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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:37 PM

Bears vs 49ers :) Bears fan Perspective :) 


Looking forward to Monday's game how about you all? Sucks we don't have Cutty , but still going to be a heck of a game.  Definitely respect what you guys bring to the table .

  We both have great defenses. Special teams I give us the edge(not by a lot) Offensively you guys are better overall in my opinion, however, I think we have more explosiveness if that makes sense?

MNF can't come soon enough! :)

Should be a great game for us all to enjoy! :)
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Posted: 11/16/2012 11:43 PM

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Welcome to the board. In San Fran, without Cutler, I like the 49ers chances, but I'm expecting a great game. I'm guessing we see a heavy dose of Forte and Bush (possibly the best 1-2 punch in the NFL) so our D better be ready for the run but also has to keep tabs on Marshall. Maybe our paths will cross again in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. This is a big game for the 49ers to move into the #2 spot in the NFC, and also for the Bears to try and maintain that seed.

My two favorite teams are the 49ers and whoever is playing Seattle.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:33 PM

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questfor6 wrote: Welcome to the board. In San Fran, without Cutler, I like the 49ers chances, but I'm expecting a great game. I'm guessing we see a heavy dose of Forte and Bush (possibly the best 1-2 punch in the NFL) so our D better be ready for the run but also has to keep tabs on Marshall. Maybe our paths will cross again in the playoffs with both teams at full strength. This is a big game for the 49ers to move into the #2 spot in the NFC, and also for the Bears to try and maintain that seed.
For sure! and thanks for the nice welcome! If Bush doesn't fumble as he gets to the Redzone, Marshall hangs on to the perfect pass to the endzone from Cutty, and Gould doesn't miss a field goal,  the we BEAT Houston. Unfortunately the NFL doesn't go by IFS , so we lost and deserved to do so. Hoping for a different case this week vs you guys
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:44 AM

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A question from another Bears fan...

Moss is listed as a starter but doesn't play very much.

Has he been injured or is he listed as a starter for PR reasons?

I would like to see Moss on the field as much as possible.

Sorry to hear about Smith. I wish we were both playing with our starters at QB.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:18 AM

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well if you ask harbaugh, we have about 5 starting WRs. and there have been times when he was not in the first set of WRs on the field. so it's really not significant.

as for his personal status- he's perfectly healthy and very able to contribute. it just so happens that we have a lot more weapons than people realize and we do lean on our running game too.

teams are still rolling coverages to his side which is helping open up things for our running game even more- we have i think the highest YPC average in the nfl- and he's still playing a pretty big role for us, even if the stats don't show it.

he made some blocks in the cardinals game that i've never seen him make in his entire career. so he's involved and plays but in more limited role. even when he's out there he's often not the first target as teams are rolling to him quite a bit.

don't underestimate him though because he can still fly and still runs great routes.

here's to a clean game with no (more) injuries!

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:51 AM

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higherwarrior wrote: well if you ask harbaugh, we have about 5 starting WRs. and there have been times when he was not in the first set of WRs on the field. so it's really not significant.

as for his personal status- he's perfectly healthy and very able to contribute. it just so happens that we have a lot more weapons than people realize and we do lean on our running game too.

teams are still rolling coverages to his side which is helping open up things for our running game even more- we have i think the highest YPC average in the nfl- and he's still playing a pretty big role for us, even if the stats don't show it.

he made some blocks in the cardinals game that i've never seen him make in his entire career. so he's involved and plays but in more limited role. even when he's out there he's often not the first target as teams are rolling to him quite a bit.

don't underestimate him though because he can still fly and still runs great routes.

here's to a clean game with no (more) injuries!
You are answering my question as if I was asking why Moss' stats were low, but that's not what I am asking.

I'm asking why he's not on the field more.

At the end of end of your paragraphs 2,3,4, and 5, I would ask the same question: "Then why don't the 49er's play him more often?"

Especially if he's healthy.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:12 AM

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seaters wrote:
higherwarrior wrote: well if you ask harbaugh, we have about 5 starting WRs. and there have been times when he was not in the first set of WRs on the field. so it's really not significant.

as for his personal status- he's perfectly healthy and very able to contribute. it just so happens that we have a lot more weapons than people realize and we do lean on our running game too.

teams are still rolling coverages to his side which is helping open up things for our running game even more- we have i think the highest YPC average in the nfl- and he's still playing a pretty big role for us, even if the stats don't show it.

he made some blocks in the cardinals game that i've never seen him make in his entire career. so he's involved and plays but in more limited role. even when he's out there he's often not the first target as teams are rolling to him quite a bit.

don't underestimate him though because he can still fly and still runs great routes.

here's to a clean game with no (more) injuries!
You are answering my question as if I was asking why Moss' stats were low, but that's not what I am asking.

I'm asking why he's not on the field more.

At the end of end of your paragraphs 2,3,4, and 5, I would ask the same question: "Then why don't the 49er's play him more often?"

Especially if he's healthy.
The point is, even as fans, we don't know why you wouldn't play him more. It's the way Harbaugh does things.


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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:02 PM

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A couple thoughts here..

Running Games
First, the 49ers are not only leading the league in YPC, but if they finish the year with their current average, they will have the highest YPC average in nearly 50 years. Currently, they are averaging 5.6 YPC. The last team to have 5.6 or higher was the 1963 Cleveland Browns, who averaged 5.7 (largely courtesy of Jim Brown).

The teams who have averaged 5.4 or higher in that time have been.

1997 Detroit Lions - 5.5 (the year Barry Sanders ran for 2053 yards, averaging 6.1 yards per pop).

2006 Atlanta Falcons - 5.5 (the year Michael Vick ran for 1039 yards, averaging 8.4 yards per pop).

2011 Carolina Panthers - 5.4 (courtesy the 3-headed monster of Cam Newton, Deangelo Williams, and Jonathan Stewart, who all averaged 5.4 or higher)

As you can see, it's usually taken a transcendent performance by a RB or a running QB to help a team average that high. The 49ers, however, have done this mostly by having very few negative running plays, and also by disguising a lot of their option runs very well. Alex Smith and Anthony Dixon share the worst YPC average on the team, both at 4.6, which would be a good average for many teams.

The Bears have been very stout against the run, of course, so the final tally in the run game on both sides will be very interesting to see. The 49er run defense has been struggling a bit of late, but the Bears run offense has not been quite as productive as the 49ers.


Backup QBs
Unlike some, I think Jason Campbell playing QB could be a boon for the Bears to some extent. Campbell is less prone to making the mental errors that Cutler can make from time to time. Cutler's been much better, overall, this year, but there's still always that specter of him falling apart when he's under pressure. While the 49ers have not been as opportunistic as they were a year ago, I don't think that means they can't cause problems if a QB makes mistakes.

Now with Kaepernick in as the starter, the advantage at the position could shift to the Bears, if only because Campbell is a veteran starter who may be better prepared to handle the pressure of a Monday Night game. The key for the 49ers to mitigate this potential advantage is the game planning. What will Harbaugh/Roman do to minimize the potential for mistakes with Kaepernick, while maximizing his skills to keep the Bears off-balance?

I will say that, while Tice has done a very nice job for Chicago, I think Harbaugh/Roman might help swing that disadvantage back to an advantage.


Vernon Davis
One thing I've read by a few different analysts, including Greg Cosell, was that they felt that this game might be one where the 49ers can best utilize Vernon Davis because, contrary to reputation, Brian Urlacher is not the cover-LB he used to be. Now, the 49ers have been keeping Davis in for blocking against tough front-lines, and the Bears have as difficult a unit on their DL as anybody in the league. But Kaepernick's mobility and tendency to roll out of the pocket could actually free Davis up to get out into pattern. I'll be curious to see if the 49ers do this. Certainly, a TE like Davis could be a young QBs best friend, and Davis is a tough cover for even the speediest of LB.

I'd like to see Kaepernick take some play-action out to a bootleg, and see if he can't hit Davis in the flat. If they can design the play so that Davis is able to use his speed to challenge Urlacher laterally, it could be a solid play and could force the Bears to then roll a safety down to help, which might open up some shots down field (something Kaepernick definitely has the arm to do).

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All in all, this should be a great game. It's a shame that Smith and Cutler are out, but it could be a post-season preview matchup, nonetheless.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:09 AM

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Wow, you guys really kicked out tails in every aspect of the game.

You deserve the second seed position that you took from us, and we deserve being relegated to the wild card spot.

Your rookie QB was outstanding and made our defense look like a bunch of rookies.

When I asked why Moss isn't on the field more, you should have said "because we can kill you without him."

Good game.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:55 AM

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seaters wrote:
Wow, you guys really kicked out tails in every aspect of the game.

You deserve the second seed position that you took from us, and we deserve being relegated to the wild card spot.

Your rookie QB was outstanding and made our defense look like a bunch of rookies.

When I asked why Moss isn't on the field more, you should have said "because we can kill you without him."

Good game.
Thanks, it felt good to see our team dominate.

BTW: Be sure and beat out the packers and vikings for the division!


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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:13 PM

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re-read what i posted. i very clearly told you that we have a variety of weapons at our disposal which is a big reason he's not on the field as much and hence his numbers aren't as big.  stats are related to playing time and i laid it out quite plainly that we have a lot of good receivers who are forced to share playing time.
seaters wrote:
Wow, you guys really kicked out tails in every aspect of the game.

You deserve the second seed position that you took from us, and we deserve being relegated to the wild card spot.

Your rookie QB was outstanding and made our defense look like a bunch of rookies.

When I asked why Moss isn't on the field more, you should have said "because we can kill you without him."

Good game.

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:54 PM

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I think you're taking him too literally, hw. The comment was just a clever refer-back to his original question. He's being gracious in defeat; no need to nit-pick him now after he's effectively claimed 'mea culpa' tongue
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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:10 PM

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go back and read his original reply to my first comment. i guess that's what i should've quoted.

"You are either getting better or you are getting worse; you never stay the same."

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:13 PM

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Again, he mea culpa'd. I don't see much disrespect in his original comments or any of his replies, but you seem unusually riled up by it. That's all I was noting. tongue
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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:16 PM

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I should add, I almost felt like saying "hw isn't normally so ornery" to our Bear fan visitor. Now I've been known to argue on and on to drive home a point, but you're usually far more convivial biggrin
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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:24 PM

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not riled up at all pudding, not sure why you're drawing this conclusion. it just seemed odd to have the question asked again when i answered it already. yes, i get what he was doing but my point is that the answer to each of those questions is that although each statement of him is true (IMO), we have a lot of other weapons.

and yes, i do note that you tend to be the one who argues on and on to make a point....which is what you appear to be doing here. i haven't nitpicked my friend, it seems you are doing just that with my post! see what a winning season does to us?  biggrin lol

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:31 PM

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I won't push it. There's no question being re-asked in the post you quoted, though. Just saying wink
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:18 PM

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it was in his first response to my post, as i said. he re-asked a question i already answered be it rhetorical or not. also as i said, i should have quoted that post. that is the post where he asked why moss is not on the field more. again.

and i already answered it by pointing out the variety of weapons we have.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:20 PM

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I get it, hw. But all those comments were before the game. He came back after the game and posted what amounted to a congratulatory post. That's why I thought your response seemed a bit dogged and unnecessary.

Again, here's the post you quoted (and I didn't say you mention to me that you quoted the wrong post or should have quoted a different one):



Wow, you guys really kicked out tails in every aspect of the game.

You deserve the second seed position that you took from us, and we deserve being relegated to the wild card spot.

Your rookie QB was outstanding and made our defense look like a bunch of rookies.

When I asked why Moss isn't on the field more, you should have said "because we can kill you without him."

Good game.



90% of it is congratulatory. The one part of it that's not seems more like self-deprecation than anything.

I figured, when you quoted that, you were dogging him again for bringing up Moss. To me, the Moss reference was basically his 'mea culpa,' saying.. 'that was clearly a stupid thing to even bring up given how thoroughly we got beaten.'

Like I said, I'm known for not knowing backing down, although I will say "whoops" when I misunderstood someone's intent or post. I just didn't get why you were still telling him "re-read my post" when he was admitting he was wrong for ever bringing Moss up in the first place. Make sense?

Look, I'll say "whoops" again if there's something I'm missing. I'm still unclear as to what got you riled up in the first place, although I'm sure I'm not doing myself any favors by pushing this biggrin

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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:56 PM

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Welp..

That one hurt! :)

Well played 49ers ! Now , you guys have a real problem on your hand. Who to start.

Alex Smith was playing amazing before got hurt. Completed his last 25-27.. and been dang consistent all year. I know CK is fresh on the mind, but remember it's just 1 game , and Alex Smith has got it done all season :)
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