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Article on how you a elite QB needed to win a SB these days

Posted: 01/02/2013 7:40 PM

Article on how you a elite QB needed to win a SB these days 


I came across this article on how you need an elite qb to win a Super Bowl and the Niners are getting no love here.  

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...ame-quarterback

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Posted: 01/03/2013 7:29 AM

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They say that just about every year at this time.  He can go ahead and take the Packers and their sieve-like defense, coming of a sterling performance of allowing 37 points to a team that's offensive attck consists of running AP, no threats at WR, and a very bland QB.

Luckily the have to play the game on the field first.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 7:53 AM

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A few thoughts. One, I generally agree with the article's premise: an elite QB has typically been the single most important ingredient in the recipe for winning a SB. We as 49er fans have witnessed this firsthand 5 times. But two, our current team does fit the article's one noted exception: a dominant defense and great running game. And three, we do not yet have any idea what CK's ultimate NFL legacy is going to be. 10 years from now, he might be used as an example supporting the author's theory. Not too many people were calling Brady, Roethlisberger, Warner, or Eli HOF-caliber QBs while they were on their respective runs toward their very first ring. It wasn't until after they won one and it helped launch them to elite regular seasons and future postseason success that people started talking about how special they were. One could arguably say the same thing about Joe Montana even. I'm not necessarily predicting that CK will reach the level that these guys did, but who knows? Either way, I'm not writing off the 49ers' chances this year merely because Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers play for other teams.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 10:27 PM

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two words to that article...

TRENT DILFER

want more???

JIM HOSTETLER

another???

MARK RYPIEN

another???

Doug Williams

blah blah you say???

Phil Simms

you don't need an "elite" qb to win a Super Bowl, that's a bunch of baloney. You get to the Super Bowl with a solid overall balanced squad, good defense, good offense, good special teams, good coaching and a heck of a front office.

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With pick No. 36 in the 2011 NFL, the San Francisco 49ers select...Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada 

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Posted: 01/04/2013 8:58 AM

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i agree.....to an extent. several recent SB winners had elite passing games and elite QBs with marginal running games. i think your formula is still very good but the game is changing, there's no denying that. i think there's more ways than one to win a SB.

i would argue that is part of the reason wwe went with CK at QB. not only is his ceiling higher and his threat to run a big factor, but he has the potential to elevate our passing game is ways that smith was not able to. the margin for error is so small when you only have a decent passing game and you rely on the conservative approach of playing D, running the ball and controlling posession.

so while your formula can still be the blueprint, i think you need a more potent passing game potential in order to win it all.

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 01/04/2013 9:55 AM

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Stokes83 wrote: two words to that article...

TRENT DILFER

want more???

JIM HOSTETLER

another???

MARK RYPIEN

another???

Doug Williams

blah blah you say???

Phil Simms

you don't need an "elite" qb to win a Super Bowl, that's a bunch of baloney. You get to the Super Bowl with a solid overall balanced squad, good defense, good offense, good special teams, good coaching and a heck of a front office.

Yeah, I agree that you don't absolutely NEED an elite QB to win a Super Bowl...but that is the exception, not the rule, IMO.  You just named 5 (I'll add Brad Johnson for 6)...but still, thats only 6 out of 46 Super Bowls.  If you have an elite QB, you've got a much better chance at getting there.  I think that was the point of the article.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 11:45 AM

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Ron Jaworski released his latest quarterback rankings, with some analysis. While the article is ESPN Insider (and I don't have an Insider subscription), Mike Sando of ESPN's NFC West blog provided the blurb about Colin Kaepernick, which was very interesting. From Sando:


Jaworski offers analysis for each quarterback. What he said about the San Francisco 49ers' Colin Kaepernick was what stood out to me from an NFC West standpoint.

"Kaepernick is the reason I like the San Francisco 49ers to win it all," Jaworski wrote. "Between his arm strength and his foot speed, there is nothing the Niners' offense can't do. They've got the smashmouth ground game, and the quick-strike deep ball. He has shown good feel in the pocket and, like Griffin, looks to make the pass first and doesn't default to his legs at the first sign of pressure."

Jaworski is expecting the 49ers' coaching staff to have big plans for Kaepernick in the playoffs.


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So Jaworski favors the 49ers to win the championship and it's due in large part to the potential he sees in Kaepernick, and the potential he sees in the 49ers' coaching staff to maximize it.
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Posted: 01/05/2013 9:19 AM

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Stokes83 wrote: two words to that article...

TRENT DILFER

want more???

JIM HOSTETLER

another???

MARK RYPIEN

another???

Doug Williams

blah blah you say???

Phil Simms

you don't need an "elite" qb to win a Super Bowl, that's a bunch of baloney. You get to the Super Bowl with a solid overall balanced squad, good defense, good offense, good special teams, good coaching and a heck of a front office.
Brad Johnson....
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Posted: 01/05/2013 5:41 PM

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NashvilleNiner wrote:
Stokes83 wrote: two words to that article...

TRENT DILFER

want more???

JIM HOSTETLER

another???

MARK RYPIEN

another???

Doug Williams

blah blah you say???

Phil Simms

you don't need an "elite" qb to win a Super Bowl, that's a bunch of baloney. You get to the Super Bowl with a solid overall balanced squad, good defense, good offense, good special teams, good coaching and a heck of a front office.

Yeah, I agree that you don't absolutely NEED an elite QB to win a Super Bowl...but that is the exception, not the rule, IMO.  You just named 5 (I'll add Brad Johnson for 6)...but still, thats only 6 out of 46 Super Bowls.  If you have an elite QB, you've got a much better chance at getting there.  I think that was the point of the article.
i completely forgot about Brad Johnson, good one.

i was trying to point out that you don't need to be an "elite qb" to win a super bowl.

case in point....

Jim Plunkett

he won 2 and is nowhere near mentioned as a HOF qb nor was he ever considered an "elite qb" of his time.

but anyway, the whole "you need an elite qb to win a super bowl" is completely overrated.

Jim Kelly? Fran Tarkenton? John Elway? Dan Marino? Kurt Warner?

combined SB records between these "elite qbs": 3-14

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With pick No. 36 in the 2011 NFL, the San Francisco 49ers select...Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada 

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