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Posted: 02/05/2013 3:47 PM

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Moderators, didn't know whether to post this here or on draft talk, feel free to move it.

Possible cap casulties form around the NFL.  Hey, I'm pretty sure Jacoby Jones can strectch a defense.  flushed

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Posted: 02/05/2013 3:52 PM

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Perfectly appropriate to post it here. The draft forum is to prevent this forum from being flooded by college talk (which is inherent in prospect discussion)...but NFL offseason stuff is good grist for the mill.

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Posted: 02/06/2013 12:12 PM

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Jacoby Jones can certainly stretch a defense, but to me he's essentially a slightly better version of a guy who is already on the roster in Ted Ginn Jr.

The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.  He obviously doesn't offer the return game threat that Jones does, but that's not an area of need for the 49ers.  And I think Heyward-Bay is a better receiver than Jones.  Plus, he will likely be a little cheaper (with Jones' stock inflated following the SB) and may be intrigued by the idea of staying in the Bay Area.  If he gets released, I definitely think he's worth taking a look at.
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Posted: 02/06/2013 12:51 PM

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I'd prefer Charles Woodson to play safety.
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Posted: 02/06/2013 3:01 PM

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Canty Boley & Bradshaw all released by the Giants already...
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Posted: 02/06/2013 3:05 PM

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metfansrule wrote: Canty Boley & Bradshaw all released by the Giants already...

Bradshaw is a little suprising even given his injury history.  Always thought Cany was pretty decent in Dallas, kinda faded a little in NY.
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Posted: 02/06/2013 4:21 PM

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uncleloggins wrote:
metfansrule wrote: Canty Boley & Bradshaw all released by the Giants already...

Bradshaw is a little suprising even given his injury history.  Always thought Cany was pretty decent in Dallas, kinda faded a little in NY.

Canty was decent with the Giants, Bradshaw is surprising because they only save about 2.5 mil on the cap when they cut him..
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Posted: 02/06/2013 7:51 PM

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I thought the Raiders were fools for selecting him over Crabtree in the top 10, but he would be worth a look in free agency if the price is right (cheap). What concerns me about him is his target to reception ratio, 300 targets, 140 receptions. I have not watched enough Raiders games to know if its mainly bad passes, good coverage, or drops. He only caught 50% of the passes thrown his way this season (41 out of 80) When I have watched him though I do see flashes of potential.
ljlawdog wrote:
The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.

My two favorite teams are the 49ers and whoever is playing Seattle.
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Posted: 02/06/2013 10:07 PM

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questfor6 wrote: I thought the Raiders were fools for selecting him over Crabtree in the top 10, but he would be worth a look in free agency if the price is right (cheap). What concerns me about him is his target to reception ratio, 300 targets, 140 receptions. I have not watched enough Raiders games to know if its mainly bad passes, good coverage, or drops. He only caught 50% of the passes thrown his way this season (41 out of 80) When I have watched him though I do see flashes of potential.
ljlawdog wrote:
The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.
It's the Raiders, pretty sure it's bad passes.  tongue
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Posted: 02/07/2013 2:35 AM

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ljlawdog wrote: Jacoby Jones can certainly stretch a defense, but to me he's essentially a slightly better version of a guy who is already on the roster in Ted Ginn Jr.

The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.
i have always supported ginn's place on the roster due to his special teams play but i don't remember many SPECIAL plays this year. i feel jones would be an upgrade because imo he is a better receiver. i would have no interest in heyward-bay.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 7:53 AM

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Oh, I agree that Jones would be an upgrade over Ginn. I just don't know that we need to spend money right now upgrading our return game. Heyward-Bay is a better receiver than Jones in my opinion. He runs better routes and has shown pretty good body control when making a play on the ball. Jones, like Ginn, is pretty much just a straight-line guy. Jones has been in the league for quite some time now and has never put up the kind of numbers that Heyward-Bay did these last two seasons. He's good for 1-2 catches a game and is a threat on the deep ball, but you could get pretty much the same thing out of Moss or even Ginn. I'm looking for the better receiving option without much regard for the return game.

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ljlawdog wrote: Jacoby Jones can certainly stretch a defense, but to me he's essentially a slightly better version of a guy who is already on the roster in Ted Ginn Jr.

The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.
i have always supported ginn's place on the roster due to his special teams play but i don't remember many SPECIAL plays this year. i feel jones would be an upgrade because imo he is a better receiver. i would have no interest in heyward-bay.

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Posted: 02/07/2013 7:59 AM

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No more Ex-Giants for us.  We all know what transpired with Jacobs and Manningham was hurt and couldn't help us win the Super Bowl. 
metfansrule wrote:
uncleloggins wrote:
metfansrule wrote: Canty Boley & Bradshaw all released by the Giants already...

Bradshaw is a little suprising even given his injury history.  Always thought Cany was pretty decent in Dallas, kinda faded a little in NY.

Canty was decent with the Giants, Bradshaw is surprising because they only save about 2.5 mil on the cap when they cut him..

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Posted: 02/07/2013 8:01 AM

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ljlawdog wrote: Oh, I agree that Jones would be an upgrade over Ginn. I just don't know that we need to spend money right now upgrading our return game. Heyward-Bay is a better receiver than Jones in my opinion. He runs better routes and has shown pretty good body control when making a play on the ball. Jones, like Ginn, is pretty much just a straight-line guy. Jones has been in the league for quite some time now and has never put up the kind of numbers that Heyward-Bay did these last two seasons. He's good for 1-2 catches a game and is a threat on the deep ball, but you could get pretty much the same thing out of Moss or even Ginn. I'm looking for the better receiving option without much regard for the return game.

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ljlawdog wrote: Jacoby Jones can certainly stretch a defense, but to me he's essentially a slightly better version of a guy who is already on the roster in Ted Ginn Jr.

The name that intrigues me more on that list is actually Heyward-Bay.
i have always supported ginn's place on the roster due to his special teams play but i don't remember many SPECIAL plays this year. i feel jones would be an upgrade because imo he is a better receiver. i would have no interest in heyward-bay.

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You would only get the same thing out of Moss if he didn't have to overextend for it and there were no defenders in close proximity.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 6:59 AM

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I hope we don't resign Moss, he made a bold statement then played in the Super Bowl and gave a half ass performance...No but thank you sir for your one year.

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Posted: 02/08/2013 7:23 AM

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Giants DE Osi Umenyiora's contract will officially void on Thursday, making him an unrestricted free agent.



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Posted: 02/08/2013 8:40 AM

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Ya there's no chance they were gonna bring him back.. every year it seems like he threatens to hold out on the Giants..
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Posted: 02/08/2013 9:08 AM

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Bey would actually be a good get paired with Crabtree.  I think, in effect, Bey combines Williams and Ginn (I still like Williams but given the ACL who knows--although he did say he is ahead of schedule recently).  So, your WRs would be Crabtree, Bey/Willaims for speed and then Jenkins.  Manningham fills out and then we can draft another tall possession type to replace him in the mid rounds.

My only question is does anything worry Crabtree gets po'd about Bey?  I readily recognize Crabtree has grown up a ton, and I'd even like to see him get an extension at the point.  However, he was royally ____'d when Bey got drafted ahead of him (lucky for Crabtree but I don't think he saw that).  Does signing Bey bring up old wounds?
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Posted: 02/08/2013 9:15 AM

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If Heyward-Bey were relatively cheap, I'd be interested in adding him. I agree that he's been a pretty decent wide receiver over the past couple of seasons, even if a huge disappointment for where he was drafted. I watched a lot of Raiders games and Heyward-Bey did impress me with his ability to get open both with speed and route-running. I think he could be the "Mario Manningham" signing of this season: a pretty good and fast receiver who might be had at a relative bargain.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 12:40 PM

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Agreed.  Ultimately, this might all be academic as we don't even know yet if the guy is going to get released.  But I have no doubt that he could help this team if he became available.  He almost put up a 1,000-yard season playing in the Raiders' offense.  He could be the ideal stretch-the-field option that this team is currently lacking outside of Vernon.
Minstrel wrote: If Heyward-Bey were relatively cheap, I'd be interested in adding him. I agree that he's been a pretty decent wide receiver over the past couple of seasons, even if a huge disappointment for where he was drafted. I watched a lot of Raiders games and Heyward-Bey did impress me with his ability to get open both with speed and route-running. I think he could be the "Mario Manningham" signing of this season: a pretty good and fast receiver who might be had at a relative bargain.
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Posted: 02/08/2013 1:10 PM

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I want us to draft our future, FA is built now to over pay for players.

We are a BASEBALL school now...

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