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Posted: 01/24/2013 9:39 AM

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With the SB still more than a week out, and just to help keep conversation going, I thought I would throw an idea out and see how the board felt about it. In reading that the Jets would or could potentially explore trade ideas for Revis it made me think. We can use an upgrade at the CB position and Revis would supply the type of talent that we have not had since dare I say Primecool I now he would be coming off of an ACL injury but is a risk worth taking. The Jets are in need of starting QB and we just so happen to have one of those available on our roster. I would say the 9ers should build a package around Smith and a draft pick or two (maybe a 3rd that could move up to a 2nd based on performance in 2014 and a 4th rd pick this draft)? The Jets get a starting QB to steady their offense and former Harbaugh protege in Smith who played under JH for the past 2 years, revitalized his career. We also know that this is a copycat league so Smith's value could potentially make the Jets look hard at this deal idea. Revis would help shore up a hole in the secondary as Rogers projected as a #1 CB last year but this year, not so much. How would the board feel about bringing Revis Island to Treasure Island?

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Posted: 01/24/2013 9:57 AM

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It's an enticing idea, but I'm not sure about the salary cap ramifications.  If Revis fully recovers from the ACL injury and is the same player he once was, he'd be looking to break the bank next year.  I don't know if the 49ers would be willing/able to sign him at $15million+ a year, so we could essentially be giving up Alex for a one-year rental (which would really bring back memories of Prime).
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Posted: 01/24/2013 10:26 AM

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That's very true. But do you think joining a team that is built to compete for SB births for the next several years, do you think that will bring down his price tag somewhat to maybe what his current salary is for the sake of being on a real contender being apart of a dominant defensive unit? Or do you think that Revis is just about betting his $$?
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Posted: 01/24/2013 10:32 AM

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I'm not convinced that the 49ers want a huge money lock-down cornerback. It seems to me that Fangio's schemes rarely rely on a corner to shadow his man all over the field in single coverage...he seems to make use of a lot of match-up zones, with corners often releasing their receivers to safeties or linebackers (the long touchdown to Julio Jones seemed to be a case of Brown releasing Jones deep, but the safety not thinking he had deep coverage and biting down on an underneath route).

Obviously, if the 49ers ended up with a great press-man corner, Fangio would probably adjust to take advantage of that, but I'm not sure they'd seek one out at high cost, when they could allocate the dollars elsewhere.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 11:37 AM

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This trade would leave the 49ers with similar issues in terms of salary cuts/decisions they need to  make. If they didn't have those concerns they might not be so eager to trade Smith (at least immediately), because they'd have more leverage in any possible deal. But clearing cap room so they can potentially re-sign players and have enough for their draft class are both very real issues that Maraathe and Baalke have to consider as April 1st (actually March 22nd) approaches.

Would you take Revis at CB over Goldson at FS? Especially with Revis coming off ACL surgery? I don't know that I would.

I think a CB like Revis would be welcome in the scheme, as it would give a lot more flexibility for Fangio to game plan for specific matchups knowing that he could blanket a player with his press cover corner. But I think, if they acquire such a player, they would do so via the draft  and develop them.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 11:52 AM

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drama wrote: That's very true. But do you think joining a team that is built to compete for SB births for the next several years, do you think that will bring down his price tag somewhat to maybe what his current salary is for the sake of being on a real contender being apart of a dominant defensive unit? Or do you think that Revis is just about betting his $$?

Is Revis all about the money? Yes, yes he is.  He held out as a rookie, which is not uncommon, has held out once before on a SB contending Jet team, and is now threatening to hold out again (if he didn't get hurt I'd bet anything he'd be holding out next season).  This guy is all about the money and nothing else. 

He's an alltime corner back though, there's no denying that.  I just don't see how he fits for more than the one year (I believe next year he's at 6 mil).
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Posted: 01/24/2013 12:03 PM

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I say no also, acl injuries are tough to overcome and most of them takes a full year to fully recover while some guys never regain form.  I have trust in Balke and the recruitment team to find us a future star in the draft or maybe Culliver will turn into the next great CB. noidea

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Posted: 01/24/2013 1:41 PM

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So I can see that the consensus is past on Revis. I have to admit, I posted this without realizing that he would have such crazy contract demands. After reading some of the post, it did remind me that he wanted more money once the guy from Oakland (he shall remain nameless as IMO he dissed the 9ers a couple of off seasons ago, thinking that Philly would be a better teamohlord) signed his new deal a few years ago with Oakland because he felt he should be the highest paid DB. I forgot about that onenoideaThe Atlanta game as a fan had me nervous, as the DB's were on the wrong side of highlight reels.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 2:37 PM

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quick thought:

The niners really have to get their own salary cap house in order, never mind picking up another team's high priced player.  The thing is, this coming offseason is going to be relatively mild, with Sopo and Goldson up, and Walker is almost certainly going someplace else.  Summer 2014 is a bit of a different story, with Akers, Whitner, Justin Smith (the big decision, IMHO), Goodwin (IMHO, won't be resigned, have to find out what you've got in Kilgore), and Mannigham all coming off the books.  Smith could be pricey, and it depends of what kind of a contract he wants, and for how many years, but I still think the cowboy has some good years left.  Whitner has blossomed with the 49ers, and is probably the next most likely to return, followed by Mannigham.  I think Akers and Goodwin will be replace, and I think the 49ers might look to draft a K this year or next. 

The thing about 2014 is that, while messy, it is at least manageable.  The real issue is 2015 (I know, looking two years down the line renders any observation completely irrelevant, but please, bear with me) when it seems like every good young player the niners have is a FA.  Hunter is a FA, CK, Gore, Miller, Anthony Davis, Iupati, Crabtree, Aldon Smith, and Culliver.  I also know that it is impossible to keep everyone together, nor is it desirable (Minstrel said that), but man, that's a lot of talent that's up for a new deal in one offseason.  The niners are going to have to make some painful choice, who is the straw that stirs their drink?  Who can they absolutely not afford to lose? 

The niners have reached a point where, IMHO, bringing in someone, and paying them a ton of $$$ on a long term deal, even for the greatest corner of his generation, makes little sense.  The physics of the salary cap are already starting to tighten like a noose, there's no need to give the victim an anvil to speed up the process (I know that analogy made no sense, but it sounded cooler in my head than it did when I typed it out and read it.). 

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Posted: 01/24/2013 2:48 PM

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soda wrote:

quick thought:

The niners really have to get their own salary cap house in order, never mind picking up another team's high priced player.  The thing is, this coming offseason is going to be relatively mild, with Sopo and Goldson up, and Walker is almost certainly going someplace else.  Summer 2014 is a bit of a different story, with Akers, Whitner, Justin Smith (the big decision, IMHO), Goodwin (IMHO, won't be resigned, have to find out what you've got in Kilgore), and Mannigham all coming off the books.  Smith could be pricey, and it depends of what kind of a contract he wants, and for how many years, but I still think the cowboy has some good years left.  Whitner has blossomed with the 49ers, and is probably the next most likely to return, followed by Mannigham.  I think Akers and Goodwin will be replace, and I think the 49ers might look to draft a K this year or next. 

The thing about 2014 is that, while messy, it is at least manageable.  The real issue is 2015 (I know, looking two years down the line renders any observation completely irrelevant, but please, bear with me) when it seems like every good young player the niners have is a FA.  Hunter is a FA, CK, Gore, Miller, Anthony Davis, Iupati, Crabtree, Aldon Smith, and Culliver.  I also know that it is impossible to keep everyone together, nor is it desirable (Minstrel said that), but man, that's a lot of talent that's up for a new deal in one offseason.  The niners are going to have to make some painful choice, who is the straw that stirs their drink?  Who can they absolutely not afford to lose? 

The niners have reached a point where, IMHO, bringing in someone, and paying them a ton of $$$ on a long term deal, even for the greatest corner of his generation, makes little sense.  The physics of the salary cap are already starting to tighten like a noose, there's no need to give the victim an anvil to speed up the process (I know that analogy made no sense, but it sounded cooler in my head than it did when I typed it out and read it.). 

2015, the niners will know if Hunter is right after his achilles rupture.  I hate to say this but Gore will be 32 and probably will not be in high demand or have the leverage for a big contract.  Miller as a FB is the most replaceable of the 2015 class.  That leaves 6 big names, some of who most likely will be extended before 2015.  That will be a challenge for sure because I'm sure the 9ers want to retain as much of this core as possible.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 3:29 PM

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I would not be surprised to see the 49ers start negotiating some of the 2015 'class' next year. Bowman was a 2014 class (he had a 4 year rookie contract), but signed his extension before the end of this year (his 3rd year). Kaepernick, being a 2nd round pick, would seem to be in line for an early extension, which would help Maraathe and Baalke stagger some of the bonuses they'll have to give out to sign back this young core.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 3:33 PM

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Simply:


"NO"!


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Posted: 01/24/2013 3:39 PM

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pudding wrote: I would not be surprised to see the 49ers start negotiating some of the 2015 'class' next year. Bowman was a 2014 class (he had a 4 year rookie contract), but signed his extension before the end of this year (his 3rd year). Kaepernick, being a 2nd round pick, would seem to be in line for an early extension, which would help Maraathe and Baalke stagger some of the bonuses they'll have to give out to sign back this young core.
agree with you i don't see the players that baalke and harbaugh want to keep making it to fa
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Posted: 01/24/2013 3:56 PM

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no thanks. mostly because of the salary. we are going to be hard up against the cap to keep our own players. adding a pricey CB only makes this worse. i'm quite happy drafting and developing our own CBs. we have 3 very solid ones IMO with culliver having even more upside for years to come. we can't afford to sink the kind of money into revis that he'd cost.

and as history has shown, high priced acquisitions more often than not...FAIL! no thanks. we just made the superbowl with our current roster and with a ton of draft picks i think it makes way more sense to draft more talent and not throw money around willy-nilly.

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Posted: 01/24/2013 4:18 PM

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soda wrote:

The thing about 2014 is that, while messy, it is at least manageable.  The real issue is 2015 (I know, looking two years down the line renders any observation completely irrelevant, but please, bear with me) when it seems like every good young player the niners have is a FA.  Hunter is a FA, CK, Gore, Miller, Anthony Davis, Iupati, Crabtree, Aldon Smith, and Culliver.  I also know that it is impossible to keep everyone together, nor is it desirable (Minstrel said that), but man, that's a lot of talent that's up for a new deal in one offseason.  The niners are going to have to make some painful choice, who is the straw that stirs their drink?  Who can they absolutely not afford to lose? 

I think extending Davis and Iupati has to be a high priority and I predict it will happen sooner rather than later.  We'll see how Hunter comes back from that injury and how Gore performs into his early 30's, but RB is a commodity position so that could be a spot for some tough cuts.  Miller could be vulnerable for the same reason.  I think either Aldon or Crabtree will be a prime candidate to get franchised.  They may want to take a season-long look at Kaep before deciding what to do with him, but right now he sure looks like he's in line for a huge pay day. You're right, it's going to be tough.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 4:20 PM

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After sustaining an injury like that you can BET the guy is going to look for a huge paycheck if he can play at or around the same level as he did pre-injury.  NFL players careers arent a very long one and Revis surely knows this.  At the end of the day, it really is all about the money for most players.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 4:27 PM

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the thing is soda, we have a ton of picks to start drafting future talent to replace possible FA losses.

that being said, we are perhaps THE MOST aggressive team in negotiating longterm contracts with our own guys before they hit FA. so while 2015 looks to be a year we lose a number of valuable guys, it's quite possible we will have locked a number of them in before we even get to 2015. don't think for a minute that our FO is not aware of the key guys we need to lock up.

a lot of people thought we had to pick either davis or willis and as it worked out then, we were able to lock them both in in back to back years i believe. i realize you're mentioning a lot more than just 2 key guys. but my point is that we stand a good chance to keep many more than we will lose simply because of how we approach such negotiations.

all we can do is continue to be proactive in these extensions which likely saves a lot of money and more room for other guys, AND we can continue to draft well to fill future potential departures.

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Posted: 01/25/2013 1:19 AM

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I did give it a thought but agree with the others, not in the best interest of the team.

After watching the aftermath of the Namdi Asomugha signing in Philadelphia, I am super happy the Niners didn't sign him for 10 million+.  Okay, not sure about the salary but it was pretty high.  I had visions of Asomugha & Patrick Peterson as a CB tandem.
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Posted: 01/25/2013 11:23 AM

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Apparently the 9ers are one of the teams with reported interest.

The Green Bay Packers, Denver Broncos, San Francisco 49ers and Seattle Seahawks are teams that are believed to be highly interested in acquiring Darrelle Revis via trade.

The New England Patriots and Buffalo Bills are also interested, but the Jets are not expected to trade Revis within their division.

The Packers have been constantly mentioned as an interested party in Revis across all sources.



Read more: http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/30 199/20130125/packers_broncos_49ers_seahawks_intere sted_in_revis/#ixzz2J16XkAr0
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Posted: 01/25/2013 11:39 AM

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The only way I could see the 49ers being interested is if it were as a one-year rental. If everyone, Jets included, agreed that nobody was going to give Revis a huge extension without seeing him return from his knee injury and that his trade value was, therefore, just for one year of (a possibly less effective) Revis...then it might make sense.

Even then, it seems like the 49ers would have to work pretty hard to get Revis' 2013 salary into their cap structure.

But, from reports, it sounds like the Jets are putting a very high price on him (a first- and second-round pick).
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