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Is it time to clean house?
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:18 AM
Is it time to clean house?  (1 vote)
Bring in Kelly
Cut Vick and Jackson
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Posted: 12/30/2012 11:25 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
The only way I want Kelly is if we get a stud DC. The offense isn't the problem. The OL sucked due to all the injuries. But with everyone hopefully healthy and the experience the others got this season, we should be fine there. The problem is the defense. We need a DC or defensive minded HC to fix the problems there. Most of the personnel is ok, we just need to fill a couple holes.
If we could get Rex Ryan as DC it would be great. But highly unlikely!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 2:28 PM
RE: Is it time to clean house?
Don't cut Jackson but get rid of Vick! Yeah I wouldn't want Chip Kelly to coach the Eagles unless if he hires a solid defensive coordinator. The only reason why I don't want them to hire Kelly is because he has no NFL coaching experience.
Last edited 12/30/2012 2:29 PM by TrojanEagle446
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Posted: 12/30/2012 2:39 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Tribute2Troy wrote: Bring in Kelly
Cut Vick and Jackson 1. Yes clean house. 2. Don't bring in Kelly. 3. Fire Vick (and all our DB's, Bell, Dunlap...). 4. Keep Jackson.
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- arpettho
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Posted: 12/31/2012 6:31 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
I don't know why anyone wants to cut Jackson, but Vick must go.
I want a coach that fits the core players we keep after this season, way to often team bring in a coach who don't fit the players they have. He skips all the players and get fired just as he has brought a team together that fits his playing stile, for some teams this goes on forever, we should not be one of them.
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- Defense4tehwin
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:05 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Not a whole lot of people I'd even want to keep from this abortion, especially after the total mail in job we saw yesterday.
Keep:
QB - Foles, Edwards. Sure we can possibly get a better back up than Edwards, but we have soooo many other needs. I'm sure we'll draft a QB 4-6 to develop.
RB - McCoy, Brown. Meh on the other two
TE - Celek. Harbor is just a guy
WR - Jackson, Maclin. Avant has nice hands but isn't dynamic enough. They can do better than him and Cooper.
OL - Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans.
DE - Graham, Cole, Curry
DT - Cox
LB - Kendricks, Ryans
CB - Boykins
SS - N/A
other - Henery (despite badly shanking a 28 yd FG)
So I've identified 19 guys I'd keep. Next HC and hopefully GM have some work cut out for them. |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 10:03 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Defense4tehwin wrote: Not a whole lot of people I'd even want to keep from this abortion, especially after the total mail in job we saw yesterday.
Keep:
QB - Foles, Edwards. Sure we can possibly get a better back up than Edwards, but we have soooo many other needs. I'm sure we'll draft a QB 4-6 to develop.
RB - McCoy, Brown. Meh on the other two
TE - Celek. Harbor is just a guy
WR - Jackson, Maclin. Avant has nice hands but isn't dynamic enough. They can do better than him and Cooper.
OL - Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans.
DE - Graham, Cole, Curry
DT - Cox
LB - Kendricks, Ryans
CB - Boykins
SS - N/A
other - Henery (despite badly shanking a 28 yd FG)
So I've identified 19 guys I'd keep. Next HC and hopefully GM have some work cut out for them. Yeah, that would basically be the same for me. Although I haven't seen enough from Polk, and Lewis has looked good in the few times that he's played to me (assuming we're going to keep 4 RB's again). Havili's been serviceable. And I'm still not sold on Henery. He's accurate overall, but I still get nervous when I see him line up for the kick when the pressure's on. I like Avant, would keep him. Cooper seems to be improving to me. Either that, or everyone else has looked so bad that he seems better in comparison. 
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:57 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
As far as our starters for next year, I'd like to see this:
QB- Foles
HB- Shady
FB- Havili
WR- Jackson
WR- Maclin
TE- Celek
LT- Peters
LG- Mathis
C- Kelce
RG- Herremans
RT- Joeckel (Draft)
DE- Graham
DT- Melton (FA)
DT- Cox
DE- Cole
OLB- Kendricks
MLB- Ryans
OLB- ?
CB- Rodgers-Cromartie
CB- Xavier Rhodes (Draft)
SS- TJ McDonald (Draft)
FS- Louis Delmas
K- Henery
P- ?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:30 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?  (1 vote)
LOL, yea lets cut Jackson one year into a new contract, and who was a model soldier all year. That makes so much sense.
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Posted: 1/1/2013 4:34 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Here's how I want to see the roster next year:
QB – Foles, Edwards, ???
RB – McCoy, Brown, Lewis
FB – Havili
WR – Jackson, Maclin, Bowe (FA), Avant, Johnson, Cooper
TE – Celek, Harbor
LT – Peters, Vollmer (FA)
LG – Mathis
C – Kelce, Reynolds
RG – Herremans, Watkins
RT – Joeckel (draft), Kelly
DE – Graham, Curry, ???
DT – Patterson (hopefully he'll be healthy), Thornton
DT – Cox, Jenkins, ???
DE – Cole, ???
OLB – Kendricks, Chaney
MLB – Ryans, Matthews
OLB – ???, ???
CB – Asomugha, Marsh
CB – Shields (FA), Boykin, Hughes
SS – ???, ???
FS – ???, Anderson
K – Henery
P – McBriar
LS – Dorenbos
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Posted: 1/1/2013 10:55 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Trojan, we dont even know what type of system we will be employing yet...
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:42 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Eagles1976 wrote:
Tribute2Troy wrote: Bring in Kelly
Cut Vick and Jackson 1. Yes clean house.
2. Don't bring in Kelly.
3. Fire Vick (and all our DB's, Bell, Dunlap...).
4. Keep Jackson. I agree with 3 and 4 it seems to late for number 2 although I like the move...... but I think vick needs to stay he struggled last year but he could thrive in kellys offense. our DB's literally all need to go what would the cap damage be if we actually cut them all CB's and S anybody have an idea? "How many times must you prove your an angel, how many more demons do you have to strangle, how much longer must you remain in this dream before i finally figure out if your insane or a genius. Love Life"
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:49 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
1shaneshort wrote:
Eagles1976 wrote:
Tribute2Troy wrote: Bring in Kelly
Cut Vick and Jackson 1. Yes clean house.
2. Don't bring in Kelly.
3. Fire Vick (and all our DB's, Bell, Dunlap...).
4. Keep Jackson. I agree with 3 and 4 it seems to late for number 2 although I like the move...... but I think vick needs to stay he struggled last year but he could thrive in kellys offense. our DB's literally all need to go what would the cap damage be if we actually cut them all CB's and S anybody have an idea? The single biggest move that they could make to improve this team is to fire Vick. He's an overpaid waste who got a $100 mil contract based on a handful of good games in 2010. He's been a miserable failure ever since. And why anybody would believe that he'd be smart enough to "thrive" in Kelly's O when he was too stupid to figure out Andy's O is beyond me. Especially when Foles looked so promising last year. All the new DB's in the world aren't going to do a thing to help prevent that bum, Vick, from turning the ball over about 30 times a year. He needs to go. I was against Kelly, but like what I've been hearing from him. Beginning to change my opinion of him. HE might turn out better than I expected. Time will tell.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:14 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
I agree with the him not being so smart but athleticism can take you pretty far which Vick has plenty of along with heart even though he takes rough unnecessary hits he shows alot giving up his body or his all more or less he has the drive but he needs a slight attitude adjustment which has gotten better over the years maybe a new coach can put him in the position to make plays and help him understand how a play will develop and target his number one and move to a checkdown if hes primary option is not there theres alot of money tied into him and with a revamped OL i think he deserves a shot
"How many times must you prove your an angel, how many more demons do you have to strangle, how much longer must you remain in this dream before i finally figure out if your insane or a genius. Love Life"
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:16 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
1shaneshort wrote: I agree with the him not being so smart but athleticism can take you pretty far which Vick has plenty of along with heart even though he takes rough unnecessary hits he shows alot giving up his body or his all more or less he has the drive but he needs a slight attitude adjustment which has gotten better over the years maybe a new coach can put him in the position to make plays and help him understand how a play will develop and target his number one and move to a checkdown if hes primary option is not there theres alot of money tied into him and with a revamped OL i think he deserves a shot His "athleticism" hasn't taken him very far the past 2 seasons, and isn't likely to improve with age. And Kelly has already said that making good decisions is more important than "athleticism" in his QB. Where does that idea even remotely describe Mike Vick? You expect to have to train a rookie to play his position, not a 12 year vet. Vick's washed up. He is what he is. A turnover machine, who couldn't read a D if his life depended on it. Not a fit for Kelly's O. He's an overpaid bust, and needs to go ASAP.
Last edited 2/1/2013 1:30 PM by Eagles1976
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:18 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
The eagles were downright awful this year dont think vick or any qb stood a chance behind that line its hard to read a D with no time. Funny how you say the last 2 and not 4 years; regardless in 2011 they were 8-8 and the defense was garbage and some of those turnovers were just bizarre, this year and last. And yes I expect the coach to have to coach whether or not its day 1 or year 12. And what has made vick a bust here?
"How many times must you prove your an angel, how many more demons do you have to strangle, how much longer must you remain in this dream before i finally figure out if your insane or a genius. Love Life"
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:06 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
1shaneshort wrote: The eagles were downright awful this year dont think vick or any qb stood a chance behind that line its hard to read a D with no time. Funny how you say the last 2 and not 4 years; regardless in 2011 they were 8-8 and the defense was garbage and some of those turnovers were just bizarre, this year and last. And yes I expect the coach to have to coach whether or not its day 1 or year 12. And what has made vick a bust here? You don't know what you're talking about. The Eagles D was ranked #8 in the league in 2011. And PFF ranked the OL #2 (#10 by NFL stats). Vick still sucked. And he was even worse this year. Read the stats. You obviously haven't bothered, or you wouldn't have made that ridiculous claim. Of course you'd expect a coach to coach, that's what they're paying 'em for. That's a senseless argument. You shouldn't, however expect a 12 year vet QB to have to be taught to play QB after 12 years. Neither should you expect that 12 year vet to be outplayed by a rookie. Which is exactly what happened with Vick the past 2 years. That's what makes him a $100 million bust here.
Last edited 2/1/2013 8:19 PM by Eagles1976
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:35 PM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote: The eagles were downright awful this year dont think vick or any qb stood a chance behind that line its hard to read a D with no time. Funny how you say the last 2 and not 4 years; regardless in 2011 they were 8-8 and the defense was garbage and some of those turnovers were just bizarre, this year and last. And yes I expect the coach to have to coach whether or not its day 1 or year 12. And what has made vick a bust here? You don't know what you're talking about. The Eagles D was ranked #8 in the league in 2011. And PFF ranked the OL #2 (#10 by NFL stats). Vick still sucked. And he was even worse this year. Read the stats. You obviously haven't bothered, or you wouldn't have made that ridiculous claim. Of course you'd expect a coach to coach, that's what they're paying 'em for. That's a senseless argument. You shouldn't, however expect a 12 year vet QB to have to be taught to play QB after 12 years. Neither should you expect that 12 year vet to be outplayed by a rookie. Which is exactly what happened with Vick the past 2 years. That's what makes him a $100 million bust here. I definately know what I'm talking about I don't care what you Pff or anybody else ranks anything I watch them play week in and week out. Forget the stats look at Nnamdi had great stats got here cant play ball. The d was ranked 8 what in YPG? They lost many games in the 4th in 2011 because they couldnt stop anything They werent good why do you think 4 of our top 5 picks were for defense. I dont think vick is the best ever I said he needs help and to be coached hes slow on reads or it seems that way because of all the pressure, so I don't know what year the OL was ranked 2 or 10 or any of that but that mustve been before this past season either way I think he deserves a shot under a new coach unless he brings his attitude then forget him. But to say he's a bust is a little overkill to me; he came from prison after being out of the league for what 2-3 years "How many times must you prove your an angel, how many more demons do you have to strangle, how much longer must you remain in this dream before i finally figure out if your insane or a genius. Love Life"
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Posted: 2/2/2013 1:09 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
1shaneshort wrote:
Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote: The eagles were downright awful this year dont think vick or any qb stood a chance behind that line its hard to read a D with no time. Funny how you say the last 2 and not 4 years; regardless in 2011 they were 8-8 and the defense was garbage and some of those turnovers were just bizarre, this year and last. And yes I expect the coach to have to coach whether or not its day 1 or year 12. And what has made vick a bust here? You don't know what you're talking about. The Eagles D was ranked #8 in the league in 2011. And PFF ranked the OL #2 (#10 by NFL stats). Vick still sucked. And he was even worse this year. Read the stats. You obviously haven't bothered, or you wouldn't have made that ridiculous claim. Of course you'd expect a coach to coach, that's what they're paying 'em for. That's a senseless argument. You shouldn't, however expect a 12 year vet QB to have to be taught to play QB after 12 years. Neither should you expect that 12 year vet to be outplayed by a rookie. Which is exactly what happened with Vick the past 2 years. That's what makes him a $100 million bust here.
I definately know what I'm talking about I don't care what you Pff or anybody else ranks anything I watch them play week in and week out. Forget the stats look at Nnamdi had great stats got here cant play ball. The d was ranked 8 what in YPG? They lost many games in the 4th in 2011 because they couldnt stop anything They werent good why do you think 4 of our top 5 picks were for defense. I dont think vick is the best ever I said he needs help and to be coached hes slow on reads or it seems that way because of all the pressure, so I don't know what year the OL was ranked 2 or 10 or any of that but that mustve been before this past season either way I think he deserves a shot under a new coach unless he brings his attitude then forget him. But to say he's a bust is a little overkill to me; he came from prison after being out of the league for what 2-3 years You might watch 'em play (so did I), but it's questionable whether or not you understand what you're watching. You don't seem to want to let reality interfere with what you want to believe. The Eagles D was #8 in total D in 2011. The OL was ranked #2 in the League by PFF. Vick still sucked in 2011, and sucked even worse in 2012. And he shouldn't have to be taught how to play QB after that many years in the league. Peyton Manning didn't need it this year with Denver, but you're saying that Mike Vick still does. That's because Peyton Manning's a real QB, and Mike Vick's a $100 mil bust. The single best move that they could make at this point to improve the team for 2013 is to get rid of Mike Vick. He needs to go. He's a waste. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/r anking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/ 2. Philadelphia Eagles (17th) Run Rank 1st, Pass Rank 12th, Penalties Rank 22nd Blocking for Michael Vick isn’t always easy, but the Eagles did a great job of putting him in a position to succeed. The left side in particular was superb, forming one of the best tandems we’ve graded since the inception of Pro Football Focus (earning a combined +62.2 grade). There were some issues at the right guard spot, and you wonder if Todd Herremans (+2.4) is best served protecting anyone’s blindside, but this line has it in them to dominate. Best Player: If Jason Peters (+27.6) was protecting a right handed QB, the left tackle would get the nod. As it is, he doesn’t, and so the incredible year Evan Mathis (+34.6) had should result in a healthy contract for the veteran. Worst Player: Just being old for a rookie doesn’t mean you’re NFL-ready. Danny Watkins (-8.4) was proof of that. NFL Team Total Defense Statistics - 2011 Net Total Yards Leaders | RK | TEAM | YDS | YDS/G | PASS | P YDS/G | RUSH | R YDS/G | PTS | PTS/G | | 1 | Pittsburgh | 4348 | 271.8 | 2751 | 171.9 | 1597 | 99.8 | 227 | 14.2 | | 2 | Houston | 4571 | 285.7 | 3035 | 189.7 | 1536 | 96.0 | 278 | 17.4 | | 3 | Baltimore | 4622 | 288.9 | 3140 | 196.3 | 1482 | 92.6 | 266 | 16.6 | | 4 | San Francisco | 4931 | 308.2 | 3695 | 230.9 | 1236 | 77.3 | 229 | 14.3 | | 5 | NY Jets | 4993 | 312.1 | 3216 | 201.0 | 1777 | 111.1 | 363 | 22.7 | | 6 | Jacksonville | 5008 | 313.0 | 3341 | 208.8 | 1667 | 104.2 | 329 | 20.6 | | 7 | Cincinnati | 5060 | 316.3 | 3385 | 211.6 | 1675 | 104.7 | 323 | 20.2 | | 8 | Philadelphia | 5198 | 324.9 | 3397 | 212.3 | 1801 | 112.6 | 328 | 20.5 | | 9 | Seattle | 5315 | 332.2 | 3518 | 219.9 | 1797 | 112.3 | 315 | 19.7 | | 10 | Cleveland | 5318 | 332.4 | 2959 | 184.9 | 2359 | 147.4 | 307 | 19.2 | | 11 | Kansas City | 5333 | 333.3 | 3221 | 201.3 | 2112 | 132.0 | 338 | 21.1 | | 12 | Atlanta | 5338 | 333.6 | 3786 | 236.6 | 1552 | 97.0 | 350 | 21.9 | | 13 | Washington | 5437 | 339.8 | 3553 | 222.1 | 1884 | 117.8 | 367 | 22.9 | | 14 | Dallas | 5491 | 343.2 | 3906 | 244.1 | 1585 | 99.1 | 347 | 21.7 | | 15 | Miami | 5522 | 345.1 | 3992 | 249.5 | 1530 | 95.6 | 313 | 19.6 | | 16 | San Diego | 5546 | 346.6 | 3591 | 224.4 | 1955 | 122.2 | 377 | 23.6 | | 17 | Chicago | 5607 | 350.4 | 4065 | 254.1 | 1542 | 96.4 | 341 | 21.3 | | 18 | Tennessee | 5682 | 355.1 | 3629 | 226.8 | 2053 | 128.3 | 317 | 19.8 | | | Arizona | 5682 | 355.1 | 3696 | 231.0 | 1986 | 124.1 | 348 | 21.8 | | 20 | Denver | 5725 | 357.8 | 3704 | 231.5 | 2021 | 126.3 | 390 | 24.4 | | 21 | Minnesota | 5731 | 358.2 | 4019 | 251.2 | 1712 | 107.0 | 449 | 28.1 | | 22 | St. Louis | 5734 | 358.4 | 3301 | 206.3 | 2433 | 152.1 | 407 | 25.4 | | 23 | Detroit | 5881 | 367.6 | 3831 | 239.4 | 2050 | 128.1 | 387 | 24.2 | | 24 | New Orleans | 5895 | 368.4 | 4157 | 259.8 | 1738 | 108.6 | 339 | 21.2 | | 25 | Indianapolis | 5935 | 370.9 | 3632 | 227.0 | 2303 | 143.9 | 430 | 26.9 | | 26 | Buffalo | 5938 | 371.1 | 3714 | 232.1 | 2224 | 139.0 | 434 | 27.1 | | 27 | NY Giants | 6022 | 376.4 | 4082 | 255.1 | 1940 | 121.3 | 400 | 25.0 | | 28 | Carolina | 6042 | 377.6 | 3949 | 246.8 | 2093 | 130.8 | 429 | 26.8 | | 29 | Oakland | 6201 | 387.6 | 4023 | 251.4 | 2178 | 136.1 | 433 | 27.1 | | 30 | Tampa Bay | 6311 | 394.4 | 3814 | 238.4 | 2497 | 156.1 | 494 | 30.9 | | 31 | New England | 6577 | 411.1 | 4703 | 293.9 | 1874 | 117.1 | 342 | 21.4 | | 32 | Green Bay | 6585 | 411.6 | 4796 | 299.8 | 1789 | 111.8 | 359 | 22.4 |
Last edited 2/2/2013 1:45 AM by Eagles1976
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:27 AM
Re: Is it time to clean house?
Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote:
Eagles1976 wrote:
1shaneshort wrote: The eagles were downright awful this year dont think vick or any qb stood a chance behind that line its hard to read a D with no time. Funny how you say the last 2 and not 4 years; regardless in 2011 they were 8-8 and the defense was garbage and some of those turnovers were just bizarre, this year and last. And yes I expect the coach to have to coach whether or not its day 1 or year 12. And what has made vick a bust here? You don't know what you're talking about. The Eagles D was ranked #8 in the league in 2011. And PFF ranked the OL #2 (#10 by NFL stats). Vick still sucked. And he was even worse this year. Read the stats. You obviously haven't bothered, or you wouldn't have made that ridiculous claim. Of course you'd expect a coach to coach, that's what they're paying 'em for. That's a senseless argument. You shouldn't, however expect a 12 year vet QB to have to be taught to play QB after 12 years. Neither should you expect that 12 year vet to be outplayed by a rookie. Which is exactly what happened with Vick the past 2 years. That's what makes him a $100 million bust here.
I definately know what I'm talking about I don't care what you Pff or anybody else ranks anything I watch them play week in and week out. Forget the stats look at Nnamdi had great stats got here cant play ball. The d was ranked 8 what in YPG? They lost many games in the 4th in 2011 because they couldnt stop anything They werent good why do you think 4 of our top 5 picks were for defense. I dont think vick is the best ever I said he needs help and to be coached hes slow on reads or it seems that way because of all the pressure, so I don't know what year the OL was ranked 2 or 10 or any of that but that mustve been before this past season either way I think he deserves a shot under a new coach unless he brings his attitude then forget him. But to say he's a bust is a little overkill to me; he came from prison after being out of the league for what 2-3 years You might watch 'em play (so did I), but it's questionable whether or not you understand what you're watching. You don't seem to want to let reality interfere with what you want to believe. The Eagles D was #8 in total D in 2011. The OL was ranked #2 in the League by PFF. Vick still sucked in 2011, and sucked even worse in 2012. And he shouldn't have to be taught how to play QB after that many years in the league. Peyton Manning didn't need it this year with Denver, but you're saying that Mike Vick still does. That's because Peyton Manning's a real QB, and Mike Vick's a $100 mil bust. The single best move that they could make at this point to improve the team for 2013 is to get rid of Mike Vick. He needs to go. He's a waste.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/r anking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/
2. Philadelphia Eagles (17th) Run Rank 1st, Pass Rank 12th, Penalties Rank 22nd Blocking for Michael Vick isn’t always easy, but the Eagles did a great job of putting him in a position to succeed. The left side in particular was superb, forming one of the best tandems we’ve graded since the inception of Pro Football Focus (earning a combined +62.2 grade). There were some issues at the right guard spot, and you wonder if Todd Herremans (+2.4) is best served protecting anyone’s blindside, but this line has it in them to dominate. Best Player: If Jason Peters (+27.6) was protecting a right handed QB, the left tackle would get the nod. As it is, he doesn’t, and so the incredible year Evan Mathis (+34.6) had should result in a healthy contract for the veteran. Worst Player: Just being old for a rookie doesn’t mean you’re NFL-ready. Danny Watkins (-8.4) was proof of that.
NFL Team Total Defense Statistics - 2011Net Total Yards Leaders Apparently you don't understand what I wrote I could care less for your awesome little spreadsheet right there the eagles D sucked in 2011 and even worse in 2012 The OL sucked the most this past year. They could run the ball a little with an elusive back like Mccoy but as far as passing they were terrible. Vick wasnt very good he caught some bad breaks this year and last but Vick is a talent whos overpaid and can restructure so to say hes a 100 mil dollar bust again is overkill. you buy into the hype what you see isnt what you get all the time and 100 mil it was just a number but to think get rid of him when the OL was so poor and the coaching staff was having so much turmoil would not really be Chip Kelly looking into his personnel. If Vick has a poor attitude which it seems Kelly didnt think so he'll be released the contract situation can be reworked though so money should be a non issue its about the potential he sees which I think is there and you think isnt and thats all good and well. "How many times must you prove your an angel, how many more demons do you have to strangle, how much longer must you remain in this dream before i finally figure out if your insane or a genius. Love Life"
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