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Mike Adams vs. Guy Whimper for backup swing tackle

  • NJKevin
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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:00 AM

Mike Adams vs. Guy Whimper for backup swing tackle 


Let me start this thread by saying I would NOT cut Adams. I view him as a developmental type player even though he was a second round pick that hasn't performed like we hoped so far. He still has a lot of potential.

Now with that said, forget where the players were drafted. On game day is Guy Whimper currently the better swing tackle? Tough question. I am leaning towards saying yes he currently is the better backup. While I watch a lot of football, I realize that there are people on here that watch much more football then I do. Curious on your thoughts on this. I personally don't think Adams will ever be able to play left tackle (too slow from what I have watched and I don't think that is a coachable trait).  I do think he could possibly develop into a right tackle and still has some upside due to his size and strength.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:13 AM

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This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:15 AM

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Yep, he has all the looks of a high rounder who flat gets cut in camp at this point ...

Only saving grace may be that there is nothing behind the starters.

Terrible pick in round three? 



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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:21 AM

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ECboy wrote: This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
my thoughts as well.  does the three Ol coaches in three hurt a guy like Adams who can run block but seemingly can't pass pro?
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Posted: 8/5/2014 8:34 AM

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littleducecoupe wrote:
ECboy wrote: This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
my thoughts as well.  does the three Ol coaches in three hurt a guy like Adams who can run block but seemingly can't pass pro?
It's constantly technical issues with him from the sounds of it.
He doesn't get his arms up in pass-pro.
How many fricking times do you, as a player, need to be told to do something before a coach just throws his hands up in the air and says "f-k it, go play somewhere else".
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:10 AM

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I am pretty sure Adams rookie contract goes thru next year. So I think he will be with the team this year and next. I don't think he will be cut.


However, I do wonder if we would be better served (at least initially) having Whimper be our backup swing tackle on Sundays. I know Whimper can fill in at right tackle, but unsure about left tackle. These preseason games are going to mean a lot for Adams because it seems like most camp reports have been indicating poor play from him.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:24 AM

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ECboy wrote: This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
I agree that it's Munchak's call. If he gives up on him then he'll be cut, but we haven't heard that yet. As long as the coach thinks he can develop him I'll accept his judgement. The OPs question is a fair one though and I would say Whimper on the left and Adams on the right for now.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:26 AM

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Based on reports and last year's performance, I would go with Whimper (unless you need an extra tackle in a goal-line situation).

But I wouldn't cut Adams. He is cheap, has the physical tools, and is an above average run blocker. Give him at least a year with Munchak. Plus, what developmental tackles are there behind him that are any better?
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:37 AM

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Hannibal2121 wrote: Based on reports and last year's performance, I would go with Whimper (unless you need an extra tackle in a goal-line situation).

But I wouldn't cut Adams. He is cheap, has the physical tools, and is an above average run blocker. Give him at least a year with Munchak. Plus, what developmental tackles are there behind him that are any better?
Good point...
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:56 AM

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It's about sending a message. Improve or find somewhere else.

Been following camp since mid 70's. I've never heard someone getting beat so much.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:56 AM

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ECboy wrote: This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
That's the bottom line IMO. Thankfully we have Munchak so we can throw out the theory that maybe it's the coaching staff that's the problem.

I went to look at Adams' draft profile out of curiousity, and while no analyst is right 100% of the time, most had him listed as a 1st-2nd round pick:

Mayock's take: "He would've been a first-round pick had he not failed the drug test at the combine. He's got left-tackle feet. There's some off-the-field issues, but he's a gifted left tackle. Now with him and David DeCastro in the first round, this is a completely different offensive line."

Multiple sites listed pass protection as one of his strengths which seems hard to believe, and the common negative theme is he doesn't have the mental toughness and seems to not have the passion for the game - what a waste of someone who has the physical tools to play in the NFL.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:36 AM

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steelerinDC wrote:
ECboy wrote: This is Adams third year and the fact that he's having what sounds like a troubling camp under quite possibly the best o-line coach in the league, ain't good.
Maybe I'm misreading the camp reports but it doesn't sound good for Adams.
After three poor seasons this teams needs the guys who are performing, I don't care about "potential".
Saying that, I thought after the handful of games that Adams played during his rookie year showed that he was gonna be a pretty good player but he's fallen off the map and we haven't exactly been stocked with future HOF'ers on the o-line the last three years.
If Munchak says this guy (Adams) can't play then I trust his judgment.
That's the bottom line IMO. Thankfully we have Munchak so we can throw out the theory that maybe it's the coaching staff that's the problem.

I went to look at Adams' draft profile out of curiousity, and while no analyst is right 100% of the time, most had him listed as a 1st-2nd round pick:

Mayock's take: "He would've been a first-round pick had he not failed the drug test at the combine. He's got left-tackle feet. There's some off-the-field issues, but he's a gifted left tackle. Now with him and David DeCastro in the first round, this is a completely different offensive line."

Multiple sites listed pass protection as one of his strengths which seems hard to believe, and the common negative theme is he doesn't have the mental toughness and seems to not have the passion for the game - what a waste of someone who has the physical tools to play in the NFL.
Wow. That is interesting that pass blocking was a strength... I think Mayock is a pretty bright guy and good analyst as well.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:50 AM

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This is professional sports gentlemen - you just can't hold roster spots because of draft status.  That may be good for one or two seasons but when you're coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons - and there's an added sense of urgency, Mike Adams just doesn't get a secured spot because of his draft status, physical prowess or his potential...you better be able to play or go get ready for your life's work.   If he's getting beat this bad in his third year maybe he just can't play.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:52 AM

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I don't know or care enough about the OL to make a decision but logic says if it's close or we are only going to keep one, it should be Adams, given his age and still having upside potential. 

That said, Colbert mentioned Whimper on NFL radio the other day as being a good swing backup.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:17 AM

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Their battle is on the depth chart, not the roster. Big difference
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:27 AM

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Actually, if he makes the roster (which I believe will happen), Wesley Johnson would get a hat before either Adams or Whimper as they're strickly OTs, whereas he can back-up multiple positions along the offensive line.

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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:29 AM

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303vsND wrote: This is professional sports gentlemen - you just can't hold roster spots because of draft status.  That may be good for one or two seasons but when you're coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons - and there's an added sense of urgency, Mike Adams just doesn't get a secured spot because of his draft status, physical prowess or his potential...you better be able to play or go get ready for your life's work.   If he's getting beat this bad in his third year maybe he just can't play.
Exactly.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:31 AM

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Mike Munchak has been on the job for six months. He didn't get to the NFL by giving up on things after six months.

I'm unsurprised by camp reports that Adams is getting wrecked. It is likely Munchak that came to Pittsburgh, saw a decade's worth of bad habits that result from coasting on physical talent, and took him back to kindergarten. He's starting from scratch. Of course he regressed.

Bill Walsh and John McVay traded a round-2 and a round-4 pick for a talented guy named Steve Young who had failed to crack 54 percent completions in two years with the Buccaneers. And he failed at that task for two more years. Eventually he became a Hall of Famer.

Not saying Mike Adams is Steve Young, but it took two years to "fix" Steve Young. It took 18 months for Tiger Woods to get back to where he left off each of the times he tore apart his swing. Munchak's been on the job for six months, and, what, two or three weeks of that has been actual on-field work? And, since Adams is not "fixed" yet, it's time to cut him?

It's more likely than not that the Mike Adams reclamation project fails. But expecting huge dividends this soon is optimistic beyond reason. Correcting bad habits takes time and effort. A year from now, you might have a tackle with the ideal frame, no bad habits, and a newfound work ethic born of the effort it takes to start over from scratch and then play catch-up. Or you might have a tall guy still flailing around in the dark. But you actually have to put in the time to find out.

I'm much mistaken if Mike Munchak became arguably the preeminent line coach in football by giving up on a player after seven months, which is how much time he'll have had with Adams when the 53-man roster is set.  

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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:36 AM

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Aeryck wrote: Their battle is on the depth chart, not the roster. Big difference
How many OL do we typically keep. I would agree, both will make it. 

5 starters
Wallace
Adams
Whimper
Johnson

Do we keep 9 or 10? Or 8?
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:40 AM

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Dress 7 I think they mentioned.
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