow the rest of the offensive run scheme to do what it does. Lets say for a minute that we're reading the defensive end on the play. That means that the playside tackle now has the ability to get "back" to the linebacker and block him. What this has done is created a mismatch for the defense and now the're trying to play catch up. At the NFL level, playing catch up is VASTLY harder to do than at any other level.
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thethe wrote: Wish I could "like" this post.
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