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Will ignoring the OL for most of Ben's career...

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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:33 AM

Will ignoring the OL for most of Ben's career... 


cause an early retirement as I predicted in 2008?  He will soon become the most sacked QB ever, let alone the hits and sacks only he avoids.

From PFT on 5 Steeler Questions

1.  How much does Ben Roethlisberger have left?

The Steelers’ only franchise quarterback since Terry Bradshaw turned 32 this year.  But Big Ben is an old 32, with plenty of wear and tear on bones and joints weighed down by a large body and a decade of even larger poundings.   In lieu of giving him another big contract, the Steelers have opted to wait.  By the end of the season, the Steelers will have a much better feel for how well — and for how long — Roethlisberger can keep going as he approaches 35.  It would be a shock if he doesn’t finish his career in Pittsburgh.  The more important question is how much longer does he have until he’s finished.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/10/fi ve-questions-pittsburgh-steelers/






Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:36 AM

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You've been complaining about the high pics longer than you realize, cookie.

 This Offense has a franchise QB, WR, TE, and RB. Now, is that OL going to mature or what?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:37 AM

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Will ignoring the fact that in no way did the team "ignore the OL for most of Ben's career" actually cause anybody to buy into your blather?

Are you getting jealous that Joel has gotten so much bolder even than you with the premature self-back-pat maneuver?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:44 AM

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IanWhetstoneDotCom wrote: Will ignoring the fact that in no way did the team "ignore the OL for most of Ben's career" actually cause anybody to buy into your blather?

Are you getting jealous that Joel has gotten so much bolder even than you with the premature self-back-pat maneuver?

The 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts didn't ignore the OL?  In those 3 drafts the highest pick used on an OLman was a 3rd on Urbick as Ben was taking a beating every week.  They then realized their mistake and used a 1, 2, 1, 2 the next 3 drafts almost in a panic.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:46 AM

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That was funny!


but seriously...

when i list these reasons next year when the discussion is "should we give ben another long term contract" you guysll tell me im full of **** and that the guy is immortal and there is no place for a fourth round pick like Landry Jones (even if landry jones is not that guy)



IanWhetstoneDotCom wrote:

Are you getting jealous that Joel has gotten so much bolder even than you with the premature self-back-pat maneuver?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:47 AM

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SteelObservatory wrote: You've been complaining about the high pics longer than you realize, cookie.

I've been waving the warning flag for nearly a decade about protecting Ben.  It will be interesting to see when he breaks down and who is blamed if it is premature.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:48 AM

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Matt6999 wrote:
IanWhetstoneDotCom wrote: Will ignoring the fact that in no way did the team "ignore the OL for most of Ben's career" actually cause anybody to buy into your blather?

Are you getting jealous that Joel has gotten so much bolder even than you with the premature self-back-pat maneuver?

The 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts didn't ignore the OL?  In those 3 drafts the highest pick used on an OLman was a 3rd on Urbick as Ben was taking a beating every week.  They then realized their mistake and used a 1, 2, 1 the next 3 drafts.
Thanks to your butt-buddy,  Arians.

Honestly, I have to edit here. This probably came across as terse and I was not wanting it to be read that way. So, I put a comma between butt-buddy and Arians.

 This Offense has a franchise QB, WR, TE, and RB. Now, is that OL going to mature or what?

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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:49 AM

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I'm pretty sure we all understand that you dont care about drafting for value you just care about drafting positions. You've beaten this topic to death.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:50 AM

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CNEW22 wrote: I'm pretty sure we all understand that you dont care about drafting for value you just care about drafting positions. You've beaten this topic to death.

The beatings Roethlisberger has taken is going to be a bigger and bigger story as the years go on.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:54 AM

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Matt6999 wrote:
CNEW22 wrote: I'm pretty sure we all understand that you dont care about drafting for value you just care about drafting positions. You've beaten this topic to death.

The beatings Roethlisberger has taken is going to be a bigger and bigger story as the years go on.
So at least we have your prediction of the effect of Munchack. I like the way you are stepping forward and saying things about recent topics. Good job.

 This Offense has a franchise QB, WR, TE, and RB. Now, is that OL going to mature or what?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:00 AM

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Might even be The Story of 2019. 
Matt6999 wrote:
CNEW22 wrote: I'm pretty sure we all understand that you dont care about drafting for value you just care about drafting positions. You've beaten this topic to death.

The beatings Roethlisberger has taken is going to be a bigger and bigger story as the years go on.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:05 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: The 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts didn't ignore the OL?  In those 3 drafts the highest pick used on an OLman was a 3rd...

So, you've established quite evidently that you don't know what the words "most" or "ignore" mean, and at this point I can't help but doubt that you grasp firmly what "OL" stands for, either.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:09 AM

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IanWhetstoneDotCom wrote:
Matt6999 wrote: The 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts didn't ignore the OL?  In those 3 drafts the highest pick used on an OLman was a 3rd...

So, you've established quite evidently that you don't know what the words "most" or "ignore" mean, and at this point I can't help but doubt that you grasp firmly what "OL" stands for, either.

Ben has been saddled with a below average OL (perhaps the worst a few of those years) for the past 6+ years.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:09 AM

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They absolutely let the OL go, no way to deny that, to be completely honest.

It was reflected not only in Ben getting pounded, but the run game being putrid.

But, Ben is equally responsible for taking the beating he has taken.

WHAT I HAVE SAID all along, he will continue to get sacked at a high rate until HE got tired of it.

People have a hard time understanding this.

The man simply had no fear of getting sacked to this point.   He was big and, well, let's just say lacking in some self survival grey matter.

While they are guilty of letting the OL go, the organization had to act, "retiring" Arians and bringing Haley in to try to force Ben to start to get rid of the ball and not take the hits.

However, I don't buy that the beatings will effect him to any significant extent beyond father time being father time, cause he hasn't shown that.  If he was that beat up, he would be gun shy about getting hit, and he isn't.  And, he really has not suffered that much in terms of major injuries compared to anyone else.

This article was based on the sack numbers, with on real observation of him in reality. 

He looks no worse than any other 32 year old QB at this point.

Terrible pick in round three? 



Joel on Dri Archer - "Terrible pick in Round 3, I think so ... strongly dislike the pick in round three."
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:09 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: cause an early retirement as I predicted in 2008?  He will soon become the most sacked QB ever, let alone the hits and sacks only he avoids.

From PFT on 5 Steeler Questions

1.  How much does Ben Roethlisberger have left?

The Steelers’ only franchise quarterback since Terry Bradshaw turned 32 this year.  But Big Ben is an old 32, with plenty of wear and tear on bones and joints weighed down by a large body and a decade of even larger poundings.   In lieu of giving him another big contract, the Steelers have opted to wait.  By the end of the season, the Steelers will have a much better feel for how well — and for how long — Roethlisberger can keep going as he approaches 35.  It would be a shock if he doesn’t finish his career in Pittsburgh.  The more important question is how much longer does he have until he’s finished.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/10/fi ve-questions-pittsburgh-steelers/

Actually you predicted they would never win a Superbowl.

Nice re-write of history, though.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:12 AM

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Wvette wrote:
 
Actually you predicted they would never win a Superbowl.

Nice re-write of history, though.

Actually, during the 2008 season I said it would be impossible to win a SB with that OL.  Happy I was wrong but Ben's heroics lead them to ignore it again in 2009 and cost us the SB in 2010.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:13 AM

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Da Truth...


Jeff219 wrote:

They absolutely let the OL go, no way to deny that, to be completely honest.

It was reflected not only in Ben getting pounded, but the run game being putrid.

But, Ben is equally responsible for taking the beating he has taken.

WHAT I HAVE SAID all along, he will continue to get sacked at a high rate until HE got tired of it.

People have a hard time understanding this.

The man simply had no fear of getting sacked to this point.   He was big and, well, let's just say lacking in some self survival grey matter.

While they are guilty of letting the OL go, the organization had to act, "retiring" Arians and bringing Haley in to try to force Ben to start to get rid of the ball and not take the hits.

However, I don't buy that the beatings will effect him to any significant extent beyond father time being father time, cause he hasn't shown that.  If he was that beat up, he would be gun shy about getting hit, and he isn't.  And, he really has not suffered that much in terms of major injuries compared to anyone else.

This article was based on the sack numbers, with on real observation of him in reality. 

He looks no worse than any other 32 year old QB at this point.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:16 AM

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Jeff219 wrote:

They absolutely let the OL go, no way to deny that, to be completely honest.

It was reflected not only in Ben getting pounded, but the run game being putrid.

But, Ben is equally responsible for taking the beating he has taken.

WHAT I HAVE SAID all along, he will continue to get sacked at a high rate until HE got tired of it.

People have a hard time understanding this.

The man simply had no fear of getting sacked to this point.   He was big and, well, let's just say lacking in some self survival grey matter.

While they are guilty of letting the OL go, the organization had to act, "retiring" Arians and bringing Haley in to try to force Ben to start to get rid of the ball and not take the hits.

However, I don't buy that the beatings will effect him to any significant extent beyond father time being father time, cause he hasn't shown that.  If he was that beat up, he would be gun shy about getting hit, and he isn't.  And, he really has not suffered that much in terms of major injuries compared to anyone else.

This article was based on the sack numbers, with on real observation of him in reality. 

He looks no worse than any other 32 year old QB at this point.

This ^^^.  Good post, Jeff.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:25 AM

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Wvette wrote:
Matt6999 wrote: cause an early retirement as I predicted in 2008?  He will soon become the most sacked QB ever, let alone the hits and sacks only he avoids.

From PFT on 5 Steeler Questions

1.  How much does Ben Roethlisberger have left?

The Steelers’ only franchise quarterback since Terry Bradshaw turned 32 this year.  But Big Ben is an old 32, with plenty of wear and tear on bones and joints weighed down by a large body and a decade of even larger poundings.   In lieu of giving him another big contract, the Steelers have opted to wait.  By the end of the season, the Steelers will have a much better feel for how well — and for how long — Roethlisberger can keep going as he approaches 35.  It would be a shock if he doesn’t finish his career in Pittsburgh.  The more important question is how much longer does he have until he’s finished.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/10/fi ve-questions-pittsburgh-steelers/

Actually you predicted they would never win a Superbowl.

Nice re-write of history, though.
"They rode Ben till the arms fell off..." You Nitwit. They didn't have to address the OL because of Ben.
Count those Lombardi's "B-Yahtch..."

Hey, when you purchase Matt's boned chickens... "You can be sure he did the job himself..."

 This Offense has a franchise QB, WR, TE, and RB. Now, is that OL going to mature or what?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:31 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: Ben has been saddled with a below average OL (perhaps the worst a few of those years) for the past 6+ years.

And in the past six drafts, they've taken five linemen in the top two rounds.  You see, the arguments that you make must correspond to your own premise, or else it's just trollish bullsh**.
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