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Posted: 01/21/2013 8:40 AM

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First off I wanna say I was so happy yesterday after the game I was speechless, I've been a Niner 4 Life since 1985. My reaction yesterday was funny to me, because when I was a kid I was so used to the Niners going to Super Bowls it was like breathing...but anyway

It is so nice to see the balance on this team for so long atleast the last 5-6 years we have been a team with a good to great defense and a offense that sputtered along, I think the last time I saw the offense tuned up and firing like this was 1994. We are so dynamic, fast, diverse on offense its unbelievable to think where this can go if we get a Mike Wallace or someone to upgrade Randy from Rand's spot. Our defense is fine except yesterday brought to light how badly we need atleast 1 shutdown corner as Julio Jones did what he wanted against T Brown. The only other weak spot is AKERS, If we lose SB because of him I'll personally kill him, hopefully if doesn't come down to him. LETS GO 9ERS! If we win this one we can sell t-shirts that say SAN FRANSIXCO to thumb our noses at Steeler fans
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Posted: 01/21/2013 9:32 AM

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i love the balance and versatility too.

as for wallace- completely unrealistic i'm sorry to say. he would cost a bundle of cash which we can't afford. it's far more important we use cap room to lock up key players on the roster.

not to mention, with c-tree as our #1 target, davis as #2, manningham and williams coming back with a young developing jenkins in the mix......i see no room for a big money '#1' WR. there already aren't enough balls to spread around to those guys i mentioned. i think we have enough weapons particularly with an emerging ELITE qb like CK.

i could see us adding a young WR particularly if moss is gone. but we can't allocate the big FA money to the position someone like wallace would cost. not to mention it wouldn't be a wise use of that money either, IMO, since they would not be used as much as he would cost.

JMO of course....

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 01/21/2013 9:41 AM

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I basically agree that wide receiver is probably not the right place to spend a huge amount of money this off-season, but I'm not so sure we're set at that position. Manningham and Williams may not be back til midseason (and we can't be totally sure that they'll be at 100% at any point next season). Jenkins I haven't written off, but we still can't assume that he'll be a contributor. While rookie wide receivers often struggle, it was a little strange to see him get so little chance, even after the team lost two wide receivers. It may be that he's just not ready this year but still has a ton of potential in future years...it's just not the most comforting sign.

I'd like to see the 49ers address the position with a smart buy (I thought Manningham at the tail end of free agency qualified as a smart buy) and/or a draft pick if they see one they like.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 10:17 AM

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manningham is entering his final year, ginn will probably be gone and moss could be gone too although we seem to want him back. so there's no doubt i'm all for adding another WR. a capable vet who is willing to take a small role makes perfect sense. but i'm thinking it is more likely to be a draftee; a vet won't likely want to come in as a the possible #4 or lower WR once williams and manningham are healthy- which nowadays could be sooner than we might suspect.

i think after a full offseason in our program, jenkins will rise a bit and at least a rookie would be more content sitting low on the depth chart while they learn the ropes.

c-tree
manningham (how soon can he be back)
williams (ditto)
moss?
jenkins
draftee
draftee?

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 01/21/2013 10:53 AM

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higherwarrior wrote: manningham is entering his final year, ginn will probably be gone and moss could be gone too although we seem to want him back. so there's no doubt i'm all for adding another WR. a capable vet who is willing to take a small role makes perfect sense. but i'm thinking it is more likely to be a draftee; a vet won't likely want to come in as a the possible #4 or lower WR once williams and manningham are healthy- which nowadays could be sooner than we might suspect.

i think after a full offseason in our program, jenkins will rise a bit and at least a rookie would be more content sitting low on the depth chart while they learn the ropes.

c-tree
manningham (how soon can he be back)
williams (ditto)
moss?
jenkins
draftee
draftee?
I think we need to add another free agent, because like you said, who knows when Manningham and Williams will return,  and who knows if Jenkins will become productive. IMO a name to keep an eye on is Mohamed Massaquoi, he probably won't be too expensive and he has talent. I also hope Moss comes back given that he has done everything asked of him and he's helping the team.

My two favorite teams are the 49ers and whoever is playing Seattle.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 11:12 AM

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If I'm not mistaken, another FA WR to consider is Devery Henderson. I believe he is a FA and could b pretty cheap. All this WR talk is obviously predicated on recovery time for Manningham and Williams, as well as Jenkins ability to catch on. Based on the severity of their injuries, both guys are probably back later rather than sooner, especially in Manninghams case...that was pretty gruesome.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 12:18 PM

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It all depends on when we can expect Manningham and Williams back. If healthy, I love Crabtree, Manningham, and Kyle as our top 3. Has anyone heard a projected recovery time for them?

Also with Manningham in his final year, I think we'll be drafting another WR. Hopefully Jenkins contributes next year.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 12:26 PM

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I think it's worth noting that Kaepernick's performance is especially impressive considering that he is missing two of his top three wide receivers. Crabtree's huge emergence has mitigated that to a surprisingly large extent, and Vernon Davis has proven he's still around as a major threat, but it's still a quite depleted receiving corps. Imagine how this offense might look right now with both Manningham and Williams fully healthy.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 12:40 PM

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How many times during that game did everyone admit that the Falcons made a damn good trade to move up for Julio Jones? I thought it was insane to give up so much for a WR...but boy did that game change my mind. He's a special player.
Minstrel wrote: I think it's worth noting that Kaepernick's performance is especially impressive considering that he is missing two of his top three wide receivers. Crabtree's huge emergence has mitigated that to a surprisingly large extent, and Vernon Davis has proven he's still around as a major threat, but it's still a quite depleted receiving corps. Imagine how this offense might look right now with both Manningham and Williams fully healthy.

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Posted: 01/21/2013 6:03 PM

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NinerNation07 wrote: How many times during that game did everyone admit that the Falcons made a damn good trade to move up for Julio Jones? I thought it was insane to give up so much for a WR...but boy did that game change my mind. He's a special player.
Jones is an incredible WR, but I still say they gave up too much to get him. They traded away two 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and two 4th round picks.

Here's the value assigned to each of those picks

Atlanta
6=1,600

Cleveland
22 (2012)=780
27 (2011)=680
59 (2011)=310
118 (2012)=58
124 (2011)=48
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              1,876

What if they would have kept their picks and drafted Torrey Smith, who went in round 2, and then still had a 2nd and 4th round pick, and a 1st and 4th last year. At least for Atlanta, Jones turned out to be a home run selection.

My two favorite teams are the 49ers and whoever is playing Seattle.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 6:38 PM

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i would like to add depth to the lines hopefully finding a replacement for justin(down the road) that chews up blockers,linebacker,safety, and replacements for dixon and walker.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 6:49 PM

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questfor6 wrote:
NinerNation07 wrote: How many times during that game did everyone admit that the Falcons made a damn good trade to move up for Julio Jones? I thought it was insane to give up so much for a WR...but boy did that game change my mind. He's a special player.
Jones is an incredible WR, but I still say they gave up too much to get him. They traded away two 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and two 4th round picks.

Here's the value assigned to each of those picks

Atlanta
6=1,600

Cleveland
22 (2012)=780
27 (2011)=680
59 (2011)=310
118 (2012)=58
124 (2011)=48
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              1,876

What if they would have kept their picks and drafted Torrey Smith, who went in round 2, and then still had a 2nd and 4th round pick, and a 1st and 4th last year. At least for Atlanta, Jones turned out to be a home run selection.
Guess the big question is who did Cleveland select with those picks.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I think those players are:
B. Weeden
Travis Benjamin
Phil Taylor
Greg Little
Owen Marecic

If that's correct, I'll take Julio Jones.biggrin
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Posted: 01/21/2013 7:07 PM

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I wish the draft wasn't so weak.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 7:21 PM

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uncleloggins wrote:
Guess the big question is who did Cleveland select with those picks.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I think those players are:
B. Weeden
Travis Benjamin
Phil Taylor
Greg Little
Owen Marecic

If that's correct, I'll take Julio Jones.biggrin
I don't think that's a fair way to look at it, for instance, Atlanta already had a QB, so they would not have taken Weeden. Just for the fun of it, lets say Baalke has to take a day away from the office, and for whatever reason, he puts you in charge with full GM powers. The phone rings and its the Atlanta GM. He says "I'm willing to trade you Julio Jones and in return I want your 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks this draft and your 1st and 4th round picks next draft." Would you do it? I would tell him to go jump in a lake, and that's after already knowing Jones is awesome. When Atlanta made the deal, he could have turned into a bust. I get that it was a high risk, high reward move. I just think draft picks are too valuable to make that move.

My two favorite teams are the 49ers and whoever is playing Seattle.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 7:43 PM

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Lets not forget...if Kaep turns into a top QB its easier to develop WR's later in the draft.
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Posted: 01/21/2013 7:58 PM

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^ i believe we're seeing that very thing happen before our eyes......

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 01/22/2013 3:57 AM

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--- higherwarrior wrote:

^ i believe we're seeing that very thing happen before our eyes......

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Yup. Its amazing that Kaepernick best day as a pocket passer comes in the nfc championship game. There is not one thing this kid can surprise me with anymore.
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Posted: 01/22/2013 9:53 AM

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No doubt.....he rarely makes the same mistake twice and his main problems seem to be getting the plays off on time and that may not be all his fault.  Also if he could become proficient at taking the snap under center that would be a big plus and a boost to the run game, and I do believe that if that is asked of him he will get that down in the off season.

Everyone knows what he can do from the pistol, so if he can also become proficient under center that would be another headache for DC's around the league and add more options to our OC.

Here’s to confusion to the enemy.

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Posted: 01/22/2013 10:08 AM

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gldnwht wrote:

No doubt.....he rarely makes the same mistake twice and his main problems seem to be getting the plays off on time and that may not be all his fault.  Also if he could become proficient at taking the snap under center that would be a big plus and a boost to the run game, and I do believe that if that is asked of him he will get that down in the off season.

Everyone knows what he can do from the pistol, so if he can also become proficient under center that would be another headache for DC's around the league and add more options to our OC.

Here’s to confusion to the enemy.


He does take snaps under center and has done a fine job with dropping back and throwing from under center from what I've seen. I don't think it's something he still needs to "become proficient" with, though obviously improvement in all phases of the game would be welcome.

I think they use the Pistol so much because it leverages his strengths so well and is very hard for the defense to handle (as Roman says, it puts defenses in "conflict"), not because Kaepernick can't function any other way. Even against Green Bay, they only ran the Pistol ~50% of the time, I believe.

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