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Who do you start next week?

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Posted: 12/02/2012 4:04 PM

Who do you start next week? 


    If you're Harbaugh, who do you start at QB next week?

  1. Poll closed on 12/05/2012
  2. Kaep: 15 votes
  3. Alex: 20 votes
  4. Don't know: 0 votes
  5. Don't care: 0 votes


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Posted: 12/04/2012 5:46 AM

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As of this post: Almost 2 to 1 in favor of Alex.

Harbaugh has already chosen CK so I don't think our voting will change his mind.

No matter, we need the win so I hope CK does well in victory.


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Last edited 12/06/2012 9:22 AM by dea49

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Posted: 12/04/2012 1:26 PM

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I don't think Harbaugh can go back to Smith unless Kaepernick just falls apart. Kaepernick is starting this week...what happens if for whatever reason Harbaugh benches Kaepernick, starts Smith the following week, and HE struggles(Something similar to the NYG game)? Do you keep starting Smith after a bad game? Do you go back to Kaepernick? I think that Harbaugh has to stick with Kaepernick unless we lose the next two.

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Posted: 12/04/2012 7:29 PM

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It's gotta be Kap ,barring injury, from now into next year. He gets these games to prepare for the playoffs. It funny when Kap got the job people said we will have to live with "rookie" mistakes, now that he made a couple people want his head.
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Posted: 12/04/2012 7:43 PM

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polynikes wrote: It funny when Kap got the job people said we will have to live with "rookie" mistakes, now that he made a couple people want his head.
Where? Care to cite a few examples or is it just a FEELING? crazy


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Posted: 12/04/2012 9:52 PM

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You just wrote that people voted for Alex 2-1 after Kap made a couple mistakes in one game against a defense that has proven to give SF problems.

Your love for Alex has clearly made you too biased to see any other point of view. Like many people your looking to be right instead of trying to find out what is right. Why else would you make a silly poll like this, your just trying to stir the pot. It's clear Harbaugh is going with Kap.

My advice, put the ego aside and enjoy the ride.
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Posted: 12/04/2012 10:14 PM

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polynikes wrote: You just wrote that people voted for Alex 2-1 after Kap made a couple mistakes in one game against a defense that has proven to give SF problems.

Your love for Alex has clearly made you too biased to see any other point of view. Like many people your looking to be right instead of trying to find out what is right. Why else would you make a silly poll like this, your just trying to stir the pot. It's clear Harbaugh is going with Kap.

My advice, put the ego aside and enjoy the ride.
Again, cite an example that shows I hold Kaep any different than Alex.

IF YOU DARE, go back and look at my postings on the games CK played and after. SHOW me ONE message that shows blind bias against only Kaep!

With your own over sensitive ego it appears you are the one being biased!

BTW: The message was statement of fact that when I left the message it was 19 to 11 for Alex. The poll was placed out there after the game to see how the fan base was divided before Harbaugh made his announcement, nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, it was a valid question considering the loss, well valid to all but you!


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Posted: 12/05/2012 1:38 AM

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no bias against CK but feel for this season anyway we have a better chance of winning with Alex
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Posted: 12/05/2012 10:59 AM

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If anyone has a Bias with CK, it is Coach Harbaugh. He said he would go with the Hot Hand, CK cost us this game. PERIOD. Reminds me of Old Alex, getting sacked, giving the other team Points. I do not think CK is a Bad QB, he is the QB of the future, not the QB of the present in the middle of a SB Run. I like CK, but think Alex is the one that can take this team to the top, he went pass for pass with Drew Brees and carried the offense even when the D couldnt slow down Drew Brees. I think it should be Alex. I gurantee if Frank, Vernon, or Crabs got hurt and their replacement has a good game or 2, they would not lose their job to the Backup. I just hope it doesnt cost us #6
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Posted: 12/05/2012 11:15 AM

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11901 wrote: If anyone has a Bias with CK, it is Coach Harbaugh. He said he would go with the Hot Hand, CK cost us this game. PERIOD. Reminds me of Old Alex, getting sacked, giving the other team Points. I do not think CK is a Bad QB, he is the QB of the future, not the QB of the present in the middle of a SB Run. I like CK, but think Alex is the one that can take this team to the top, he went pass for pass with Drew Brees and carried the offense even when the D couldnt slow down Drew Brees. I think it should be Alex. I gurantee if Frank, Vernon, or Crabs got hurt and their replacement has a good game or 2, they would not lose their job to the Backup. I just hope it doesnt cost us #6

WRONG!  That playcall cost us that game, Walker's dropped TD pass cost us that game, Aker's missed FG in OT cost us that game, bad Intentional Grounding call cost us that game, inability to run/pass protect cost us that game....
We would have had the same result WITH ALEX.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 11:42 AM

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Game never should have gone to OT.
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Posted: 12/05/2012 11:49 AM

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11901 wrote: Game never should have gone to OT.

True.  And Walker should have caught the TD/Should not have been a Safety called/Should not have called a triple-option to 5th string WR on your own 10yd line with 3 minutes left...
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Posted: 12/05/2012 12:08 PM

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My opinion though, is Alex makes the pitch, and if he doesnt think he can do it, he takes the loss and doesnt turn the ball over or give up the points. Alex also doesnt give the Refs a chance to call a safety on him in the end zone. I know we are going to go back and forth, so I agree to disagree. But while we are talking about coulda shoulda, Alex shoulda gone back in after the NO game. You will know what you have with CK and you keep Alex on a very short leash and let him know he has no room for error. I just dont think this is the time to play a guy that has never played a game in the NFL midway through the season when we have a one game lead on the Seahawks. Just hope it works
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Posted: 12/05/2012 1:17 PM

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NashvilleNiner wrote:
11901 wrote: If anyone has a Bias with CK, it is Coach Harbaugh. He said he would go with the Hot Hand, CK cost us this game. PERIOD. Reminds me of Old Alex, getting sacked, giving the other team Points. I do not think CK is a Bad QB, he is the QB of the future, not the QB of the present in the middle of a SB Run. I like CK, but think Alex is the one that can take this team to the top, he went pass for pass with Drew Brees and carried the offense even when the D couldnt slow down Drew Brees. I think it should be Alex. I gurantee if Frank, Vernon, or Crabs got hurt and their replacement has a good game or 2, they would not lose their job to the Backup. I just hope it doesnt cost us #6

WRONG!  That playcall cost us that game, Walker's dropped TD pass cost us that game, Aker's missed FG in OT cost us that game, bad Intentional Grounding call cost us that game, inability to run/pass protect cost us that game....
We would have had the same result WITH ALEX.
Someone mentioned that Alex had torn up the Rams last few times they played.  Only difference this time is that the coaching staff was a much better staff and who knows how they would have game planned Alex.  Very well could have been the same result with the exact same plan.  There are a LOT of variables in there and I agree, it very well could have been the exact same result with Alex...
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Posted: 12/05/2012 2:03 PM

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One thing that should be considered is that the coaching staff is probably still adapting to scheming and play-calling around a new quarterback with a different skillset. While this isn't like switching from a West Coast Offense to a run-and-shoot, since it seems to me that Harbaugh and Roman still plan to attack with similar route and formation concepts, there is still some tweaking that they could and should do to maximize what Kaepernick can do well (for example, I, personally, would like to see more naked bootlegs for scramble/pass options, similar to what was done with Steve Young a fair amount, perhaps off of stretch handoff run-action fakes).

This isn't exactly an argument for or against the switch to Kaepernick this year. On the one hand, we might expect to see some better results in the future with better tailored gameplans; on the other hand, it's a valid argument to note that if the 49ers hadn't switched away from Smith, they wouldn't have to start designing new types of gameplans, which may set them back very slightly.

Personally, I'm largely agnostic to the change. I think there's a good argument both for stability in what is already a title contender and for trying to make a reasonable (i.e. not crazy) upside play when winning a championship inevitably requires beating the odds. Thus, I basically trust that Harbaugh is best suited to make the decision. If he had stayed with Smith, or switches back to Smith this season, I'd support that, just as I currently support his decision to go with Kapernick.

I might raise an eyebrow if he switches starting quarterback more than once more, though. tongue

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Posted: 12/05/2012 3:33 PM

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Minstrel wrote: One thing that should be considered is that the coaching staff is probably still adapting to scheming and play-calling around a new quarterback with a different skillset.
It appeared they maximized his skillset in his first two starts but then they played into the rams hands by going back to the conservative play calling.

Throughout the first half we had the rams on the ropes but our play calling allowed them to stay around (for some of you: notice I didn't blame CK) until a mistake allowed the rams to pull it out. If they would have called the same game as the previous two, the Niners would have won a blowout and Aldon might already have the sack record!

If they trying force CK into their scheme then they are just as guilty as the last two head coaches.


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Posted: 12/05/2012 3:52 PM

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I think you're not recognizing that Fisher's defense took away a lot of the downfield plays against CK. It's not so much that the 49ers suddenly stopped calling those plays, but that they had to to adjust to the defense they were seeing. Jeff Fisher even said in his post-game and follow-up pressers that they recognized Kaepernick's penchant for looking downfield, so they wanted to force him into the shorter field. They felt they were stout enough against the run to not need to load 8 in the box every down, and it was effective.

This is precisely what I talked about weeks ago. How would Harbaugh, Roman, and Kaepernick react once there was more of a game plan against him. New Orleans started to work on containing his ability to gain runs on outside plays. Fisher took it up a notch and took away more of the deep balls to force CK into his secondary reads.

Kaepernick played a decent game for the most part, and did make several very solid reads throughout the game. The issue with the coaching and game planning, contrary to your assertion that they are forcing square pegs into round holes, imo, was the somewhat simplistic passing attack they've utilized. Roman is fantastic at calling various run formations to confuse the opponent. He builds pass plays out of some of these formations, and it's particularly effective when the play-action is working.

When play-action is not working, the actual passing attack is a little too easy to defend, imo. A lot of CK's passing yardage downfield the prior couple games were not 'designed' plays as much as they were improvisations and extended plays that he was able to execute due to his scrambling ability. I said back then that, as a game plan, it's not sustainable. They need to develop something that could be more consistent.

If you look at how Stanford executed when Harbaugh was there and Luck was under center, you'll notice that a large part of their success was built off of play-action as well. But when they couldn't get the play action to work, Luck's ability to read the defense and adjust play calls at the line of scrimmage was huge, as he would find some quick strike, high percentage plays to gain chunks of yardage to get the defense off its rhythm.

I think the issue we're starting to see is that Kaepernick is simply not experienced enough to know what calls to make quite yet. He might be a quick learner, but has he absorbed enough and can he continue to adjust quickly? We know what the coaching staff is betting.
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Posted: 12/06/2012 9:24 AM

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pudding wrote:
When play-action is not working, the actual passing attack is a little too easy to defend, imo. A lot of CK's passing yardage downfield the prior couple games were not 'designed' plays as much as they were improvisations and extended plays that he was able to execute due to his scrambling ability. I said back then that, as a game plan, it's not sustainable. They need to develop something that could be more consistent.

If you look at how Stanford executed when Harbaugh was there and Luck was under center, you'll notice that a large part of their success was built off of play-action as well. But when they couldn't get the play action to work, Luck's ability to read the defense and adjust play calls at the line of scrimmage was huge, as he would find some quick strike, high percentage plays to gain chunks of yardage to get the defense off its rhythm.

I think that was a huge reason for the loss last Sunday.  Whether their D-Line played great, or our O-Line couldn't get the push, we just could not run the ball very effectively.  So the playaction didn't work. 
Also, their pass-rush looked like they were on a mission, and got to us a good bit as well.  Often Kaep didn't have time to spend the time looking downfield...probably part of Fisher's gameplan as well.
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Posted: 12/06/2012 2:08 PM

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should we be running more screen plays to combat the blitz? Both Gore and Miller have shown they can be threats in the passing game. James would be a very exciting option with his speed and elusiveness.

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Posted: 12/06/2012 2:14 PM

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I think James would be really good with the screens.  Gore said that James' issue when he first arrived in the NFL is that he wanted to hit the holes full speed as soon as he go the ball and needed to slow down, look for the holes and then go full speed.  Gore said that James came from on offense where the field was spread out so he was used to running in open spaces and a screen pass would be the perfect way to set that up!
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