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Posted: 01/22/2013 8:55 AM

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Simple discussion on keys to winning SB 47

1. Protect Kaepernick, I know his ability to run is far greater than Alex Smith, but we can't have him sacked 9 times like on Thanksgiving last year...This is most important IMO

2. Control the Line of scrimmage on defense, this includes pressuring Flacco and slowing Ray Rice

3. Control Ngata, if we control Ngata we should be able to run the ball with greater success and control the clock

4. BE PHYSICAL, The Ravens have played 3 playoff games every team they have faced is a finesse team and really the only physical defense they played all year was Pittsburgh...if we get physical on offense and defense we will dominate

5. Be sound on kick and punt coverage, Jacoby Jones is the most dangerous return man in football this year with 3 return tds getting him on the ground is key
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:04 AM

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I see two similar, tough teams and it should be a close game either way.  What I think will separate them (at least I hope so) are two things. 

One, the Ravens are a seasoned bunch who have won playoff games for 5 straight years and are led by a group of guys desparate to win it all before riding off into the sunset.  And while the 49ers have some experience, I don't think they are quite as battle tested as the Ravens, who were galvanized by that gut wrenching loss to the Patriots last year.

Two, they have a very experienced quarterback who doesn't seem to let anything bother him.  While Kaepernick has been impressive and did a great job after getting down by 20 early, he still only has 9 games under his belt and you don't know how the bright lights of the superbowl will affect him.

I think this gives the slight advantage that they need to pull this thing off.  Of course, I am a homer, so you have to take that into consideration.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:18 AM

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You could say the same about us being galvanized by the loss to the Giants, personally I think though Flacco does have the edge of being a veteran, he has been really inconsistent over the years either you get the Flacco of the last to games or you get the Flacco with the 2 worst QBR ratings ever...Kaepernick though young and relatively inexperienced has been more consistent winning in New England, New Orleans, Atlanta and his ability to come back after a disaster is most impressive. Flacco will crack if SF goes up by 20, Kaepernick will not. In the end, the youth, speed and physicality SF has on both sides of the ball will wear the experience right out of the Ravens and emotion only gets you so far so Ray Lewis can cry all he wants to, but at some point the rest of that team needs to stop caring about Ray Lewis and start thinking this is MY chance
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:20 AM

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rantnrav wrote: And while the 49ers have some experience, I don't think they are quite as battle tested as the Ravens, who were galvanized by that gut wrenching loss to the Patriots last year.

Two, they have a very experienced quarterback who doesn't seem to let anything bother him.  While Kaepernick has been impressive and did a great job after getting down by 20 early, he still only has 9 games under his belt and you don't know how the bright lights of the superbowl will affect him.

I'd be a little wary of psychological reasoning (not because psychology is irrelevant, but because we don't really know the people involved and it's too easy to fall back on cliches), but I'm not sure why these would be uniquely in favor of the Ravens.

Why wouldn't the 49ers be "galvanized" by the gut-wrenching loss to the Giants in overtime last year?

While Kaepernick isn't as experienced as Flacco, it's hard to argue against the idea that he doesn't let anything bother him. Beyond coming back from 17 down on the road in a loud dome, he also came back from throwing an interception returned for a touchdown to eviscerate the Packers in his first playoff game. At this point, while it's always possible for any quarterback to struggle in a given game, I think it's safe to say that Kaepernick isn't going to be rattled, even if he or the 49ers face early adversity.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:28 AM

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BTW Rantnrav, the Ravens have also lost playoff games 5 years in a row until this one, most of them being tough losses, Minstrel is right its all about the talent on the field and not making mistakes
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:40 AM

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To my knowledge the Ravens only have 2 players who have ever been to a Super Bowl Ray Lewis and Anquan Boldin, I might be missing a player or two, but my point is experience is not a huge factor, the Super Bowl is a different animal, Conference championships are meek in comparison...btw the 9ers also have 2 players in Randy Moss and Akers
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Posted: 01/22/2013 11:22 AM

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All good points but we will see. 

My point about last year's championship game is that it has traditionally hurt most teams but that game did something to the Ravens.  Ray Lewis, just after that game, gave one of the most incredible speaches ever to his team.  To a man, they all bought into the idea that it wasn't their time and that it was meant only to make them stronger and ready for it this year.  Through all the adversity from this year (Webb going down, Suggs multiple injuries, Ray's injury, change in offensive coordinator, losing streak, etc) they never wavered from saying to themselves and to us fans that they were on target and ready to go to the super bowl this year.  They really believe that they can't be beat in the playoffs and that is an incredible thing to overcome for any team playing them.

If any team can overcome that, it is the 49ers.  They are a great team built out of the Ravens mold.  It should be a good one.  Both teams will knock the snot out of the other and both teams will try to will themselves on the other team.  Let's face it, it is no accident that we both got to this place.  These are the best two teams and the winner will have to work for every inch of field.

Good luck.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 11:37 AM

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All Ray Lewis does is give speeches and set the Guiness World Record for saying God the most times in 1 minute...he is turning into Reggie White except Reggie White was the real deal Ray is a phony. Someone with that strong of a relationship with god doesn't lie to investigators and commit adultery having 6 kids with 4 different women, We have 2 middle linebackers better than him and 1 who will make people forget him as the greatest mlb ever. This Super Bowl for Willis will be what SB34 was for Lewis...No ride off into the sunset for Ray, he will ride off like John Wayne in Shane...dead on his horse.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 11:55 AM

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sorry- nothing is going to rattle kaepernick. this kid started with the pressure of his first playoff game with a pick 6.....and bounced back to have one of the most impressive performances by a QB in nfl history. not to mention nfl playoff debuts....

plus he came back and won ON THE ROAD in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP in one of the loudest stadiums in the nfl. he was down 17 and overcame that- an nfc record and never looked fazed by the bright lights. that pressure didn't get to him at all and neither will the SB. he has a fierce and focussed determination. it's who he is.

he had never played even in a bcs bowl game before but yet it's clear this kid is programed this way- ice in his veins.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 12:02 PM

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Not built out of raven's mold. Sorry. Luckily the 9ers should have something to say about Ray riding off with another ring. Niners D hasn't shown up with their full brutality yet in the playoffs but it's coming soon. The best 52 right now is wearing red and gold. Last year's NFC loss really hampered SF this year so that is a good point. Ray's act is getting a little tedious.... you're retiring, got it. No, seriously, we know you're retiring. Luckily the Niners have had no injuries that they have had to overcome except their #2 (Manningham) and #3 WR/KR (Williams) a #2 RB who had fairly big role in their offense (Hunter), and Justin Smith for three games which almost cost them a home playoff game. The only one they have back is Smith, luckily. Violent game, everyone has injuries.
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All good points but we will see. 

My point about last year's championship game is that it has traditionally hurt most teams but that game did something to the Ravens.  Ray Lewis, just after that game, gave one of the most incredible speaches ever to his team.  To a man, they all bought into the idea that it wasn't their time and that it was meant only to make them stronger and ready for it this year.  Through all the adversity from this year (Webb going down, Suggs multiple injuries, Ray's injury, change in offensive coordinator, losing streak, etc) they never wavered from saying to themselves and to us fans that they were on target and ready to go to the super bowl this year.  They really believe that they can't be beat in the playoffs and that is an incredible thing to overcome for any team playing them.

If any team can overcome that, it is the 49ers.  They are a great team built out of the Ravens mold.  It should be a good one.  Both teams will knock the snot out of the other and both teams will try to will themselves on the other team.  Let's face it, it is no accident that we both got to this place.  These are the best two teams and the winner will have to work for every inch of field.

Good luck.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 12:56 PM

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On points 1 and 3, I think it's worth noting that neither Suggs nor Ngata has looked nearly as dominant this season as they were on Thanksgiving or throughout their careers.  Suggs had a big game against Denver, but other than that, hasn't been much of a factor since returning from his devastating injury. I think Ngata has battled injuries this year as well, but either way he hasn't been the force that he had been.

Given that, along with Kaepernick's mobility and the vast improvement from last year on the right side of our OL (Boone being a huge upgrade and Davis being, in my opinion, among the most improved players in all of football year-over-year), the Ravens should not approach anything near 9 sacks.  I would be surprised if they even hit a third of that number.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 12:58 PM

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Just a reminder.. let's keep this on football. The talk here is bordering on smack, which should be moved to the smack shack. wink


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I don't have a problem with Ray Lewis or his 'retirement' tour. I don't think he's been anything other than his normal, exuberant, passionate self. A little more emotional than normal, but otherwise, the same, animated Ray.

To me, the key to the game will be a combination of controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and the in-game and halftime adjustments that will inevitably be needed. The Ravens and the 49ers both made adjustments on defense at halftime that slowed down their opponents offenses, and that was huge. Shutting out the Falcons and Patriots, respectively, for a half was the difference in those games.

I do think the Ravens 'story' sort of fits the classic "team with momentum" and "team with a cause" storyline that national writers/reporters love to pick up on. I don't think it gives the Ravens any advantage, though. Not against this 49ers team and their makeup. All year, the 49ers have displayed uncommon unity and commitment to playing as a 'team,' so I don't think they will be distracted by the stories. In fact, while they are favroites in the betting lines, all the Ray Lewis story attention, etc. is sort of making the 49ers public underdogs. It's giving them their own motivation, and Jim Harbaugh has proven to be a master of taking the smallest things and making them into something worth fighting for during his 49er tenure.


Looking forward to this game, and I'm sure all the media covering it are enjoying the fact that there are so many angles from which to approach it.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 1:30 PM

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To uncleloggins point, the injuries sustained were not too bad, Smith gets 2 weeks of rest, but will probably have surgery after the game and due to the extended halftime period in the Super Bowl may be playing in a substantial amount of pain in the 2nd half, Hunter was a big loss at the time but Lamichael James has stepped up and added a nice element of speed, the real big loss was Manningham and Williams, 2 real quality wrs, that loss can be lessened by Vernon Davis having the kind of game he had last week and Randy Moss I feel might go old school Randy in this one as its really his last chance at a ring. To add a note, Ted Ginn had the biggest play of the game against B'More last year but was called back by penalty.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 6:31 PM

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keep T. Smith in front of the secondary(flacco throws great deep)and control the line on both sides of the ball. simple
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Posted: 01/22/2013 7:04 PM

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I don't think peopel should underrate this Ravens offense. They are a complete team and are in the Super Bowl for a reason. Honestly, they should have been there last year as well.

This is going to be the toughest game all year by far. I think the defense is going to have to make a big play which mean a pick six or a turnover in Raven territory. I have faith in Kaep. I think he is going to have a really good game but to win this game against this team its going to take a TOTAL TEAM EFFORT.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 7:12 PM

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thethe wrote: I don't think peopel should underrate this Ravens offense. They are a complete team and are in the Super Bowl for a reason. Honestly, they should have been there last year as well.

This is going to be the toughest game all year by far. I think the defense is going to have to make a big play which mean a pick six or a turnover in Raven territory. I have faith in Kaep. I think he is going to have a really good game but to win this game against this team its going to take a TOTAL TEAM EFFORT.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 8:58 PM

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I have been a season ticket holder of the Ravens since 1998 and I can attest to the fact they are peaking in a way not seen since the 2000 SB win. 

Offensively, the Ravens have two guys who can get deep fast in Torrey and Jacoby.  Torrey has lit up the best DB's as seen in his smoking of Champ Baily half a dozen times two weeks ago.  Jacoby doesn't have quite the hands that Torrey has but you better not let him get behind you as we saw in Denver.  The Ravens have two guys that are tough as nails in Boldin and Pitta who work the underneath zones as effective as any tandem I have seen recently.  So essentially you need to play a Cover 2 deep and 5 man zone underneath or else you get chewed up like N.E. did.  On top of those receivers, the Ravens have Ray Rice who is really showing his strength getting open out of the backfield and turning small gains into big runs.  The Ravens also Bernard Pierce who has really come on in the past 6 weeks or so who is  a big physical guy who runs downhill incredibly well with high knees and seems to almost always beat outside contain.  Our offensive line has almost been impenetrable in the playoffs since we brought KcKinnie back in.  Guards Yanda and Osemele are monsters.  Flacco has been nearly perfect in the past 4 games minus the bengals game which he didn't play much. 

The Broncos had the number 2 defense in the NFL and the Ravens put up 38 points.  N.E. is a soft team so I not going to say much about them on defense.  To stop the Ravens, you have to play 2 deep or else you get beat deep like Denver did AND you have to put 5 in zone underneath or else you get beat like N.N did.  However S.F. plays defense, the Ravens WILL have a strength to exploit.  Jacoby, Torrey, Boldin, Pitta, Rice, Pierce and Flacco are some serious offensive talent which is bolstered by an offensive line that has let Flacco get touched about three times in the playoffs.  These guys are smoking defenses right now.  49ers have a top defense so it will be a good test.

On defense, lookout for Ed Reed.  Reed hasn't been so effective in terms of interceptions the past several seasons because of age and playing against really good QB's who have learned how to avoid him and not fall prey to his baiting.  I think C.K. because of lack of experience will throw a pick or two to Ed which will make a difference.  Watch for Ed Reed baiting C.K.

Special teams.  Do you guys trust Akers in a Super Bowl?  Man, I wouldn't.  This game might come down to kickers and Akers is shaky.  Dang, you had Cundiff in camp last week. 

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Posted: 01/22/2013 9:34 PM

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I have been a season ticket holder of the Ravens since 1998 and I can attest to the fact they are peaking in a way not seen since the 2000 SB win. 

Offensively, the Ravens have two guys who can get deep fast in Torrey and Jacoby.  Torrey has lit up the best DB's as seen in his smoking of Champ Baily half a dozen times two weeks ago.  Jacoby doesn't have quite the hands that Torrey has but you better not let him get behind you as we saw in Denver.  The Ravens have two guys that are tough as nails in Boldin and Pitta who work the underneath zones as effective as any tandem I have seen recently.  So essentially you need to play a Cover 2 deep and 5 man zone underneath or else you get chewed up like N.E. did.  On top of those receivers, the Ravens have Ray Rice who is really showing his strength getting open out of the backfield and turning small gains into big runs.  The Ravens also Bernard Pierce who has really come on in the past 6 weeks or so who is  a big physical guy who runs downhill incredibly well with high knees and seems to almost always beat outside contain.  Our offensive line has almost been impenetrable in the playoffs since we brought KcKinnie back in.  Guards Yanda and Osemele are monsters.  Flacco has been nearly perfect in the past 4 games minus the bengals game which he didn't play much. 

The Broncos had the number 2 defense in the NFL and the Ravens put up 38 points.  N.E. is a soft team so I not going to say much about them on defense.  To stop the Ravens, you have to play 2 deep or else you get beat deep like Denver did AND you have to put 5 in zone underneath or else you get beat like N.N did.  However S.F. plays defense, the Ravens WILL have a strength to exploit.  Jacoby, Torrey, Boldin, Pitta, Rice, Pierce and Flacco are some serious offensive talent which is bolstered by an offensive line that has let Flacco get touched about three times in the playoffs.  These guys are smoking defenses right now.  49ers have a top defense so it will be a good test.

On defense, lookout for Ed Reed.  Reed hasn't been so effective in terms of interceptions the past several seasons because of age and playing against really good QB's who have learned how to avoid him and not fall prey to his baiting.  I think C.K. because of lack of experience will throw a pick or two to Ed which will make a difference.  Watch for Ed Reed baiting C.K.

Special teams.  Do you guys trust Akers in a Super Bowl?  Man, I wouldn't.  This game might come down to kickers and Akers is shaky.  Dang, you had Cundiff in camp last week. 

Yep, saw that catch Torrey Smith made over Champ Bailey for the TD I believe.  It was one of those catches you utter to yourself, "That is a professional catch!"

Ravens may be peaking but CK is getting into a groove as well.  The Ravens should be looking out for Dashon Goldson, the Niners' FS.  He may be looking to "One up" Ed Reed.  

It wasn't long ago these two teams played each other and perhaps both teams are even better now.  We are looking at two "Bullet" trains going head on at 170 mph!  I feel both teams are evenly matched in every faucet of the game, well besides place kicker.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:25 PM

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GalenSevinne wrote:

To stop the Ravens, you have to play 2 deep or else you get beat deep like Denver did AND you have to put 5 in zone underneath or else you get beat like N.N did. 


The 49ers have two of the best coverage linebackers in football in Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman, and Ahmad Brooks is pretty solid in coverage too. The 49ers are capable of playing two deep (which they often did against Green Bay and Detroit at the start of the season) and still handling coverage in the middle of the field...New England already had coverage issues before losing Talib and Chung to injuries, so exploiting the middle against them was a different, and easier, proposition.

That isn't to say the 49ers will shut down the Ravens' offense...I don't expect them to. But I think the 49ers have a solid chance of doing what they did to Green Bay, Detroit and New Orleans: eliminate the deep plays, clog the intermediate zones and force constant check-downs. If the other team is able to put together 14-play drives without failing on a third down, then you tip your hat. wink The 49ers have played quite a few offenses that can attack different parts of the field and they've been one of the best at preventing drives into the red zone.

My main concern is that if the 49ers' can't get any significant pressure, the coverage won't hold up indefinitely. The 49ers' pass rush has been better than their sack numbers; they've had significantly more pressures and Rodgers and Ryan have also used a lot of quick, short passes to neutralize the pass rush further. But it hasn't been great by any means. If they struggle in the Super Bowl, it'll be a problem.

Posted: 01/23/2013 4:25 AM

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Not built out of raven's mold. Sorry. Luckily the 9ers should have something to say about Ray riding off with another ring. Niners D hasn't shown up with their full brutality yet in the playoffs but it's coming soon. The best 52 right now is wearing red and gold. Last year's NFC loss really hampered SF this year so that is a good point. Ray's act is getting a little tedious.... you're retiring, got it. No, seriously, we know you're retiring. Luckily the Niners have had no injuries that they have had to overcome except their #2 (Manningham) and #3 WR/KR (Williams) a #2 RB who had fairly big role in their offense (Hunter), and Justin Smith for three games which almost cost them a home playoff game. The only one they have back is Smith, luckily. Violent game, everyone has injuries.
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All good points but we will see. 

My point about last year's championship game is that it has traditionally hurt most teams but that game did something to the Ravens.  Ray Lewis, just after that game, gave one of the most incredible speaches ever to his team.  To a man, they all bought into the idea that it wasn't their time and that it was meant only to make them stronger and ready for it this year.  Through all the adversity from this year (Webb going down, Suggs multiple injuries, Ray's injury, change in offensive coordinator, losing streak, etc) they never wavered from saying to themselves and to us fans that they were on target and ready to go to the super bowl this year.  They really believe that they can't be beat in the playoffs and that is an incredible thing to overcome for any team playing them.

If any team can overcome that, it is the 49ers.  They are a great team built out of the Ravens mold.  It should be a good one.  Both teams will knock the snot out of the other and both teams will try to will themselves on the other team.  Let's face it, it is no accident that we both got to this place.  These are the best two teams and the winner will have to work for every inch of field.

Good luck.

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I don't mean to turn this into a discussion about who overcame more, but you can hardly compare the injuries of the two teams. 

We are talking about Suggs, the defensive player of the year rupturing his achilles and then tearing his bicep.  He probably shouldn't be playing and is maybe 50%. 

You are talking about Webb, one of the best up and coming corners in the league and quite possibly the second or third best defensive player on the Ravens, going out with an ACL after a few weeks.  Then our third corner (second after Webb went down), Smith, goes out with hernia and missing much of the year.  He is only now getting back to full strength.

You are talking about Ngata, who many believe is the best interier lineman in football, playing on an MCL and a bum shoulder who definately is not himself.  You are talking about an all-everything safety who is severly limited in his tackling ability due to his neck issues. 

McClain, starting linebacker?  Gone.  Add on several missed games by Ellerbe who is Ray's backup and still playing with a bad ankle and taking McClain's spot.  Then, of course, you are talking about Ray Lewis.  Gone for many weeks and now playing with a torn tricep when everyone said he would be gone for the season.  Heck, at one point in the season we had the backup to the backup to the backup playing middle linebacker and calling out the plays.

And people wonder why our defense had slipped.  When teams get these types of injuries, most are done for the season, much like the Steelers.  These weren't some second and third wide receivers who are replaceable, these are, for the most part, pro-bowl caliber players.  You can't just replace those.  Though not playing at 100%, these guys are playing their hearts out on one leg, one arm, whatever.  And the defense is starting to resember past glory years once again.
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