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Posted: 02/03/2013 8:54 PM

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The team has several draft picks and there are some big name free agents out there.

Kaepernick only has one real receiver and that's Crabtree. Randy Moss needs to be gone, as he loafed a few plays in the freaking Super Bowl. Difference maker? I don't know, but it is what it is.

I say the team needs to pump up the receiving corps. Go big and go for broke with Welker or Wallace (if his health holds up).

Other than that, I don't see any glaring holes, although more depth at pass rush would be great. What say you?
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Posted: 02/03/2013 8:57 PM

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A little secondary tweaking/revamping.  Every team has seen the niner weakness, spread em out and attack.

Problem with letting moss go, Williams and Manningham won't be ready til after mid season IMO.

Gore will be 30 next year, gonna need to eventually draft a replacement. Lattimore in the 4th and let him sit a year.
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Posted: 02/03/2013 9:03 PM

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i'm not saying we won't add another WR particularly a young guy. but did you watch tonight's game? CK can slice up a D with the best of them and therefore i see no need in investing a ton of money in the WR position. (i might throw money at extending c-tree though) that money is better spent elsewhere or spent in smaller amounts than it would take to secure a big name FA WR. he seems to me to be the type of QB who doesn't need another big money target- just perhaps another solid one. (which he'll have as soon as manningham and williams are back)

again, all for adding more talent and maybe even a FA acquisition. but i don't see the sense in pursuing a big name big money guy. we should spend more time shoring up the pass rush and secondary i'd say.
ComicBookGeek wrote: The team has several draft picks and there are some big name free agents out there.

Kaepernick only has one real receiver and that's Crabtree. Randy Moss needs to be gone, as he loafed a few plays in the freaking Super Bowl. Difference maker? I don't know, but it is what it is.

I say the team needs to pump up the receiving corps. Go big and go for broke with Welker or Wallace (if his health holds up).

Other than that, I don't see any glaring holes, although more depth at pass rush would be great. What say you?

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Posted: 02/03/2013 9:20 PM

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uncleloggins wrote: A little secondary tweaking/revamping.  Every team has seen the niner weakness, spread em out and attack.

That's a weakness of every team if you can't get to the quarterback quickly. The 49ers' pass rush simply wasn't up to the level it was earlier in the season or late last season.

The 49ers could use an infusion of talent on the defensive end, especially in the front seven. I think part of the problem is that they wore down with zero depth to allow for substitution.
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Posted: 02/03/2013 9:43 PM

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uncleloggins wrote: A little secondary tweaking/revamping.  Every team has seen the niner weakness, spread em out and attack.

That's a weakness of every team if you can't get to the quarterback quickly. The 49ers' pass rush simply wasn't up to the level it was earlier in the season or late last season.

The 49ers could use an infusion of talent on the defensive end, especially in the front seven. I think part of the problem is that they wore down with zero depth to allow for substitution.
I don't know.  I agree to a point.  The last 8 quarters of Niner defense have been pretty pathetic.  Atlanta had long drives in the second half with gift rturnovers,and all the Ravens drives were time consuming even if they only netted 3 points.  How many three and outs for Baltimore?  One?  Not sure on that.  I would leave the room e=when they were on defense it was so frustrating.
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Posted: 02/03/2013 10:23 PM

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Needs-

Kicker if Aker leaves

WR for depth, move Jenkins up the depth chart

Backup QB once Alex takes off

That's it

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Posted: 02/03/2013 10:33 PM

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Stokes83 wrote: Needs-

Kicker if Aker leaves

WR for depth, move Jenkins up the depth chart

Backup QB once Alex takes off

That's it
Just have to agree to disagree on not upgrading some part of this defense.  Last two games when it mattered most:  Flacco 287, 3tds, 124 rating. Ryan 396, 3tds, 115 rating.  Something in that defense stinks.  Long drive after long drive,  one three and out for Baltimore tonight?

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Posted: 02/03/2013 11:10 PM

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Question is: will the 49ers even want Akers back? If not, who do you replace him with??


The big passing plays concern me. I wish SF had a shut down corner that could deal with these big athletic receivers. 

 

The offense is fine when you consider that Hunter, Manningham and K. Williams will be back next season. We're scoring enough points.

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Posted: 02/04/2013 1:32 AM

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I also agree that the pass rush got substantially weaker near the backend of the season and into the playoffs and thats mainly due to injuries and fatigue.  It was pretty apparent in the last 2 games when the niners secondary were repeatedly torched because the pass rush wasnt getting there quite fast enough.   Our most pressing needs, I'd say, is D-Line and CB.  Depth is where I'm getting at.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 3:58 AM

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49ers have plenty of offensive weapons when you consider Davis/Walker. What is Walkers contract situation like? I want to keep him around.

I think the 49ers definitely need to draft a WR in the first three rounds and address the aging defensive line. That is going to be a big need going forward and its better to address it now rather than later. The secondary is fine as long as we get more of a pass rush. Boldin is just a tough receiver in those jump ball situations.

Kaep is going to be great. Just keep making sure the offensive line is stout. The RB situation is good for another year IMO. I would draft a guy in the fourth round but nothing prior to that.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 6:51 AM

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The San Francisco 49ers will attempt to find a trade for Alex Smith, according to sources.

Both the Cleveland Browns and Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be interested in Smith.

f San Francisco deals him instead of cutting him it would save the $1 million or $2 million roster bonus it would have to pay if he is released.

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Posted: 02/04/2013 6:59 AM

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Stokes83 wrote: Needs-

Kicker if Aker leaves

WR for depth, move Jenkins up the depth chart

Backup QB once Alex takes off

That's it
tight end- Walker is probably gone
safety- Goldson may or may not be tagged again, I doubt a deal gets done
pass rush- You can never have too much of this, if Aldon gets hurt our pass rush is gone
D-line- Smith won't play forever
nose tackle-is Sopoaga going to be our NT next year?
corner-Reviscool I know it probably won't happen, would be nice though
O-line- Davis is a free agent and will be 35 next season, Goodwins getting up there as well
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Posted: 02/04/2013 7:32 AM

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Here's what I'd like to see addressed, in descending order of importance. (Caveat being that this team really just needs tweaks here and there and has no glaring weaknesses outside of number 4 below).

1. Secondary - I do think we can attribute much of the secondary's issues down the stretch and in the postseason to the disappearance of the pass rush, but I still think this is our biggest area of concern moving forward. Whitner regressed this year. He can still get in the box and deliver a big hit like any strong safety should, but he is not good enough in pass coverage. In today's NFL, you really need two corners who can play the cover 2 and cover WRs. Last year, Whitner was sufficient here, but his game dropped off. Rogers, Brown, and Culliver can all hold their own when the pass rush is there, but none are world beaters and all will frequently need help over the top (plus we play a lot of zone). Goldson is the best player in the secondary, but he could get away in free agency and I don't see his backup on the roster. They need to draft a safety with one of their early picks and maybe look to add depth to the position via free agency and/or a late pick.

2. Defensive Tackle - Sopoaga is another possible free agency casualty and I'm not sure Jean-Francois can be the answer at NT. In the 3-4 defense, you really need a mammoth in the middle that can clog lanes and occasionally collapse the pockets. I think this is another position that you address early in the draft.

3. Backup quarterback - maybe Tolzien is the answer here, but I'd like to see a veteran brought in for insurance. The reality of a running QB is that they are exponentially more likely to get hurt on any given Sunday. We need someone here who can step into the fire mid game if called upon and not be rattled. I'd hate to see what could be another Super Bowl season get derailed because of injury and lack of options at this position.

4. Kicker - not much needs to be said here. Need one.

5. Wide Receiver - Crabtree has become one of the best, but we need a deep threat to complement him. Maybe Jenkins is that guy, but I would look for another stretch-the-field receiver either mid-draft or in free agency. Manningham opposite Crabtree doesn't instill the big play threat that is pivotal in today's NFL.

6. Running Back - this can probably wait another year or two as Gore is still playing at an elite level. But he is north of 30 and the inevitable decline has to be on the horizon. Before Hunter's injury, I would've been pretty comfortable with him and James as a tandem running behind this great offensive line. But we just don't know what he's going to look like upon return. I wouldn't use a high pick here or spend big FA money, but I like the idea of looking for a Lattimore-type mid-round steal. If they don't find the answer this offseason, they may find themselves having to use a high pick on a RB next year, which is something I'm rarely a fan of.

Again, these are mostly minor issues moving forward as I think this team is already poised to make another run as currently constructed.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 8:06 AM

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ljlawdog wrote: 3. Backup quarterback - maybe Tolzien is the answer here, but I'd like to see a veteran brought in for insurance. The reality of a running QB is that they are exponentially more likely to get hurt on any given Sunday.

I would have thought so, too, but I thought this was an interesting article on the subject from Slate, mostly finding that the rate of injury (measured by missed starts) and the types of injury sustained by mobile quarterbacks and conventional drop-back passers are pretty close to identical.

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As for backup quarterback, if Harbaugh likes Tolzien, I'd prefer him over most of the retreads out there. The only two "veterans" I'd be interested in are perhaps Josh Johnson (but if he couldn't beat out Tolzien last year for the third-string job, there's no particular reason to believe he would this year for the second-string job) and, much moreso, Matt Moore, whom I thought played well as the Dolphins starter in 2011. Not a world-beater, but was pretty competent at moving the offense, which is as much as you can ask for from a veteran.

The rest of the available quarterbacks just seem like a very large pile of failure and meh.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 8:26 AM

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ljlawdog wrote: 3. Backup quarterback - maybe Tolzien is the answer here, but I'd like to see a veteran brought in for insurance. The reality of a running QB is that they are exponentially more likely to get hurt on any given Sunday.

I would have thought so, too, but I thought this was an interesting article on the subject from Slate, mostly finding that the rate of injury (measured by missed starts) and the types of injury sustained by mobile quarterbacks and conventional drop-back passers are pretty close to identical.

Link

As for backup quarterback, if Harbaugh likes Tolzien, I'd prefer him over most of the retreads out there. The only two "veterans" I'd be interested in are perhaps Josh Johnson (but if he couldn't beat out Tolzien last year for the third-string job, there's no particular reason to believe he would this year for the second-string job) and, much moreso, Matt Moore, whom I thought played well as the Dolphins starter in 2011. Not a world-beater, but was pretty competent at moving the offense, which is as much as you can ask for from a veteran.

The rest of the available quarterbacks just seem like a very large pile of failure and meh.
Interesting.  To me, admittedly without giving it a whole lot of thought or looking at any empirical data, it almost seemed a matter of common sense that a mobile QB would be more likely to get injured.  But I suppose perceptions are not always reality.  Either way, I do think it's important that any team has an adequate backup QB.  

I tend to share your sentiments about the backup QB pickings that are out there, but I'd still like to see someone semi-proven (or at least experienced) brought in to compete.  It could be that Tolzien just beats that guy out for the number 2 job anyway, but I'd feel a little better if the veteran was there.  If Kaepernick had to miss an extended period of time next season, maybe Tolzien is the guy.  But in terms of a mid-game replacement if it was a close game, I'd prefer someone in that situation who has actually seen live a lot of live action.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 9:07 AM

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questfor6 wrote:
Stokes83 wrote: Needs-

Kicker if Aker leaves

WR for depth, move Jenkins up the depth chart

Backup QB once Alex takes off

That's it
tight end- Walker is probably gone
safety- Goldson may or may not be tagged again, I doubt a deal gets done
pass rush- You can never have too much of this, if Aldon gets hurt our pass rush is gone
D-line- Smith won't play forever
nose tackle-is Sopoaga going to be our NT next year?
corner-Reviscool I know it probably won't happen, would be nice though
O-line- Davis is a free agent and will be 35 next season, Goodwins getting up there as well
Aldon needs to get stronger.  Too many times he let QBs out of his grasp.

Need another DE to step in, as Smith's injury highlights the weakness on DL.  I actually like Dobbs and think we lost more than we anticipated when that happened, but I'd expect first or second rounder going for DL. 

Need to get a true back up for Sopo (or a replacement if we don't sign him).  Like RJF but he's not a starter.  Too bad Ian Williams hasn't developed.  I'd expect him to get dropped since we've not seen him.

DBs need help.  Ironically, people were singing Culliver's praises and ragging on Rogers.  Rogers was fine and not so Culliver.  I think that is a momentary thing.  But we have to get more out of our CBs.  I think Cox has played ok, and Brown is very good.  Need more though.  I'd expect high round pick on CB (1-3).  Who knows what they do at safety. 

I would expect we'll be drafting for defense this year, and we will have Dobbs back, Flemming and Cam (who could provide depth, especially if Grant is not signed).  I think the offense could be tweaked, but I for one don't think we have to crazy there.  We probably need a RB to replace Gore, but LMJ will be a star.  WRs of Manningham, Crabtree, Jenkins and Williams is pretty good.  Line is set and has good depth.  TEs are fine with Davis. 

We will trade Smith for a 2014 pick.  I'd expect we will reserve some of our picks this year for next year too.  Reload, not rebuild
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Posted: 02/04/2013 9:20 AM

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One my concerns with Kaep and injuries is that the Ravens were hitting him way too many times when he handed the ball off in that read option. I think more and more teams are going to start doing this to wear down Kaep and possibly get him out of the game.

As far as scrambling and such, Kaep seems to have a real good sense about when to get down and when to get out of bounds. Plus, he just seems so much faster and elusive than most of the mobile QB's in the NFL. 
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Posted: 02/04/2013 9:34 AM

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Posted: 02/04/2013 9:36 AM

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I think the 9ers may already have a hidden gem on their roster (no pun intended) with Jewel Hampton. He was injured all year but the undrafted RB seems to be the type of runner to compliment the runners already on the roster as a between the tackles low center of gravity type of legs churning after contact type of back. In the limted tape I seen on youtube he reminded me of a young Gore. He is coming off of ACL injury, so this was like a red shirt year for him. Next year though he may get a chance to produce as the coaches seemed to think enough of him to sign him as an undrafted player that was injured.
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6. Running Back - this can probably wait another year or two as Gore is still playing at an elite level. But he is north of 30 and the inevitable decline has to be on the horizon. Before Hunter's injury, I would've been pretty comfortable with him and James as a tandem running behind this great offensive line. But we just don't know what he's going to look like upon return. I wouldn't use a high pick here or spend big FA money, but I like the idea of looking for a Lattimore-type mid-round steal. If they don't find the answer this offseason, they may find themselves having to use a high pick on a RB next year, which is something I'm rarely a fan of.

Again, these are mostly minor issues moving forward as I think this team is already poised to make another run as currently constructed.
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Posted: 02/04/2013 9:39 AM

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Lattimore won't be available in the fourth. We may have to spend a first rounder on him if we want the guy. Here's what Im hoping, first round best available. Second, upgrade the DLine. Need to start grooming the eventual replacement to Smith and play on opp. side. Third Draft DJ Swearinger, franchise and trade Golston and hopefully we have a third from Alex Smith to draft Lattimore, if he is still there.

(We really really should have drafted Jeffrey and Janoris Jenkins).

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