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The current lack of talent on this roster

  • Matt6999
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:22 AM

The current lack of talent on this roster 


We have six (6) players on the current roster from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 drafts and 2 of them - Worlids and Allen - are about to leave.  In the end out of 4 drafts that should be our core right now we will have a C, RT, WR1 and a DE out of 33 picks.  That highlights what I have been saying since 2007 about the poor drafting, bad cap management and poor player evaluation and retention. 

It may very well get worse before it gets better.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:29 AM

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You also have been predicting doom every season since 2007.

If you say something long enough you will eventually be right.

At least you decided to start thread on a topic not discussed in about 4 other ongoing threads. Oh wait, never mind.

Attention whores gonna whore.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:32 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: We have six (6) players on the current roster from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 drafts and 2 of them - Worlids and Allen - are about to leave.  In the end out of 4 drafts that should be our core right now we will have a C, RT, WR1 and a DE out of 33 picks.  That highlights what I have been saying since 2007 about the poor drafting, bad cap management and poor player evaluation and retention. 

It may very well get worse before it gets better.
You couldn't have put this in your "bottom out" thread?  Or do you just get your jollies repeating the same tired ......

This draft looks like a gem, right down to big Dan.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:37 AM

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You have to not want to see this team whither on the vine the last 6 or 7 years.  I was just ahead of the curve in sounding the alarm.
Wvette wrote: You also have been predicting doom every season since 2007.

If you say something long enough you will eventually be right.

At least you decided to start thread on a topic not discussed in about 4 other ongoing threads. Oh wait, never mind.

Attention whores gonna whore.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:38 AM

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And I have hope for last years as well.  They need to be homeruns.
Voodoomagoo wrote:
This draft looks like a gem, right down to big Dan.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:38 AM

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You do this sh!t on purpose, Matt?
There was a real "talent issue" on this team the last two years, I don't think anyone could argue that but this team is right back in it this year.
We're good.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:41 AM

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--- Matt6999 wrote:

You have to not want to see this team whither on the vine the last 6 or 7 years.  I was just ahead of the curve in sounding the alarm.
Wvette wrote: You also have been predicting doom every season since 2007.

If you say something long enough you will eventually be right.

At least you decided to start thread on a topic not discussed in about 4 other ongoing threads. Oh wait, never mind.

Attention whores gonna whore.


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Winning a Super Bowl and going to another is "withering on the vine"?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:53 AM

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I reject the notion that there is a "lack of talent' on this roster. 

There are holes, obviously, but they have enough talent to win games.  There are a LOT of teams that would take DeCastro and Pouncey to be the foundation of an OL, and honestly if you can say anything about Adams, he is "talented."  Most OLs have two or three high picks and build from there.

Bell and AB are good to very good "talents" and Wheaton appears to have "talent" at the skill positions, Archer has has talent as a supplementary offensive skill threat.

Ben ... Nuff said at QB.

Heyward is clearly at "talent" at DL, and Tuitt and perhaps McClendon appear to be "talents" there, too.  Worilids, Timmons, Shaz are "talents" at LB, Polo, Mitchell and Shark at "talents" at S.  There are some holes, but EVERY team has some holes.

This is enough "talent" to make the playoffs ...

Terrible pick in round three? 



Joel on Dri Archer - "Terrible pick in Round 3, I think so ... strongly dislike the pick in round three."
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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:54 AM

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This team has been trending down since 2010 and Tomlin and the FO has failed to manage the roster.  Spin how ever you wish, that is the bottom line.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:58 AM

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Hope you are right but pretty much every young player  - Wheaton, Bell, Shazier, Tuitt, JJ, and Mitchell needs to play at a high level for that to happen while hoping the CB's can hold teams to 25 points.
Jeff219 wrote:

This is enough "talent" to make the playoffs ...






Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 8:59 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: This team has been trending down since 2010 and Tomlin and the FO has failed to manage the roster.  Spin how ever you wish, that is the bottom line.
You mean the team peaked with a Superbowl win, and another appearance, and since has yet to see a below .500 season while retooling?

Oh the horror.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:01 AM

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while I usually don't agree with Matt.  I will say I agree that the roster has been thinned out and the depth is just not there like it used to be.  That is a drafting issue.  I mean when you watch the backup offense not move the ball and not score points.  Then the backup D lets other offenses go up and down the field throughout the entire preason there are issues.  If you play vanilla and get walked on your players aren't good enough to make up for it.

These steelers are not Cowhers steelers where you had guys like Porter, Aaron Smith, Kiesel, Foote, Harrison, etc. cutting their teeth on special teams and flashing on the 2nd and 3rd teams and filling in well when a vet went down.

How many people have faith this team will do anything if some of the #1 guys are hurt during the season?

The roster is not devoid of talent, but it is definitely devoid of depth.  I don't see any backups that will challenge starters in coming years.  That was not the case so long ago...
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:04 AM

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Well, Ben has 3-4 more good years.  I'd be pressing it much more than they are.
Wvette wrote:
Matt6999 wrote: This team has been trending down since 2010 and Tomlin and the FO has failed to manage the roster.  Spin how ever you wish, that is the bottom line.
You mean the team peaked with a Superbowl win, and another appearance, and since has yet to see a below .500 season while retooling?

Oh the horror.





Jim Wexell on us not being able to keep Lewis because he wanted to go home:

"I agree with most of this except Lewis wanted to stay.  Big mistake by the FO."


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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:06 AM

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Matt is on point.  The team is not without any talent, but there is a deficit when compared to the best teams.  Perhaps the last two drafts will yield great talent...

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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:09 AM

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Talent, coaching, whatever it is, the franchise has been in decline since Tomlin got here. The Superbowl Tomlin won, that was Cowhers guys. Had Cowher stayed, Ben would have had two more Superbowls.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:13 AM

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The Steelers did something very well for years. Have one of the best 53 man rosters most years. Cowher and early in Tomlins years you had the kind of roster that offered development, depth and competition. Now this roster lacks depth, talent and time for young prospects to develop. It may take another draft or two to get there. My issue is who is now calling the shots. Until the necessary changes are made, hold off on the silver polish.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:36 AM

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This team has lost its stockpile of talent for sure. This team used to be loaded and the next man up was always waiting in the wings ready to step in when his number was called. Now, we have holes all over the field and no depth to speak of whatsoever. Bad drafts and bad personnel management got us here.
'My son asked my "what were you thinking?' in regards to the onside kick. I told him to shut up." - Coach Mike Tomlin
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:44 AM

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We began trending downwards in 2011 despite having a winning year that year.
when you look closer at our wins in that season and how players were performing, that was not that good of a team and we saw it in the 2011 playoffs.
We continued downward in 2012 and bottomed out in 2013 when we had such studs as Jonathan Dwyer and Isaac Redman in the backfield and our old players continued getting older.
The notion that anything could have happened if we would have made the playoffs last year was some of the dumbest things that I've ever read on this website. We were a very average team with a terrific QB and an exciting young WR in Brown, that's it, that is all we had.
Saying that, this team has taken a huge step forward with the guys that we've drafted the last two years and the guys that we signed this past offseason.
Is this a 12-4 team? No, it is not but there is no reason why we cannot win 10 games and scare some team in the playoffs.
Anyone that says that this team is still trending downwards doesn't know what a f-ing trend is.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:44 AM

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Matt6999 wrote: We have six (6) players on the current roster from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 drafts and 2 of them - Worlids and Allen - are about to leave.  In the end out of 4 drafts that should be our core right now we will have a C, RT, WR1 and a DE out of 33 picks.  That highlights what I have been saying since 2007 about the poor drafting, bad cap management and poor player evaluation and retention. 

It may very well get worse before it gets better.
If we had an average QB even the bright red cool aid drinkers would have to admit this.

Teams are built through the draft.  If a team only had 6 ( soon to be 4 ) players from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, tough times are ahead as these are veterans in their prime!

Combine older players like Taylor, Miller and Polamalu who will be retired in 2-4 seasons and the Tomlin / Colbert combination is not exactly a bridge over troubled water.
 "Bell has the skills to be a top 5 starting running back. "  - 8-29-14.  Jeff219
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:47 AM

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IS this gonna be the best team in the AFC?
No, but this team will begin showing that the Steelers are back this year and are replenishing the ranks.
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