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Posted: 01/11/2013 7:30 AM

WOW. Niners Getting zero love. 


Between CBS Sports and NFL.com Niners getting no love.  Out of 27 'prognosticators' only 9 picking SF in SF.  Guess I watched the wrong GB team, the one that in the last 4 struggled to beat Detroit, Chicago and lost to Minnesota with the 2nd seed on the line.  They did beat Tennessee 55-7..wow.  Was their victory over a Joe Webb-led Vikings team that impressive? I guess.  I must too much of a homer but I see SF winning both battles up front and wearing down GB.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:04 AM

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Love my 9ers; have for many, many years going back to Kezar.   Through the good and the bad I’ve never wavered in my support.  On Mondays after we have had our hats handed to us I ALWAYS wear my colors and when people kid me about how can you wear that after the beating you took, I tell them it’s easy to wear your teams colors after a big win, but you can tell the real fans by the ones who wear them after a big loss.

 

What has this to do with the topic?  Well, there are some real questions going into tomorrow’s game.  Special teams is at the very best questionable, how long and how well will J. Smith be able to play because that will have a major impact on how well A. Rogers is able to play.  If the Smith brothers are 100% Rogers has a bad day if not and he has time that is bad news for us. The last time we faced GB we had an experienced QB calling the plays and reading the defense, tomorrow we have a rookie that has started a total of 8 games.  Under playoff pressure will he make the right reads and decisions? He has blown that more than once in the regular season, and since he (CK) has not seemed to be able to master taking the snap under center I don't believe Gore has had a 100 yard rushing game, and when you’re a team that builds the passing game off the running game that leaves some room for question.

 

Love my 9ers, and I want another Lombardi as much as anyone, but there are some questions going into this game…..hopefully they will be answered in our favor and then can be put to rest for the remainder of the play-offs.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:22 AM

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gldnwht wrote:

Love my 9ers; have for many, many years going back to Kezar.   Through the good and the bad I’ve never wavered in my support.  On Mondays after we have had our hats handed to us I ALWAYS wear my colors and when people kid me about how can you wear that after the beating you took, I tell them it’s easy to wear your teams colors after a big win, but you can tell the real fans by the ones who wear them after a big loss.

 

What has this to do with the topic?  Well, there are some real questions going into tomorrow’s game.  Special teams is at the very best questionable, how long and how well will J. Smith be able to play because that will have a major impact on how well A. Rogers is able to play.  If the Smith brothers are 100% Rogers has a bad day if not and he has time that is bad news for us. The last time we faced GB we had an experienced QB calling the plays and reading the defense, tomorrow we have a rookie that has started a total of 8 games.  Under playoff pressure will he make the right reads and decisions? He has blown that more than once in the regular season, and since he has not seemed to be able to master taking the snap under center Gore has not had a 100 yard rushing game, and when you’re a team that builds the passing game off the running game that leaves some room for question.

 

Love my 9ers, and I want another Lombardi as much as anyone, but there are some questions going into this game…..hopefully they will be answered in out favor and then can be put to rest for the remainder of the play-offs.


I guess I kinda go the other way with Kaep.  He has started 8 games.  TJ Yates won a playoff game last year with far less talent as a QB and less starts.   Kaep in those 8 games has only three INTs, granted the fumbled snaps are an area of concern to say the least.  If they can't pound Gore because they have to go with the shotgun full time (to avoid fumbles) they will be in trouble.  However, with Kaep, the niners also have a dimension they did'nt have in their first meeting in GB.  Kaep is much more of a threat to run and a better runner.  Kaep also presents the real threat of a deep ball (led all NFL QBS in completion percentage over 20 yds at almost 58%.) 

I believe Kaep will play very well, I think he will relish this stage.  But IMO the ability to dominate up front on both sides of the ball will be the determing factor this Saturday.

Last edited 01/11/2013 8:23 AM by uncleloggins

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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:35 AM

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uncleloggins wrote:
gldnwht wrote:

Love my 9ers; have for many, many years going back to Kezar.   Through the good and the bad I’ve never wavered in my support.  On Mondays after we have had our hats handed to us I ALWAYS wear my colors and when people kid me about how can you wear that after the beating you took, I tell them it’s easy to wear your teams colors after a big win, but you can tell the real fans by the ones who wear them after a big loss.

 

What has this to do with the topic?  Well, there are some real questions going into tomorrow’s game.  Special teams is at the very best questionable, how long and how well will J. Smith be able to play because that will have a major impact on how well A. Rogers is able to play.  If the Smith brothers are 100% Rogers has a bad day if not and he has time that is bad news for us. The last time we faced GB we had an experienced QB calling the plays and reading the defense, tomorrow we have a rookie that has started a total of 8 games.  Under playoff pressure will he make the right reads and decisions? He has blown that more than once in the regular season, and since he has not seemed to be able to master taking the snap under center Gore has not had a 100 yard rushing game, and when you’re a team that builds the passing game off the running game that leaves some room for question.

 

Love my 9ers, and I want another Lombardi as much as anyone, but there are some questions going into this game…..hopefully they will be answered in out favor and then can be put to rest for the remainder of the play-offs.


I guess I kinda go the other way with Kaep.  He has started 8 games.  TJ Yates won a playoff game last year with far less talent as a QB and less starts.   Kaep in those 8 games has only three INTs, granted the fumbled snaps are an area of concern to say the least.  If they can't pound Gore because they have to go with the shotgun full time (to avoid fumbles) they will be in trouble.  However, with Kaep, the niners also have a dimension they did'nt have in their first meeting in GB.  Kaep is much more of a threat to run and a better runner.  Kaep also presents the real threat of a deep ball (led all NFL QBS in completion percentage over 20 yds at almost 58%.) 

I believe Kaep will play very well, I think he will relish this stage.  But IMO the ability to dominate up front on both sides of the ball will be the determing factor this Saturday.
No doubt that CK has some great upsides to him and brings some things to the table that Alex just don't.  However I wasn't attempting to make this a CK vs Smith answer.  The question was why are we not getting much love from the "Experts" aand my answer was......We have a lot of question marks going into this game.  Experience at the QB position is only one of them.  Do I think we can win?  Without a doubt....if everything plays out well.  Will everything play out well......Well, we really won't know that until the games is over, and IMHO that is why we are not getting to much love from the press.....because there are some very really unanswered questions going into a very important and pivitoal game.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 8:49 AM

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we're still 3 point favorites so enough people think highly of us.......

however it does seem like a lot of stories i've read lately (ESPN, CNNSI, etc) and a lot of the TV shows seem to be leaning heavily towards the packers. in the end, we'll find out tomorrow night!

rodgers does scare the life out of me though. even though i think we are more than capable of beating them and are the better overall team, a hot QB like that can just destroy a gameplan. even though their win over minnesota wasn't all that impressive, i actually would say the packers are the most dangerous looking team in the playoffs right now. even moreso than seattle, atlanta, NE, or whoever.

make no mistake, we are facing a monumental challenge tomorrow night. the packers look like they're just hitting their stride and we need to play 60 minutes of excellent football to beat them.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 9:03 AM

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higherwarrior wrote: we're still 3 point favorites so enough people think highly of us.......

however it does seem like a lot of stories i've read lately (ESPN, CNNSI, etc) and a lot of the TV shows seem to be leaning heavily towards the packers. in the end, we'll find out tomorrow night!

rodgers does scare the life out of me though. even though i think we are more than capable of beating them and are the better overall team, a hot QB like that can just destroy a gameplan. even though their win over minnesota wasn't all that impressive, i actually would say the packers are the most dangerous looking team in the playoffs right now. even moreso than seattle, atlanta, NE, or whoever.

make no mistake, we are facing a monumental challenge tomorrow night. the packers look like they're just hitting their stride and we need to play 60 minutes of excellent football to beat them.

LOL.....3 points is the routine home field advantage, so from that point it is a wash.  I agree with you about Rogers and that is why IMO the question of the status of Justin and Aldon is actually more important than the QB question.  If we can disrupt Rogers and get him out of his game plan and timming that will be a major factor in deciding the game.  The kicking game also has me very worried at this point.  So, yeah there are some very real questions and this could be a real nail bitter tomorrow.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:04 AM

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Have been wearing my 9er jacket this week (cold in LA), but I can't say I'm sitting here thinking this is a cake walk.  Without a good pass rush, we could be sliced up, so Smith's injury is very much an issue.  RJF is going to have to play well spelling Smith in relief.  I do think the bye will help, not only Justin but Aldon and that could be decisive. 

On offense, forgetting Kap v. Smith, we have a similar issue with the health of our WRs.  Kap currently has no chemistry with Jenkins, so you're really relying on Crabtree, Davis and Moss to carry the day.  Happily, GB's defense is that good, and I don't think they have the players to shut down all three, but I do think they can do damage to the first two.  Kap is going to need to hit Moss more than he has.  I also am hopeful that Jenkins shows up (even a few passes caught will keep GB more honest) and LMJ seems to more comfortable as the change of pace back.

I hope we win, and believe we can win.  Not sure if I expect we win.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:23 AM

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Not surprised, as much as it's a team game, most people look at the best QB in the NFL (arguably) Vs. an inexperienced 2nd yr quarterback.  Justifiable or not. 

Let's not act like the 49ers have been playing good ball the last few games either.  It makes perfect sense to me.
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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:42 AM

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metfansrule wrote: Not surprised, as much as it's a team game, most people look at the best QB in the NFL (arguably) Vs. an inexperienced 2nd yr quarterback.  Justifiable or not. 

Let's not act like the 49ers have been playing good ball the last few games either.  It makes perfect sense to me.
I agree, after Justin Smith went down, the Niners turned into a different team.  I saw a glimpse of their 2011 selves in the season finale against the Cardinals.

Niners favored by 3 but majority of the analyst are picking the Packers...Hmmm?

I foreshadow a rematch, Seahawks at the Niners for the NFC title.  Of course, a homer call!
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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:53 AM

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If the 49ers were a little healthier (like Justin Smith was 100% and they had either Manningham or Williams healthy) I'd consider them solid favorites at home. As it stands, I think this should be a pick'em even in San Francisco.

The only "comfort" I have is that Green Bay isn't fully healthy either...they're missing arguably their two best offensive linemen, center Jeff Saturday and tackle Bryan Bulaga. If the 49ers can take advantage of that to get a lot of pressure on Rodgers (either rushed throws/throw-aways or sacks), then I think they can definitely win this. If they're not able to take advantage of a beaten up and mediocre Packers' offensive line, then I expect them to lose.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 10:54 AM

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My bad. My intent wasn't to make it a Smith v. Kaepernick thing. I see the point you were making as far as the experts perception of the upcoming game and what influences their predictions. I guess I was making my point
to dispute them rather than you, didn't mean it to come across as a smith v kaep thing.

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uncleloggins wrote:
gldnwht wrote:Love my 9ers; have for many, many years going back to Kezar.   Through the good and the bad I’ve never wavered in my support.  On Mondays after we have had our hats handed to us I ALWAYS wear my colors and when people kid me about how can you wear that after the beating you took, I tell them it’s easy to wear your teams colors after a big win, but you can tell the real fans by the ones who wear them after a big loss.

 

What has this to do with the topic?  Well, there are some real questions going into tomorrow’s game.  Special teams is at the very best questionable, how long and how well will J. Smith be able to play because that will have a major impact on how well A. Rogers is able to play.  If the Smith brothers are 100% Rogers has a bad day if not and he has time that is bad news for us. The last time we faced GB we had an experienced QB calling the plays and reading the defense, tomorrow we have a rookie that has started a total of 8 games.  Under playoff pressure will he make the right reads and decisions? He has blown that more than once in the regular season, and since he has not seemed to be able to master taking the snap under center Gore has not had a 100 yard rushing game, and when you’re a team that builds the passing game off the running game that leaves some room for question.

 

Love my 9ers, and I want another Lombardi as much as anyone, but there are some questions going into this game…..hopefully they will be answered in out favor and then can be put to rest for the remainder of the play-offs.


I guess I kinda go the other way with Kaep.  He has started 8 games.  TJ Yates won a playoff game last year with far less talent as a QB and less starts.   Kaep in those 8 games has only three INTs, granted the fumbled snaps are an area of concern to say the least.  If they can't pound Gore because they have to go with the shotgun full time (to avoid fumbles) they will be in trouble.  However, with Kaep, the niners also have a dimension they did'nt have in their first meeting in GB.  Kaep is much more of a threat to run and a better runner.  Kaep also presents the real threat of a deep ball (led all NFL QBS in completion percentage over 20 yds at almost 58%.) 

I believe Kaep will play very well, I think he will relish this stage.  But IMO the ability to dominate up front on both sides of the ball will be the determing factor this Saturday.
No doubt that CK has some great upsides to him and brings some things to the table that Alex just don't.  However I wasn't attempting to make this a CK vs Smith answer.  The question was why are we not getting much love from the "Experts" aand my answer was......We have a lot of question marks going into this game.  Experience at the QB position is only one of them.  Do I think we can win?  Without a doubt....if everything plays out well.  Will everything play out well......Well, we really won't know that until the games is over, and IMHO that is why we are not getting to much love from the press.....because there are some very really unanswered questions going into a very important and pivitoal game.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 11:03 AM

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I remember Vernon Davis carrying the day about a year ago. :-) 180yds 2tds. Crabs has blown up as of late and I have no doubt that he or the re-emergence of Davis could very well carry the day.

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Have been wearing my 9er jacket this week (cold in LA), but I can't say I'm sitting here thinking this is a cake walk.  Without a good pass rush, we could be sliced up, so Smith's injury is very much an issue.  RJF is going to have to play well spelling Smith in relief.  I do think the bye will help, not only Justin but Aldon and that could be decisive. 

On offense, forgetting Kap v. Smith, we have a similar issue with the health of our WRs.  Kap currently has no chemistry with Jenkins, so you're really relying on Crabtree, Davis and Moss to carry the day.  Happily, GB's defense is that good, and I don't think they have the players to shut down all three, but I do think they can do damage to the first two.  Kap is going to need to hit Moss more than he has.  I also am hopeful that Jenkins shows up (even a few passes caught will keep GB more honest) and LMJ seems to more comfortable as the change of pace back.

I hope we win, and believe we can win.  Not sure if I expect we win.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 11:04 AM

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The old Vince Lombardi saying “Offense sells tickets defense wins games” in the day and age of the QB actually still applies to our team.  It is our defense that has carried us for the last two years, it is our defense that has limited the other teams enough so that we could put up enough points to win (Often just barely enough) and therefore it is why I am more concerned about our defensive limitations than our offense.

 

 Justin Smith’s injury is not just a ho-hum thing if I understand it correctly and although the time off helped some, my concern is if it was enough, because we already know surgery will be required in the off season.  If Justin can only play as a decoy due to his injury it will only take GB about 2 offensive series to figure that out and that would not be good news for us.  AZ doesn’t exactly have a stellar O-Line and with Justin out Aldon didn’t record one sack in our last game.  If GB was a team that relied primarily on its running game I would be less concerned as they would have PW and Bowman to contend with, however, they win or lose on the arm of Aaron Rodgers who IMHO is the hottest QB in the league at this particular point in time.   We can’t afford to let GB hang around all day because there probably is not a better closer in the game right now than Aaron Rodgers so if we can’t keep pressure on him all day long that could be a critical weakness for us.

 

On offense I am concerned that CK has had trouble taking the snap under center as that has limited Gore’s running game and that is critical to us for a win.  Our passing game feeds off an effective run game and even the run option is more effective if the running game is working.

 

So, for me at least it’s not a question of who has the best QB that of course would be GB.  However, if our defense is working as it has for the better part of the season and we can get our running game back on track, I believe we nuturalize the QB question and we come out with a W…….if our defense is lacking, well we start planning for next year once again.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 11:18 AM

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I am glad CK has a great rapport with Crabtree. Usually an offense with a productive WR has a better chance of advancing.  This is an observation.

CK is a much more dynamic QB that looks for the big play and enamored by the big play.  I think that is the reason why CK has a harder time in the short game.  He doesn't play a methodical game like Alex Smith.  It is turn and burn, grip and rip with CK.  The run game is CK's short game.  Again, an observation.  I've seen him play in college before being here in Hawaii.

CK causes stress on a defense because of this mentality.  If CK can force himself to balance out the short game (VD), the offense will dominate.  Just an opinion!
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Posted: 01/11/2013 11:45 AM

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Die hard 49ers Fan, but am very scared about our DL, Hoping Justin Smith can be healthy, because you clearly see the way this Team Plays witout him. I think they are gonna jump out of a cannon the way they did against NO last year, but if this turns into a QB Duel, The Discount Double Check Prick may have the Edge on CK7. I think if we slow the game down and run on them, we have a better chance than making this a QB Duel. GOOOOOOOO NINERS!!!!!!
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Posted: 01/11/2013 12:07 PM

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Taken from ESPN 49er home page.   NOT what I wanted to hear.frown

Spin: Smith was a limited participant in Wednesday's practice, as he continues to build strength in anticipation of Saturday's showdown. He said himself that he doesn't know how long he can hold up Saturday, or how effective he'll be playing with a partially torn left triceps, but it sounds like Smith will be on the field to give it what he has. The injury will require surgery after the season.

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Posted: 01/11/2013 12:37 PM

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I saw his one interview and he said he was gonna go till he can't go anymore, but seemed confident, either way, we shall see..........GB does look beatable, it will depend on the rest of the Defense to shoulder the load
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Posted: 01/11/2013 1:10 PM

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gldnwht wrote: Taken from ESPN 49er home page.   NOT what I wanted to hear.frown

Spin: Smith was a limited participant in Wednesday's practice, as he continues to build strength in anticipation of Saturday's showdown. He said himself that he doesn't know how long he can hold up Saturday, or how effective he'll be playing with a partially torn left triceps, but it sounds like Smith will be on the field to give it what he has. The injury will require surgery after the season.

Not good, I agree.  Donte Whitner's recent comments were more promising, though:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news...-186490001.html

Niners safety Donte Whitner told Eric Branch of the San Francisco Chronicle this week that he believes Justin Smith will be “95 percent” for Saturday’s game.

Whitner told Branch that in practice, Smith has shown no signs of having less strength in his left arm while dealing with former Pro Bowl offensive lineman Leonard Davis.

"When you’re out there and against a big guy like Leonard Davis (6-foot-6, 335 pounds) and you’re pushing him around with both arms, I don’t think you really have a problem,” Whitner said. “He’s one of the biggest offensive guards in the National Football League, so to be able to go out there and practice against him all week and be able to control him and move around with both arms, I think Justin showed a lot by doing that.”

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Posted: 01/11/2013 2:23 PM

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CBS Sports and NFL.com do not know nothing and yes they are going that way seeing how GB beat Webb they blind to go off that but its ok your 49ers will prove everything you want Web?

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Posted: 01/11/2013 6:24 PM

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People please stop listening to the so called experts.  If they were so good in predicting the outcome of games they wouldn't be on TV right?  No! They would be sailing along the Pacific coast with all the money they would made from all the correct picks......I'm glad we're the underdogs, we seem to play a lot better when we are IMHO, noideanoidea

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