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Is steeler drafting this poor or is it poor coaching ?

Posted: 8/21/2014 10:43 PM

Is steeler drafting this poor or is it poor coaching ? 


  1. It is beginning to be evident that Jarvis Jones is a bust, that Wheaton will be a bust, that Adams is a bust, that Cortez Allen instead of building off of his rookie season has digressed and has gotten worse?   Many of steeler players just seem to not improve and look unmotivated and without direction.
    Steelers coaching staff has become outdated as steelers players look like they are running in quicksand and schemes are so predictable.  Know its only a preseason game but until steelers get a new coaching staff expect this team to disbeliefbe stuck in mediocrity.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:49 PM

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I am not ready to call Wheaton a bust; I still think there's a lot to work with.  Ben was bad tonight, and it's clear that he and Wheaton aren't on the same page just yet.

As for Jones, yeah, I think you're right.  I am about to consider him a bust as well.  The dude gets engulfed at the line of scrimmage. Sucks!  We really needed him to become a factor, but I just don't see it happening now.

A life of frustration is inevitable for any coach whose main enjoyment is winning.
-- Chuck Noll

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:49 PM

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I'm not ready to declare JJ or Wheaton busts just yet but they both have a lot to prove this year. This will be Wheaton's first real opportunity, and JJ should be more comfortable in his 2nd year as a starter. But I agree that both have failed to live up to the early expectation during their rookie seasons. JJ looked particularly horrible tonight vs. Eagles but he had a lot of company. Other than Timmons and maybe Troy, I can't think of anyone else on the starting D that even looked remotely good.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:51 PM

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jarvis will be replaced by moats sooner or later.  i see TE manhandling him, and doubt he can beat a tackle not named charlie brown.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:01 PM

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coalregionstiller wrote: jarvis will be replaced by moats sooner or later.  i see TE manhandling him, and doubt he can beat a tackle not named charlie brown.
Disagree.  I bet he could throw Mike Adams through the wall. Other than that..... you might be right.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:03 PM

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Jarvis Jones will not be in the NFL in 5 years.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:14 PM

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Missing so badly on Jones and Adams is one of the primary reasons this team looked so bad tonight. Beachum should not be starting but because Adams has been a bust to date, he is.

As for Jones, this team badly needs a playmaker at OLB, especially with their suspect CBs, but Jones is not close to being a playmaker and I have to believe if it were not for him being a mid first round pick just last season he wouldn't even be starting. When you miss on a mid first rounder and your second rounder can't beat out a 7th rounder, you end up with performances like we saw tonight.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:16 PM

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not calling whaeton a bust, but whats his actual ceiling?

his speed and moves dont suggest anything spectacualr. if he is the starter at WR2, then he'll be one of the worse #2s in the league
......"His lack of response told me all I needed to know. He has no connection to Duke, the Steelers, etc. and is nothing more than a frontrunning d***e with the emotional stability of a teenage girl"......
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:17 PM

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I think the players are trying their best ; i think the blame lies in scouting and drafting quality athletes. Coaches can only work with what they are provided by the FO and, if tonight is a true indicator of this team's talent level--its going to be a long season..Philadelphia controlled the line of scrimmage from the opening snap and ran the ball like the steeler teams of old....So if what we witnessed is what we see through the year, I'd place the blame at the feet of Kevin Colbert then Mike Tomlin next................Again, it may have been just a bad game by the entire team, but this outing may also indicate the Steelers are no better than last season...Philadelphia looks like a playoff team and certainly the best team in the NFC East...

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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:19 PM

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dstep wrote: Missing so badly on Jones and Adams is one of the primary reasons this team looked so bad tonight. Beachum should not be starting but because Adams has been a bust to date, he is.

As for Jones, this team badly needs a playmaker at OLB, especially with their suspect CBs, but Jones is not close to being a playmaker and I have to believe if it were not for him being a mid first round pick just last season he wouldn't even be starting. When you miss on a mid first rounder and your second rounder can't beat out a 7th rounder, you end up with performances like we saw tonight.
100% dead on!  And this franchise ends up being what we have seen the past two seasons - nothing more than an 8-8 team.  Mediocrity at its finest!  That's what happens when your drafts are suspect.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:23 PM

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gardnsheels wrote: I think the players are trying their best ; i think the blame lies in scouting and drafting quality athletes. Coaches can only work with what they are provided by the FO and, if tonight is a true indicator of this team's talent level--its going to be a long season..Philadelphia controlled the line of scrimmage from the opening snap and ran the ball like the steeler teams of old....So if what we witnessed is what we see through the year, I'd place the blame at the feet of Kevin Colbert then Mike Tomlin next................Again, it may have been just a bad game by the entire team, but this outing may also indicate the Steelers are no better than last season...Philadelphia looks like a playoff team and certainly the best team in the NFC East...
Don't worry about blaming anyone if this mess continues in the regular season.  If Tomlin goes 8-8 again he is finished.  Art, Jr does not seem to be as patient as his old man or grandfather.  

I am trying to stay positive though and I really think tonight was just a bad day all the way around.  It happens.  I thought our #1 O looked good in the first two games and our D is going to be a work in progress early in the season regardless.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:23 PM

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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:28 PM

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i don't worry about wheaton.
Pitt43Steel wrote: not calling whaeton a bust, but whats his actual ceiling?

his speed and moves dont suggest anything spectacualr. if he is the starter at WR2, then he'll be one of the worse #2s in the league
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:29 PM

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Wheaton is a bust because he dropped one pass tonight after a training camp in which he got nothing but rave reviews and a good start with the first two preseason games? Is he one of the worst #2s in the same way that AB could never be a starter in this league?

I think thats an unfair assesment
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:30 PM

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They threw the ball in 3 seconds or less. Tough to get any kind of pass rush

Eagles offense looked great but I think everyone mailed it in tonight. I'll have to watch JJ again but I'm not sure how many rush chances he had given the pace

But overall Tomlin seems to struggle to get guys to be competitive. Seems like he assumes we can flip a switch. Either that or we've got too many chumps that need to go

I see attitude more than talent but who knows after a performance like tonight
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:32 PM

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You all realize Jarvis was going up against Peterson, one of the Best LT's in the business.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:36 PM

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kentuckysteeler wrote: They threw the ball in 3 seconds or less. Tough to get any kind of pass rush

Eagles offense looked great but I think everyone mailed it in tonight. I'll have to watch JJ again but I'm not sure how many rush chances he had given the pace

But overall Tomlin seems to struggle to get guys to be competitive. Seems like he assumes we can flip a switch. Either that or we've got too many chumps that need to go

I see attitude more than talent but who knows after a performance like tonight
This is what has concerned me about Tomlin for the past few years now.  Far too many times now the Steelers have gotten physically dominated.  Cowher had his share of tough years and some questionable losses but rarely, IF EVER did you see one of his teams lose the physical battle.  That is what has changed more than anything under Tomlin.  It seems like that edge and toughness is gone and you can't "flip a switch" to get it.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:43 PM

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will he do better vs whitworth, joe thomas, or monroe?
Steelers1356 wrote: You all realize Jarvis was going up against Peterson, one of the Best LT's in the business.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:45 PM

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they threw the ball in 3 seconds or less because they had guys open in less time than that,  so our genius d-cord. plays our putrid cb and slot db off the line and invites the quick throw and then complain cause the rush can't get to the qb..lol. what qb in their right mind is going to hold the ball when he has so many receivers open in such a short time knowing our girls in the secondary can,t tackle or play the ball. hell, taylor had 5 penalty s tonight, plus completions too.
kentuckysteeler wrote: They threw the ball in 3 seconds or less. Tough to get any kind of pass rush

Eagles offense looked great but I think everyone mailed it in tonight. I'll have to watch JJ again but I'm not sure how many rush chances he had given the pace

But overall Tomlin seems to struggle to get guys to be competitive. Seems like he assumes we can flip a switch. Either that or we've got too many chumps that need to go

I see attitude more than talent but who knows after a performance like tonight
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:48 PM

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actually he played against journeyman gardner the second half. And got manhandled
coalregionstiller wrote: will he do better vs whitworth, joe thomas, or monroe?
Steelers1356 wrote: You all realize Jarvis was going up against Peterson, one of the Best LT's in the business.

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