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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:23 PM

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Don't even like to think about the possibility. But it'd probably be the best thing that could happen for the kid. Doesn't look like he's ever going to get a real shot here. Good luck to him. He deserves a chance. Too bad. This is one of the biggest reasons why I didn't want Chip Kelly as our HC.

Report: Kansas City Chiefs interested in trading for Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles

Eagles quarterback Nick Foles. (Mel Evans/AP)
Eagles quarterback Nick Foles. (Mel Evans/AP)
Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 8:35 PM
According to Mike Garafolo of USA Today, the Kansas City Chiefs are interested in trading for Eagles quarterback Nick Foles.

Garafolo's report comes after the announcement that the Birds signed former Oregon Ducks quarterback Dennis Dixon, who spent his first three NFL seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers, to a two-year contract. Dixon played quarterback at Oregon while new Eagles coach Chip Kelly was the Ducks' offensive coordinator.

The report states that "the Chiefs and new coach Andy Reid are interested in acquiring Foles if he becomes available, according to a person informed of the team's thinking."

"The person informed of the Chiefs' plans said the Eagles have not told Kansas City that Foles is available," Garafolo writes....
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Report_ Kansas_City_Chiefs_interested_in_trading_for_Phila delphia_Eagles_quarterback_Nick_Foles.html?mr=1&am p;am p;am p;am p;submit=Vote&oid=2&pid=191325091&cid= 8500281&191325091=Y

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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:30 AM

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Dixons a stopgap as well as Vick, Kelly's guy obviously isnt there and it's all becoming more and more unfortunate for Foles which is ashame.  More likely than not he wont get a fair shot here but that's not to say he won't get a fair shot, he just doesnt have the mobility to run Kelly's offense as oppossed to Vick and Dixon.  The upside to it all is it puts us in a spot where we can grab a higher scouted talent whether it be we get their second rounder or move up to the #1 pick or a combination of the two.  Let's be real though at least it's looking like good ol' Trent will be here to man the ship and maybe sail us off into the sunset.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:47 AM

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1shaneshort wrote: Dixons a stopgap as well as Vick, Kelly's guy obviously isnt there and it's all becoming more and more unfortunate for Foles which is ashame.  More likely than not he wont get a fair shot here but that's not to say he won't get a fair shot, he just doesnt have the mobility to run Kelly's offense as oppossed to Vick and Dixon.  The upside to it all is it puts us in a spot where we can grab a higher scouted talent whether it be we get their second rounder or move up to the #1 pick or a combination of the two.  Let's be real though at least it's looking like good ol' Trent will be here to man the ship and maybe sail us off into the sunset.
Every time that I think of suffering through another mediocre year with Mike Vick as our fearless leader, and the Vick clones that are waiting in the wings to take over, the better that Big Ben and those terrible towels are starting to look to me. I'm beginning to really dislike Chip Kelly, and he hasn't even coached a game in the NFL yet. And I'm beginning to dislike Jeffy and Howie even more for hiring him in the first place. I thought that when Andy left we were going to clean house and hit reset, and it just doesn't feel that way. I feel like the Bill Murray character in the movie "Groundhog Day".

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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:42 AM

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The return that we could get on a Foles trade seems to be more beneficial to the future of the franchise than having him compete here knowing that he doesnt fit into Kellys system.  All in all it seems that Kelly isn't confident that foles can get it done here; although Foles is still here and isn't guaranteed to go anywhere.  Its just an assumption he'll be moved before the season ecspecially with the acquisiton of Dixon.  You know what they say about assumptions don't you?  Vick being here at this point was our only viable option and still has the skillset to lead us to a potentially winning season
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:50 AM

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Foles will be traded...all the 'no plans to trade Foles' reporting is just posturing.    He will go to KC for their 2nd rounder - bank on it.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:12 PM

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1shaneshort wrote: The return that we could get on a Foles trade seems to be more beneficial to the future of the franchise than having him compete here knowing that he doesnt fit into Kellys system.  All in all it seems that Kelly isn't confident that foles can get it done here; although Foles is still here and isn't guaranteed to go anywhere.  Its just an assumption he'll be moved before the season ecspecially with the acquisiton of Dixon.  You know what they say about assumptions don't you?  Vick being here at this point was our only viable option and still has the skillset to lead us to a potentially winning season
Yeah. I know what they're saying, and I see what they're doing. I prefer to believe what I'm seeing. And that has trade written all over it. And if Vick is our only option we're screwed. He wasn't as good as Foles last year, and he won't be as good as him this year. He'll fail again. And Kelly will get ripped apart by the fans for going with him.

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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:26 PM

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TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Foles will be traded...all the 'no plans to trade Foles' reporting is just posturing.    He will go to KC for their 2nd rounder - bank on it.
I agree. That's the way it looks. Don't know what we're going to get for him, but I think he's as good as gone. And Kelly had better hope that he comes out of the gate with all guns blazing if he goes with Vick again. I don't think that he realizes how many fans there are out there who are fed up, and never want to see Vick start another game in an Eagles uniform. This isn't a new start. Simply the same horse with a different jockey. And black and gold are pretty nice colors.

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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:40 PM

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Eagles1976 wrote:
TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Foles will be traded...all the 'no plans to trade Foles' reporting is just posturing.    He will go to KC for their 2nd rounder - bank on it.
I agree. That's the way it looks. Don't know what we're going to get for him, but I think he's as good as gone. And Kelly had better hope that he comes out of the gate with all guns blazing if he goes with Vick again. I don't think that he realizes how many fans there are out there who are fed up, and never want to see Vick start another game in an Eagles uniform. This isn't a new start. Simply the same horse with a different jockey. And black and gold are pretty nice colors.
Go be black and gold then; were green here, always will be you fair weather shmuck. Constantly negative........Maybe Foles isnt as good as gone, maybe Trent Edwards is gone and Foles will get a shot here time will tell and if he is or isn't so be it.  I don't think you realize the entire fanbase doesnt view the Vick situation as you, and those who don't are intellectually inferior to you because we overlook the stats from the last year and a half.  It is a new start, its a new season new coach and there will be new personnel.  Your constantly posting how its hopeless because vicks on the roster, which is an assumption an educated guess at best.  He may not even start who knows but I for one whether he is or isn't won't go root for another team or even mention it.  Don't talk about it be about it.  Your old enough to know that at this point.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:37 PM

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1shaneshort wrote:
Go be black and gold then; were green here, always will be you fair weather shmuck.
You learned a new word 1brainshort. That's encouraging.

Constantly negative........
Realistic is the word, 1brainshort. Having a little problem being away from your happy place aren't you?

Maybe Foles isnt as good as gone, maybe Trent Edwards is gone and Foles will get a shot here time will tell and if he is or isn't so be it.  I don't think you realize the entire fanbase doesnt view the Vick situation as you,
Great. I never said that they did. That would make me as stupid as you. Because there are obviously a few on this board who don't have the same view as me. But if you've deluded yourself into believing that there aren't a lot of fans that feel just like me or worse, you're simply not reading enough.

and those who don't are intellectually inferior to you because we overlook the stats from the last year and a half.  It is a new start, its a new season new coach and there will be new personnel.  Your constantly posting how its hopeless because vicks on the roster, which is an assumption an educated guess at best.
Correct. Based on 2 years of pretty solid evidence. You might like to ignore it. I won't.
Progress with Mike Vick as defined by you.
2010, 10-6

2011, 8-8
2012, 4-12
Might be good enough for you, but I don't like it.

He may not even start who knows but I for one whether he is or isn't won't go root for another team or even mention it.  Don't talk about it be about it.  Your old enough to know that at this point.
What do you think the odds are that I'd take any advice from you? If you don't like it, the solution's simple, don't read it. Or get off the board. Then you'll be able to get back to your happy place. But I'll make my own decisions without any help from you.



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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:56 PM

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Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote:
Go be black and gold then; were green here, always will be you fair weather shmuck.
You learned a new word 1brainshort. That's encouraging.
Yea I did but the one your referring to I learned 20 years ago so big whoop

Constantly negative........
Realistic is the word, 1brainshort. Having a little problem being away from your happy place aren't you?
Maybe but still negative.  Happiness isn't a place pal

Maybe Foles isnt as good as gone, maybe Trent Edwards is gone and Foles will get a shot here time will tell and if he is or isn't so be it.  I don't think you realize the entire fanbase doesnt view the Vick situation as you,
Great. I never said that they did. That would make me as stupid as you. Because there are obviously a few on this board who don't have the same view as me. But if you've deluded yourself into believing that there aren't a lot of fans that feel just like me or worse, you're simply not reading enough.
I never said you did but you argue as though you do it's called reading between the lines.  I know that more than not feel as you do, that doesnt make either said right or change the fact he's here and may not even start so why consume yourself in it.  Which is fine do that but you drag others into a constant disagreement with you.  Why can't you just make a point state your feelings and let others do the same you turn everything into a debate and try to demean others when all is said and done.  Are you real tough or something? Are you just starving for attention?  Do you just have no friends because of your constant urge to try and humiliate people for your own ego?  I don't know or care to but I do know that your pretty pathetic IMO.  

and those who don't are intellectually inferior to you because we overlook the stats from the last year and a half.  It is a new start, its a new season new coach and there will be new personnel.  Your constantly posting how its hopeless because vicks on the roster, which is an assumption an educated guess at best.
Correct. Based on 2 years of pretty solid evidence. You might like to ignore it. I won't.
Progress with Mike Vick as defined by you.
2010, 10-6

2011, 8-8
2012, 4-12
Might be good enough for you, but I don't like it.
well thanks for the records for the past 3 years looks like a winning season a losing season and dead in the middle.  We all know you dont like it thats not gonna change the current situation get over it or at least move the f*ck on.  Regardless of your perception of Vick the offense was banged up last season and our line performed poorly it wasn't solely one man

He may not even start who knows but I for one whether he is or isn't won't go root for another team or even mention it.  Don't talk about it be about it.  Your old enough to know that at this point.
What do you think the odds are that I'd take any advice from you? If you don't like it, the solution's simple, don't read it. Or get off the board. Then you'll be able to get back to your happy place. But I'll make my own decisions without any help from you.
It's wasnt advice hence the Your old enough to know that at this point part.  Or just don't be a broken record, or be one; stay in your "happy place".  Your just lame and your repetition starts to point to nothing other than you not knowing sh*t and just not liking Vick.  Like I've stated you offer no other perspective other than hes here hes starting and we are gonna be horrible.  There's plenty of other things to discuss this offseason you continue to focus on one man and someone who's gonna be here at that, insane.  More or less just making it seem like you don't know a f*cking thing other than Vick had a bad year.  I think i'll prefer to come and go as I please theres other posters that offer knowledgeable points of view and give good info and analysis.  Happiness isn't a place maybe for an ego maniac like you it is.  I was offering no help to you just noticed that you talk out your ass and like to bait people into a petty argument with you because your more than likely lonely and miserable.  You've pretty much chalked up this season for the Eagles don't value Kellys coaching ability before weve even had a practice yet a game and mentioned a few times how your gonna be a steelers fan so to stay and post here with your negative outlook and one way bullsh*t is just a hope to bait someone and argue with the petty attempt to make them miserable or post negative sh*t hoping someone agrees with you so you have someone on your negative lonely side all in all feeding your ego because your so close minded you post records and a stat sheet and than wage a bunch of personnel attacks when someone disagrees with the numbers and looks beyond them


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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:28 PM

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1shaneshort wrote:
Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote:
Go be black and gold then; were green here, always will be you fair weather shmuck.
You learned a new word 1brainshort. That's encouraging.
Yea I did but the one your referring to I learned 20 years ago so big whoop
Let me be the first to congratulate you on your great accomplishment. rolleyes

Constantly negative........
Realistic is the word, 1brainshort. Having a little problem being away from your happy place aren't you?
Maybe but still negative.  Happiness isn't a place pal
1. happy place 205 up, 40 down
place inside all of us where we are all happy and get the warm fuzzies. our happy places are insulated from the shitheads that make up just about everyone we encounter.
i'm in my happy place and i'm not mad at the world anymore!
2. happy place 116 up, 33 down
The mental state achieved when one wants to avoid the unpleasant or uncomfortble. Everyone's happy place is different, and usually consists of the things that make them joyous.
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Maybe Foles isnt as good as gone, maybe Trent Edwards is gone and Foles will get a shot here time will tell and if he is or isn't so be it.  I don't think you realize the entire fanbase doesnt view the Vick situation as you,
Great. I never said that they did. That would make me as stupid as you. Because there are obviously a few on this board who don't have the same view as me. But if you've deluded yourself into believing that there aren't a lot of fans that feel just like me or worse, you're simply not reading enough.
I never said you did but you argue as though you do it's called reading between the lines.
Maybe you should stop that. It's making you look stupid.
I know that more than not feel as you do, that doesnt make either said right or change the fact he's here and may not even start so why consume yourself in it.  Which is fine do that but you drag others into a constant disagreement with you.  Why can't you just make a point state your feelings and let others do the same you turn everything into a debate and try to demean others when all is said and done.  Are you real tough or something? Are you just starving for attention?  Do you just have no friends because of your constant urge to try and humiliate people for your own ego?  I don't know or care to but I do know that your pretty pathetic IMO.  
And yet you're still dumb enough to be sending me posts in spite of all that, huh?
and those who don't are intellectually inferior to you because we overlook the stats from the last year and a half.  It is a new start, its a new season new coach and there will be new personnel.  Your constantly posting how its hopeless because vicks on the roster, which is an assumption an educated guess at best.
Correct. Based on 2 years of pretty solid evidence. You might like to ignore it. I won't.
Progress with Mike Vick as defined by you.
2010, 10-6

2011, 8-8
2012, 4-12
Might be good enough for you, but I don't like it.
well thanks for the records for the past 3 years looks like a winning season a losing season and dead in the middle. 
Did you manage to detect a pattern there?
We all know you dont like it thats not gonna change the current situation get over it or at least move the f*ck on.  Regardless of your perception of Vick the offense was banged up last season and our line performed poorly it wasn't solely one man
They were pretty good in 2011. Vick still sucked.
He may not even start who knows but I for one whether he is or isn't won't go root for another team or even mention it.  Don't talk about it be about it.  Your old enough to know that at this point.
What do you think the odds are that I'd take any advice from you? If you don't like it, the solution's simple, don't read it. Or get off the board. Then you'll be able to get back to your happy place. But I'll make my own decisions without any help from you.
It's wasnt advice hence the Your old enough to know that at this point part.  Or just don't be a broken record, or be one; stay in your "happy place".  Your just lame and your repetition starts to point to nothing other than you not knowing sh*t and just not liking Vick.  Like I've stated you offer no other perspective other than hes here hes starting and we are gonna be horrible.  There's plenty of other things to discuss this offseason you continue to focus on one man and someone who's gonna be here at that, insane.  More or less just making it seem like you don't know a f*cking thing other than Vick had a bad year.  I think i'll prefer to come and go as I please theres other posters that offer knowledgeable points of view and give good info and analysis.  Happiness isn't a place maybe for an ego maniac like you it is.  I was offering no help to you just noticed that you talk out your ass and like to bait people into a petty argument with you because your more than likely lonely and miserable.  You've pretty much chalked up this season for the Eagles don't value Kellys coaching ability before weve even had a practice yet a game and mentioned a few times how your gonna be a steelers fan so to stay and post here with your negative outlook and one way bullsh*t is just a hope to bait someone and argue with the petty attempt to make them miserable or post negative sh*t hoping someone agrees with you so you have someone on your negative lonely side all in all feeding your ego because your so close minded you post records and a stat sheet and than wage a bunch of personnel attacks when someone disagrees with the numbers and looks beyond them
Awful wordy to say nothing of value there, aren't you? Real repetitive too. The solution is simple for you. Stop reading or posting me. Or get off the board.


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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:34 PM

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I'm not getting into all that with you.  your just a douchebag I feel sorry for you
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I don't understand what makes folks so sure they know what Chip Kelly's "system" is.  What makes people so sure that he's going to run in Philadelphia the same thing he ran in Oregon?  Everything I have heard him say indicates to me that he is going to install whatever system he needs to take advantage of his personnel.  If he doesn't, then he's the Mike D'Antoni of football coaches, but that's a risk for any new coach.  He has always spoken highly of Foles (they played in the same conference), and his new coaching staff all appear to be talking off the same page.

I'm sure it's a possibility that Vick will start, but I'd be surprised if that were any more than a one-year arrangement, and I don't think it's anything near a sure thing.  Given the options, however, bringing him back seems like a smart move.  There aren't really any other viable options with serious NFL experience, and the draft seems thin at QB, at least at the top.  I'm willing to give Kelly the benefit of the doubt here, at least until we see how he runs his camp, and if he walks the same way he talks.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:51 PM

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He's going to end up in KC. We will have Vick for one year until Kelly gets his system in place. It doesn't matter who is at QB, it will take a year to get things going and fix the D. We won't be able to just convert to a 3-4 (if that is what we are doing) in one year and expect the D to  be a top 5 D. We will be going through another subpar year.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:01 PM

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paulman0005 wrote: I don't understand what makes folks so sure they know what Chip Kelly's "system" is.  What makes people so sure that he's going to run in Philadelphia the same thing he ran in Oregon?  Everything I have heard him say indicates to me that he is going to install whatever system he needs to take advantage of his personnel.  If he doesn't, then he's the Mike D'Antoni of football coaches, but that's a risk for any new coach.  He has always spoken highly of Foles (they played in the same conference), and his new coaching staff all appear to be talking off the same page.

I'm sure it's a possibility that Vick will start, but I'd be surprised if that were any more than a one-year arrangement, and I don't think it's anything near a sure thing.  Given the options, however, bringing him back seems like a smart move.  There aren't really any other viable options with serious NFL experience, and the draft seems thin at QB, at least at the top.  I'm willing to give Kelly the benefit of the doubt here, at least until we see how he runs his camp, and if he walks the same way he talks.
That's pretty much the same way that I saw things. I was beginning to think that I must've been missing something. Seemed like everywhere I looked everybody was conceding that Mike Vick was the perfect fit for Kelly's O. And I wasn't getting that out of what Kelly's been saying since he got here. From what he's been saying Vick's a terrible fit. He runs fast. Big deal. If that's the standard why not start DJax or Shady? Foles certainly wouldn't have a chance against him in a foot race. But he reads the D better, gets the ball out quicker, and moves around in the pocket better than Vick. I got two real good posts from a couple of Ducks fans yesterday. I'm beginning to think that there might be more reason for optimism than I was seeing before that. Nice post. It was getting pretty tough to find people that I could agree with for a while there.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:12 PM

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yankeeboy1046 wrote: He's going to end up in KC. We will have Vick for one year until Kelly gets his system in place. It doesn't matter who is at QB, it will take a year to get things going and fix the D. We won't be able to just convert to a 3-4 (if that is what we are doing) in one year and expect the D to  be a top 5 D. We will be going through another subpar year.
That's the same way that I felt, yank. I'm not so sure about that anymore. Got a couple of good posts from some Ducks fans yesterday that had me rethinking it. Still think that it's gonna be another tough year. But I'm no longer sure that Foles is going to be traded, or that Vick is gonna be our starter. I could handle another bad year or two, as long as I don't have to watch Vick fumbling games away like I have for the last 2 years. I am really over Vick. I didn't want him back if he were willing to pay to stay.

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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:15 AM

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IMO Vick should never start a game as QB for Eagles, he just don't have the brain to play QB in NFL, he thinks slow, make bad decisions and when you after 10 years in NFL still runs with the football in your hand even though you have a fumble problem the word stupid comes to mind. Also theres no future playing Vick, at least go with a QB that could surprise us.

Still hate that Seahawks drafted Russel Wilson last year, pretty sure we would have got him if they did't.




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Posted: 2/23/2013 7:25 AM

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arpettho wrote: IMO Vick should never start a game as QB for Eagles, he just don't have the brain to play QB in NFL, he thinks slow, make bad decisions and when you after 10 years in NFL still runs with the football in your hand even though you have a fumble problem the word stupid comes to mind. Also theres no future playing Vick, at least go with a QB that could surprise us.

Still hate that Seahawks drafted Russel Wilson last year, pretty sure we would have got him if they did't.
I agree. I don't want to see him start another game for the Eagles either, 2011/2012 were more than enough for me. Not interested in seeing anything more from him.

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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:52 AM

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arpettho wrote: IMO Vick should never start a game as QB for Eagles, he just don't have the brain to play QB in NFL, he thinks slow, make bad decisions and when you after 10 years in NFL still runs with the football in your hand even though you have a fumble problem the word stupid comes to mind. Also theres no future playing Vick, at least go with a QB that could surprise us.

Still hate that Seahawks drafted Russel Wilson last year, pretty sure we would have got him if they did't.

Not saying he definately will or won't get the nod or making predictions about how he will perform this season if he gets the chance to; which more than likely I feel he will.  The decision the front office made keeping Vick was the most sensible business option there was. They were and are stuck between a rock and a hard place, but Vick has the potential to be bring a successful season this year to Philadelphia--Theres always a chance.  Sometimes your forced to run or throw it away as a QB and given his speed it makes more sense for him to take the risk.  Unfortunately he was banged up from jump this past season and IMO it effected his ball carrying abilites; that combined with the disastours OL we had didnt help the situation.  Bottom line the staff doesnt seem to mind overlooking his flaws and feels like he can be coached to better handle those situations.  Vick isn't a slow thinker he goes through his progressions slowly he's not that type of QB, he's a two read guy and either run or dump it to the RB guy. I'm not saying he can't make a full read and quickly at that I just think you'll see a new QB in regards to Michael with the regime change and a few additions to the OL and WR corps.  I understand your POV and accept your reasoning just figured I'd add my 2 cents we have a few months to go before we know whats what don't see how healthy discussion can hurt.  Russell Wilson wouldve been great here and will be in seattle, thats what we call a god damn shame!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:29 AM

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VICK STINKS!

Opposing defenses are happy to see Michael Vick take off and run

The greatest appeal to Michael Vick’s game has always been that he’s able to make plays with his feet. His rushing numbers over the last 2 years, from the standpoint of yards, and yards per carry, are good:

Vick 4

However, on plays in which it was determined that he was running the ball (meaning that these numbers do not include fumbles on sacks), Vick fumbled a staggering 14 times… on 138 carries.  That means that he fumbled every 9.9 times he ran the ball, which is absolutely awful.

To be fair, those fumble numbers include things like bad QB-center and QB-RB exchanges, which contribute some to that total, but he’s fumbling at a far higher rate than he did earlier in his career:

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So why is he fumbling so much more now than he did when he was younger? If you look at old highlight reels of Vick running the football, you can see that he was just as careless with the football then as he is now. Perhaps even more so:....

Unfortunately, the Michael Vick we know now is nothing at all like “The Ghost of Michael Vick Past.” In Week 8 against the Atlanta Falcons, 255 lb DE Kroy Biermann fought off three blocks (first Brent Celek, then Stanley Havili, and finally a shove by Todd Herremans), before he had a shot to chase down Vick. Here’s Biermann chasing down Vick from behind:

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Biermann ran a 4.75 40 time at the 2008 Combine.

On the replay, FOX’s cameras showed Michael Vick’s eyes on that run. He was not scanning the field looking for a receiver to throw to, which would have slowed him up some. He had his eyes fixed on one spot, which I’m guessing was probably on getting around the corner past DT Corey Peters (#91 above). By the time Biermann dives for Vick’s ankles, Vick is sprinting and has no intention to throw:

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The above example is one of many in terms of evidence to Vick’s deteriorating physical skills. The Ghost of Michael Vick Past would have never been run down by Kroy Biermann. Michael Vick circa 2012 was. This is just a theory, but I think Vick’s decline in athleticism is the biggest contributing factor in the higher rate of fumbles. Opposing defenses used to be terrified of Michael Vick in the open field. They were happy just to get him down. That fear of Vick breaking off a 70 yard run no longer exists, and opposing defenses are being more aggressive in trying to knock the ball loose.

If Michael Vick can’t control the fumbling issues, he’s more of a detriment to the offense than he is a weapon, and if indeed he is no longer a weapon as a runner, then what good is he?


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