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Culliver Needs to Keep his Mouth Shut

Posted: 01/30/2013 3:57 PM

Culliver Needs to Keep his Mouth Shut 


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...ZXJuYWw-;_ylv=3

For some reason I can't reduce the size of the link above...

Just a really stupid thing for someone to say.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 4:03 PM

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I agree, it was pretty ill-considered and bigoted. I'm glad that the 49ers organization was firm in rejecting his comments.
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Posted: 01/30/2013 5:08 PM

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not to mention poor timing. the game is won on the field. but do we really need the distraction this will bring? *sigh*

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Posted: 01/30/2013 10:30 PM

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Posted: 01/31/2013 4:45 AM

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I do not agree with what Culliver said, but I also think Media Baited him into talking about a player that has not been with us since 2008.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 6:37 AM

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Posted: 01/31/2013 9:41 AM

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but I also think Media Baited him into talking about a player that has not been with us since 2008.

That is, if you can call a comedian a member of the media.

One of the biggest mistakes Culliver made was even agreeing to an interview with a bozo like this during Super Bowl week. Many comedians these days make their living by sterotyping people, and the humor often has racist and sexist overtones (in addition to foul language). The players have too many media obligations on site as it is. The rest of their time should be spent preparing for the game. I'm not excusing Culliver of his responsibility, but he shouldn't have agreed to be interviewed by this radio clown to begin with.

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Posted: 01/31/2013 9:43 AM

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11901 wrote: I do not agree with what Culliver said, but I also think Media Baited him into talking about a player that has not been with us since 2008.

He was totally baited, and I'm guessing he said things that many feel.  But that doesn't matter.  It was hatefilled and had no business being said (much less, IMHO believed). If you'd substituted "african american" or "latino" or ... (pick your poison here) for "gay", well, you get the point.  Honestly, the guy needs some serious sensitivity hours.

And, for the record, I'm not trying to get into the politics of this.  There are lots of issues surrounding the rights of the LGBT.  Those things are often tied to religious beliefs and everyone here (and on the 9ers) has a right of free speech.  But what he said went well beyond "not agreeing" or "having issues with" discussions about marriage equality and other LGBT topics.  It was, at the end of the day, just hate.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 9:48 AM

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This is a non-issue really.  If he's not ok with gay people, thats his personal business.  I hope someone comes to him with some advice & education about the subject.  But this is completely different than say, the CEO of a large company espousing an anti-gay agenda or anti-gay climate throughout their organization.  I'm sure if you ask many players throughout the league, they'd say something similar; but hopefully, the attitude in the League will follow the growing attitude through the rest of the country of tolerance & acceptance...

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Posted: 01/31/2013 12:38 PM

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The NFL deserves some blame here.

Arte Lange Jr., the guy who interviewed Culliver, is best known for his tenures on the Howard Stern Show as well as his neverending battles with substance abuse. The guy tried to kill himself with 13 inch kitchen knife a few years ago.

Why was this bozo even given a press pass? The NFL needs to use better judgment. Again, not that this excuses Culliver for his comments. He cooked his own goose. But media day should involve players, staff, coaches and reputable media members. Not troubled comedians.

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Posted: 01/31/2013 12:54 PM

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Artie Lange got a pass because he has a 'sports talk show' with fellow comedian Nick DiPaolo that is on SiriusXM and syndicated out to several stations around the country (it used to be on KNBR 1050 locally, but I think it was replaced at the start of this year).
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Posted: 01/31/2013 2:03 PM

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Every year there turns out to be one KNUCKLEHEAD, who says something monumentally stupid.  And this year it is Chris Culliver.  I am truly embarrassed for the guy to be this ignorant.

He took Joe Flacco off the hook, has put the PED chatter of Ray-Ray down a notch, and made Moss's G.O.A.T. claim second page news.

I can only hope he has an epiphany about his ignorant ways.  Really like him as a player.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 2:23 PM

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To Culliver's credit, he didn't just provide a terse apology, but took time to elucidate on why he said what he did and why he believes it was wrong. That at least shows that he has a solid support system around him (family, teammates, and organization) to guide him in the right direction. He spoke about how his mother reached out to him, a gay relative that he's close to reached out to him, and his teammates reached out to him and helped him realize how what he said was out of line. As Jed York said, though, it's his actions that will help define whether or not he learns from this.

I should note that those blaming his place of upbringing (North Carolina, and then the University of South Carolina) and making comments about how it's not surprising given where he comes from that he was so ignorant are, in reality, showing the same type of bigotry and ignorant bias that Culliver did when blasting gays.

Perhaps the best sound bite to come out of all this comes form Brandon Ayanbadejo, who had expressed strong support for same-sex marriage earlier this year and openly discussed why he felt that the NFL should do more to create an environment that was more accepting of gay players that may be closeted.


"You know, I think that in San Francisco, and being from the Bay Area myself, that's something that we really try to preach -- love and acceptance of everybody. And so I couldn't really even say anything negative to the young man. It's just one of those things where you have to live and you have to learn. And I said earlier on (a TV broadcast) -- in the words of Martin Luther King, you can't fight hate with hate. You have to fight hate with love. We've all made our mistakes, we've all been there and done certain things, and we've hurt people regardless if we meant to do it or not. But more than anything it's an opportunity to have a learning experience.

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So we just have to all learn from what happened, from this mistake. He apologized and hopefully he'll learn. And he's in the Bay Area, and it's really important there, it's pertinent there. So I think he's going to learn and he's going to grow to be a better person for it."

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/01/rav ens-lb-ayanbadejo-cullivers-anti-gay-comments-are- chance-for-learning-experience.html#storylink=cpy


Clearly, what he said was a huge mistake and, for a lesser organization, could be a really big distraction. As is, I don't think it will play into the game much. They handled it as well as they could, and the hope is that Culliver does take his apology to heart and becomes better for it.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 3:07 PM

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It's likely that Culliver doesn't actually have "hatred in his heart" (for want of a better expression)...a lot of young guys grow up in a culture in which these sorts of issues aren't really thought through, they're more flippant jokes to be tossed around lightly. I believe the Brits call what I'm talking about "lad culture"--a somewhat hyper-masculine, self-consciously "non-PC" attitude. It's best encapsulated by the use of "gay" as a somewhat light (to them) pejorative, i.e. "That's so gay."

While that is a form of homophobia (equating "gay" with a negative), not everyone who speaks in that manner is inimical to homosexuals. Many of them simply haven't considered the issue, haven't considered how it might hurt others, etc. It's easy to imagine that Culliver falls into such a group.

Obviously, I know nothing about Culliver as a person beyond this incident and his public response to it, but I think it is well within the realm of possibility that he's not a particularly bad guy and, as pudding put it, takes his remorse to heart and becomes a better person for it.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 4:39 PM

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I really wish Culliver had ended his apology by saying his words were ugly and he'll try to learn from this. Whenever I hear "that's not how I feel in my heart," it makes me sick. You meant what you said, so take your medicine, learn and grow from your mistake and install a filter between your brain and your mouth.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 4:48 PM

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If you read his transcript, you'll get a better context for what he meant. He's not the most eloquent guy, so it may come off as he was trying to deflect criticism, but he explained that it was something that was "in his head" but that it's not what's in his "heart." He went on to talk about how he has gay relatives, who reached out to him and essentially reminded him that he doesn't hate them and that he has to think about what he says.

It was a knee jerk response that he made that was wrong and definitely one that he will have to take responsibility for as he tries to move past this. But I think it was, as Minstrel notes, more of him taking the 'bait' of Artie Lange's tone and line of questioning and sort of acting like a 'lad' amongst lads. Doesn't make it right, but I can accept that, upon reflection, he understands deep down it was wrong and that it's not how he was raised or how he truly feels.

Ultimately, his actions from here on out will determine how he's remembered. I thought he was far more forthright and open about his thinking than Garrison Hearst had been long ago. Hearst had a far more terse response and completely avoided the topic after that.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 8:32 PM

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what really bothers me about this whole thing is that Artie Lang really baited Culliver during a very casual interview.

how does the NFL even allow a guy like Artie Lang a media crediential? what a joke.

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Posted: 01/31/2013 8:52 PM

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pudding wrote: If you read his transcript, 
Ain't nobody got time for that!
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Posted: 01/31/2013 10:00 PM

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NashvilleNiner wrote:

This is a non-issue really.  If he's not ok with gay people, thats his personal business.  I hope someone comes to him with some advice & education about the subject.  But this is completely different than say, the CEO of a large company espousing an anti-gay agenda or anti-gay climate throughout their organization.  I'm sure if you ask many players throughout the league, they'd say something similar; but hopefully, the attitude in the League will follow the growing attitude through the rest of the country of tolerance & acceptance...

Tend to agree.  Focus will not be an issue with Harbaugh leading the way. Was it dumb?  Yes.  Will it affect the outcome of the SB 47?  Doubt it.  Once those flash bulbs go off and someone smacks somebody, all is forgotten.  Homophobia, Deer antlers, etc, probably not in the forefront of player's minds.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 2:45 PM

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Stokes83 wrote: what really bothers me about this whole thing is that Artie Lang really baited Culliver during a very casual interview.

how does the NFL even allow a guy like Artie Lang a media credential? what a joke.
Yep, Artie Lange is really known for his "Gotcha" journalism.

I think it's absolutely hilarious that the only media guy who was able to get a player to say something remotely newsworthy was Artie Lange.

It really shows what a joke ESPN and mainstream sports media has become.
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