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Posted: 10/05/2012 5:29 PM
Don't worry guys Knapp is showing players an evaluation
of his schemes on running plays. Here'my evaluation. Your scheme sucks and doesn't fit this team. Tom Cable himself who is a ZBS line coach turned to a power blocking scheme with us here. Only 2 known teams that I can think of to ever win a Super Bowl with this system were Denver who had Elway (HOF), Sharpe (HOF), and Terell Davis. The other team was the Packers who sucked at running the ball and has one of the best QB's in the game along with Wr's to match. We are NOT those teams PERIOD. Instead of adjusting to our personnel and what they do best like all good coaches do, these arseholes are still insisting on beating a dead horse and mailing in the season. Damn this is frustrating. I thought last week when Allen said "we're gonna find out what our players do best and do just that he was actually serious. Guess I was wrong and he's a fvckin liar.  What else can I expect from a HC who is laughing it up on the filed with the opponent's coach whose team killed us last week.  When asked what the Raiders accomplished during the week, offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said, "Real good evaluation on scheme. We have shown to our offensive players our studies on our run game, on our third downs and the red zone."
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Posted: 10/05/2012 8:18 PM
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At this point I just want to see some progress. These guys keep saying be patient and there will be progress.
I remember the posts after the Monday Night game. Most of the rah rah guys said we coulda, shoulda, woulda have beat the Dolts if only (insert excuse here)
OK great, then how did we go from coulda beat the Dolts to getting thoroughly spanked by the Donkeys? I do not consider that to be progress. Quite the opposite actually.
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Posted: 10/06/2012 6:45 AM
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yup I've seen none. believe me if they catch on work to play within his offense I will be THRILLED, but thus far haven't seen anything that remotely looks like improvement. The sad thing is all of our O line guys are mostly ZBS guys. Barnes was a Cable guy, Carlisle spent most of his career in it, Veldheer was drafted by Cable to play in this system and Briesel who looks like our worse O linemen only in front of Willie Smith who was thrust into action made the pro bowl in this system. All that being said DMC can't run in it so the system domino effects our whole team with no runnng game.i
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Posted: 10/06/2012 7:05 AM
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I'm no fan of the ZBS either but when Justin Fargas can run in it and get big yards, I find it hard to believe that the great play maker DMAC can't figure it out. So in essence DMAC not being able to adapt makes him less of a player than Fargas? That's BS in my book.
As much as people hate the ZBS it's here to stay for now and it seems to me that the players have bought into, even DMAC himself has stated as much saying that he just needs to be more patient.
Does Knapp suck? Yeah I think he does but nothing I can do about it but moan and complain which might feel good but is pointless imo.
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Posted: 10/06/2012 9:23 AM
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Tom how much say did he really have in continuing the ZBS ? He was still using it in 2008 and 2009 wasn't until Al hired Hue as the OC and switched it back to a power scheme ? Was Tom even wanting this scheme . My guess is not since he back ground was the ZBS and seeing that is what he is doing with the Seahawks now . But hey lets not let facts possibly get in the way of this now .
Yeah shame that a coach in the NFL can compartmentalize the game on the field and off it . Damn shame that he just didn't go up and punch his friend in the face . Yeah that would've been so much better to of seen that happen .
Well seeing that Carson and several other players have said the samething sounds like they had a good week and seen some of the things that they were missing in the plays on executing to get the results . This isn't an scheme that you pick up just over night or can master in just the OTA, Training Camp , and preseason , and expect to have it all click right on opening day of the season .
This is a scheme that you have to have a lot of reps in it and be in live games to see some different looks in the defense for the players to understand their assignments better on their covered/uncovered blocks . That picking up Who to double team and who to cut block as you aren't going to do that in practice to your own teammates .
That I have been watching the All 22 films and seeing that the guys have done fairly well getting some blocks down and having the holes for Darren there . But Darren is been very reluctant to go with his first read and is made to many extra cuts because the hole isn't as big as he thinks it should be .
The OL is still learning some on the double teams and left a few plays miss because of some missed blocking because of double team players that didn't need to be . The scheme is coming along and it will eventually click with this group but they just need more reps in it .
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Posted: 10/06/2012 6:34 PM
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keep waving your pom poms. even Gannon thinks Knapp isn't using the players correctly. Ya play to your players strengths PERIOD. Knapp isn't. he's getting our defense worn out and our O line worn out because we can't run the damn ball anymore. How can you defend this shyt week after week? DMC and Fargas are 2 totally different runners. we have a corvette in the garage and we're going into a race with a damn VW bug now. http://957thegame.com/topic/pl...audioId=6066179 |
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Posted: 10/06/2012 6:56 PM
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DEMONKING wrote: keep waving your pom poms. even Gannon thinks Knapp isn't using the players correctly. Ya play to your players strengths PERIOD. Knapp isn't. he's getting our defense worn out and our O line worn out because we can't run the damn ball anymore. How can you defend this shyt week after week? DMC and Fargas are 2 totally different runners. we have a corvette in the garage and we're going into a race with a damn VW bug now.
http://957thegame.com/topic/pl...audioId=6066179 That's my point DK, DMAC is three times the talent, so why is it so hard for him to adjust being the BETTER player/athlete? By his OWN ADMISSION he says he needs to work on it. Like I said, I hate Knapp too and no he probably isn't using the players the best way, but it is what it is and if they don't adapt the team is screwed unless Knapp gets canned or stripped of his duties. As far as Gannon, loved him as a player but he's always all over the place with his opinion of the Raiders and always has been. It's not about pom poms, it's about not being able to change a damn thing so why get high blood pressure over it? It's not worth it to get all bent out of shape over it when it's not going to change which is why I'd rather try and look at anything positive I can find from this team this season. EC
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Posted: 10/06/2012 8:32 PM
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ECRaidersfan wrote:
DEMONKING wrote: keep waving your pom poms. even Gannon thinks Knapp isn't using the players correctly. Ya play to your players strengths PERIOD. Knapp isn't. he's getting our defense worn out and our O line worn out because we can't run the damn ball anymore. How can you defend this shyt week after week? DMC and Fargas are 2 totally different runners. we have a corvette in the garage and we're going into a race with a damn VW bug now.
http://957thegame.com/topic/pl...audioId=6066179 That's my point DK, DMAC is three times the talent, so why is it so hard for him to adjust being the BETTER player/athlete? By his OWN ADMISSION he says he needs to work on it.
Like I said, I hate Knapp too and no he probably isn't using the players the best way, but it is what it is and if they don't adapt the team is screwed unless Knapp gets canned or stripped of his duties. As far as Gannon, loved him as a player but he's always all over the place with his opinion of the Raiders and always has been.
It's not about pom poms, it's about not being able to change a damn thing so why get high blood pressure over it? It's not worth it to get all bent out of shape over it when it's not going to change which is why I'd rather try and look at anything positive I can find from this team this season.
EC we all know DMC can't run in this system. if he figures it out great, but why do something he clearly sucks at and not play to his strengths? he's a top 5 back in the league and now is rendered powerless. I'm just through with moral victories bro. 10 of of suffering. what wasn't broke didn't need to be fixed. Now it's officially broke. just frustrated. at what point do they fire Knapp or he realize his system aint working here? it's frustrating the hell out of me. That's all. just venting bro.  |
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Posted: 10/06/2012 8:37 PM
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Yeah I hear you DK and I understand where you are coming from for sure. We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
I hate it as much as anyone here, we all do but I have just decided it's not worth the emotional investment this season or the stress. Life is just way too short to be so angry about my football team and things I just can't change.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 12:20 AM
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ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years. The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts. People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant. But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft. This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over. Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have. Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 8:36 AM
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I hear ya Bandito, Raiders just got bent over and taken advantage of by the Donkeys and these guys are happy about it. It's just part of a rebuilding process. Bullshyt.
If Al Davis has a draft where no one helps the team, these guys cry.
If Al Davis signs free agents that suck, these guys cry.
If Al Davis hires a coach that looks 13 years old, these guys cry.
And I questioned each of those moves when Al made them.
If Frankenberry does these things, it's rebuilding.
They can't even call him out for one move he has made. The excuse will always be he went into the offseason with his hands tied, his eyes closed and his dick tucked in between his legs.
WHADAYA MEAN WE HURT YOUR FEELINGS?
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:53 AM
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BanditoB wrote:
ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years.
A team of the decades needs to do better than 3 division titles in 11 years. Winning a division title was the norm before I was born, now it's a fantasy. The team has had 9 winning seasons since their last Super Bowl win. You think that's acceptable? 
The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts.
Meaningless stat since we didn't win....
People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant.
Al Davis never rebuilt. He reloaded, right? Al Davis was struck with very bad luck? Really, that's how you're spinning it? Yeah, it was bad luck that he took roid All Stars like Gallery and signed LaMont Jordan to a ridiculous contract. It was bad luck that he drafted a player with no work ethic in JaMarcus Russell. It was bad luck that he gave Javon Walker a horrendous deal that nobody would've given him. It was bad luck that he traded for DeAngelo Hall, a player who did not fit the defensive scheme BTW, since you're always harping on players fitting the scheme... Even Terdell Sands thinks this is hilarious.
But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft.
The first 8 - 8 year was a sign of them possibly turning it around. Letting the head coach walk, mismanaging player's contracts because they took advantage of the lack of a salary cap year, when they knew the CBA would come back, and they would have to honor the contracts and probably re-work most of them again was not a sign of turning it around. Taking flyers on players in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft when Campbell was a serviceable QB is not a sign of a team turning it around. There were a lot of moves that were a sign of desperation.
This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over.
I do not care. I am willing to endure 1 or 2 seasons of crap football in order to stockpile draft picks, save money, and then put the draft picks and cap space all together to field a legitimate football team that can actually contend with winning teams. This team could not compete with winning teams and even if they did luck into winning the division at 8 - 8 or 9 - 7, they still wouldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Who wants a team with the talent to continually exit the playoffs in the wild card round?
Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have.
Pure genius. Don't counter your argument. Probably because you know that you didn't put much thought into it and crafted a lazy post on the message board.
Why do we have to hold Reggie to higher standards when you refused to hold Al to a higher standard? You just allowed Al to make his moves and deal with them. I've been angry at how this franchise has been run since they moved back to Oakland. You've been content with hoping to finish 8 - 8.
Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
Bill Parcells gutted every team he walked into recently but he had the cap space to sign some guys who were adequate for depth and half decent enough to start. The Raiders don't have that luxury due to Al's horrible salary cap management. Most good GMs who are hired scrap the old system almost immediately and begin to overhaul the roster with their hires and their players. Reggie is doing nothing different from what other modern GMs and executives do. In order to change the culture of losing that you subscribed to and supported blindly, you have to purge the roster and begin anew. That's something that you fail to realize. You resist change because of the unknown. The more sensible fans who are sick of losing embrace the change because it can't get any worse than it has been. Like I said before, I'm 28 years old and the Raiders have had 9 winning seasons in my lifetime. You apparently support the 19 years of losing, awful football. I do not want to be like you; a perennial loser. I want to win.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 10:06 AM
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jgrange wrote:
BanditoB wrote:
ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years.
A team of the decades needs to do better than 3 division titles in 11 years. Winning a division title was the norm before I was born, now it's a fantasy. The team has had 9 winning seasons since their last Super Bowl win. You think that's acceptable?
The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts.
Meaningless stat since we didn't win....
People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant.
Al Davis never rebuilt. He reloaded, right? Al Davis was struck with very bad luck? Really, that's how you're spinning it? Yeah, it was bad luck that he took roid All Stars like Gallery and signed LaMont Jordan to a ridiculous contract. It was bad luck that he drafted a player with no work ethic in JaMarcus Russell. It was bad luck that he gave Javon Walker a horrendous deal that nobody would've given him. It was bad luck that he traded for DeAngelo Hall, a player who did not fit the defensive scheme BTW, since you're always harping on players fitting the scheme... Even Terdell Sands thinks this is hilarious.
But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft.
The first 8 - 8 year was a sign of them possibly turning it around. Letting the head coach walk, mismanaging player's contracts because they took advantage of the lack of a salary cap year, when they knew the CBA would come back, and they would have to honor the contracts and probably re-work most of them again was not a sign of turning it around. Taking flyers on players in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft when Campbell was a serviceable QB is not a sign of a team turning it around. There were a lot of moves that were a sign of desperation.
This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over.
I do not care. I am willing to endure 1 or 2 seasons of crap football in order to stockpile draft picks, save money, and then put the draft picks and cap space all together to field a legitimate football team that can actually contend with winning teams. This team could not compete with winning teams and even if they did luck into winning the division at 8 - 8 or 9 - 7, they still wouldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Who wants a team with the talent to continually exit the playoffs in the wild card round?
Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have.
Pure genius. Don't counter your argument. Probably because you know that you didn't put much thought into it and crafted a lazy post on the message board.
Why do we have to hold Reggie to higher standards when you refused to hold Al to a higher standard? You just allowed Al to make his moves and deal with them. I've been angry at how this franchise has been run since they moved back to Oakland. You've been content with hoping to finish 8 - 8.
Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
Bill Parcells gutted every team he walked into recently but he had the cap space to sign some guys who were adequate for depth and half decent enough to start. The Raiders don't have that luxury due to Al's horrible salary cap management. Most good GMs who are hired scrap the old system almost immediately and begin to overhaul the roster with their hires and their players. Reggie is doing nothing different from what other modern GMs and executives do. In order to change the culture of losing that you subscribed to and supported blindly, you have to purge the roster and begin anew. That's something that you fail to realize. You resist change because of the unknown. The more sensible fans who are sick of losing embrace the change because it can't get any worse than it has been. Like I said before, I'm 28 years old and the Raiders have had 9 winning seasons in my lifetime. You apparently support the 19 years of losing, awful football. I do not want to be like you; a perennial loser. I want to win. You beat me to it Grange +1 EC
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Posted: 10/07/2012 11:01 AM
I want to win too!
But it's obvious the stars aren't exactly lining up for us. I mean, you have to be legit and I don't see that....yet? Too many rookies and new blocking schemes and new coaches that are teaching one thing while our opponents do their thing. This is going to be a long season with growing pains and shrinking ticket sales. So, I work harder on my own projects and attain my goals on a daily basis, while many will watch football and say, this is what it's like without a Raiders team beating opponents into submission. Hoping for a brighter future, you don't see the old handles coming in and piling on like they have in the past. Everybody knows this isn't your daddy's Raiders. Sure miss the old days but I remember them well and that's what it's all about to me. I was lucky to see the football I did with the Raiders and the cheerleaders at the tunnel entrance seats at the Mauselium. I was at the Denver game. Full house. The 9er game when half the bay came down. The Bo Jackson playoff game where we lost him for good. Injuries are a killer. Need a bigger roster. |
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Posted: 10/07/2012 4:11 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- ECRaidersfan wrote: jgrange wrote:
BanditoB wrote:
ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years.
A team of the decades needs to do better than 3 division titles in 11 years. Winning a division title was the norm before I was born, now it's a fantasy. The team has had 9 winning seasons since their last Super Bowl win. You think that's acceptable?
The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts.
Meaningless stat since we didn't win....
People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant.
Al Davis never rebuilt. He reloaded, right? Al Davis was struck with very bad luck? Really, that's how you're spinning it? Yeah, it was bad luck that he took roid All Stars like Gallery and signed LaMont Jordan to a ridiculous contract. It was bad luck that he drafted a player with no work ethic in JaMarcus Russell. It was bad luck that he gave Javon Walker a horrendous deal that nobody would've given him. It was bad luck that he traded for DeAngelo Hall, a player who did not fit the defensive scheme BTW, since you're always harping on players fitting the scheme... Even Terdell Sands thinks this is hilarious.
But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft.
The first 8 - 8 year was a sign of them possibly turning it around. Letting the head coach walk, mismanaging player's contracts because they took advantage of the lack of a salary cap year, when they knew the CBA would come back, and they would have to honor the contracts and probably re-work most of them again was not a sign of turning it around. Taking flyers on players in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft when Campbell was a serviceable QB is not a sign of a team turning it around. There were a lot of moves that were a sign of desperation.
This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over.
I do not care. I am willing to endure 1 or 2 seasons of crap football in order to stockpile draft picks, save money, and then put the draft picks and cap space all together to field a legitimate football team that can actually contend with winning teams. This team could not compete with winning teams and even if they did luck into winning the division at 8 - 8 or 9 - 7, they still wouldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Who wants a team with the talent to continually exit the playoffs in the wild card round?
Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have.
Pure genius. Don't counter your argument. Probably because you know that you didn't put much thought into it and crafted a lazy post on the message board.
Why do we have to hold Reggie to higher standards when you refused to hold Al to a higher standard? You just allowed Al to make his moves and deal with them. I've been angry at how this franchise has been run since they moved back to Oakland. You've been content with hoping to finish 8 - 8.
Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
Bill Parcells gutted every team he walked into recently but he had the cap space to sign some guys who were adequate for depth and half decent enough to start. The Raiders don't have that luxury due to Al's horrible salary cap management. Most good GMs who are hired scrap the old system almost immediately and begin to overhaul the roster with their hires and their players. Reggie is doing nothing different from what other modern GMs and executives do. In order to change the culture of losing that you subscribed to and supported blindly, you have to purge the roster and begin anew. That's something that you fail to realize. You resist change because of the unknown. The more sensible fans who are sick of losing embrace the change because it can't get any worse than it has been. Like I said before, I'm 28 years old and the Raiders have had 9 winning seasons in my lifetime. You apparently support the 19 years of losing, awful football. I do not want to be like you; a perennial loser. I want to win. You beat me to it Grange +1 EC --------------------------------------------- Awesome, logical, well thought post. All who disagree with that logic are brainwashed, brain dead or nuts.....take your pick. Welcome to ESPN CLASSIC, the only network to carry playoff victories of the KC Queefs in the 21st century! *Facts are KC's last playoff win was 1994......talk about one hellova drought!
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Posted: 10/07/2012 7:50 PM
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Great example of a good GM "rebuilding"...Parcells, who never won a super bowl ring as a GM, and his last go round with the Dolphins made some big time mistakes which helped the Dolphins go from a competitive team his 1st year aboard, right to the shytter. Have you ever talked to a Dolphins fan about how they feel about Tuna?
Here's some of Parcells gems from his 3 years with the Dolphins...
1. 32 year old, injury prone, Jake Grove. Parcells gave him a 5 year 30 million dollar contract! He then traded Samson Satele for a 6th round pick! Grove never even played 16 games in his time with the Dolphins. He was cut before the start of his 2nd year with the Dolphins. Satele is still a quality starter in the NFL.
That's a huge fail. You call that "rebuilding"?
2. Gibril Wilson, another familiar name. Al Davis signed him to a 6 year, 36 million dollar contract in 2008, and although he played decent ball for the Raiders, he wasn't worth the money...and after 1 season, Al Davis cut him.
So, that was clearly a mistake by Al. So what does Parcells do after Al Davis cuts Gibril? Parcells signs Gibril Wilson to a 5 year, 28 million dollar contract with 8 million guaranteed. Wilson plays even worse for the Dolphins, and is cut after 1 season. 8 million dollar loss.
Rebuilding?
3. Ernest Wilford. A vet WR that Parcells signed to a 4 year, 13 million dollar contract, with a 6 million dollar signing bonus. The production the Dolphins got for that money? He appeared in 7 games, 0 starts, and grabbed a total of 3 passes for 25 yards! Wow! Derek Hagan is league minimum, and shattered that production in a single game. Why do I mention Hagan? Because Parcells let him go to pay this bum.
Rebuilding?
4. Justin Smiley. A vet OG who had been cast off by the Niners. Parcells gave him a 5 year, 25 million dollar contract with 9 mil guaranteed. Needless to say, he sucked, and was let go of 1 year later. 9 million guaranteed down the drain.
Rebuilding?
5. Charlie Anderson. A situational pass rusher who Parcells signed on a 3 year, 9 million dollar contract. He totaled 4.5 sacks over 2 years and his contract was terminated.
6. Reggie Torbor. Another gem plucked by Parcells in free agency. This vet cast off LB from the NYG was signed by Parcells on a 4 year, 14 million dollar contract. What the common theme here? He sucked, and was cut the next season.
More great rebuilding here. That's the way to handle the assets, Tuna.
7. Channing Crowder. Now this guy was already on board as a Dolphin. Parcells resigned this underachiever to a 3 year, 20 million dollar contract. Didn't make it through a full season after he signed the contract.
8. Anthony Fasano. Vet TE. Parcells traded a 4th round pick for him, and signed him for 2 years and 7.5 million. That 4th round pick he traded for Fasano ended up being used by the Raiders to draft Tyvon Branch, coincidentally, a solid starter for the Raiders. Fasano is a backup caliber TE. Nice rebuild move there.
9. Brandon Marshall. Obviously, a very good WR. But Tuna traded a 2nd round pick for this guy during his "rebuild", and then signed him to a 4 year, 47 million dollar contract. 2 years of meaningless production while the team Parcells put together sucked, and then traded away for a 3rd round pick. Not his worst move by any means, but the fact that most consider it one of his best with the Dolphins shows how uninspring his efforts really were. And trading away high picks for high priced players isn't classic rebuilding by any means.
Now lets look at some of Parcell's brilliant draft picks in his 3 years with the Dolphins, since that's where you're supposed to build your team...
Lets just look at the top-3 rounds in Parcells 3 terrible drafts for the Dolphins;
1. Philip Merling-DE. 1st pick in the 2nd round, out of the NFL already. Good job Parcells. Way to start it off.
2. Chad Henne-QB. 2nd round bust, not on the team anymore. Great pick. And Parcells took him over Desean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Matt Forte, Ray Rice. Had he took Jackson/Nelson, would've never had to waste that big money on Marshall in free agency.
3. Pat White-QB. LOL. If drafting Pryor in the 3rd round was a mistake, what do you call drafting Pat White in the 2nd round? A huge blunder. Parcells picked White over Shady McCoy and Mike Wallace. Bust.
4. Patrick Turner-WR. Bust. Already booted off the Dolphins.
5. Koa Misi-LB. Still has some potential, but was a disappointment last season and wasn' a good pick by any means. Passed on Gronkowski, Graham, and Bowman among others.
6. Kendall Langford-DE. Below average starter, 4 years of below average production, now he's on another team. Not a very good 3rd round pick, but not terrible.
7. John Jerry-G. Has finally started to produce this season, but showed up out of shape last season and hasn't been a very good pick.
8. Sean Smith-CB. The best player Tuna drafted after the 1st round for the Dolphins, solid 2nd round pick, though he's had off field troubles and is inconsistent.
Now lets look at how he fared in the 1st round...
1. Jake Long. No brainer, great pick. Can't miss that he took #2 overall, Parcells only "A grade" pick in his time with the Dolphins, an All-Pro talent.
2. Jared Odrick. Not a bust, decent draft pick, still remains to be seen if he'll become an above average NFL starter.
3. Vontae Davis. Not bad at all, solid 1st round pick. Of course, the next pick was Clay Matthews...and there were a lot of very good players to go shortly thereafter, including Hakeem Nicks 4 picks later.
So he fared fairly well in the 1st round, nothing to write home about. Certainly doesn't make up for his 2nd and 3rd round failures, and after the 2nd and 3rd rounds, literally the only players he drafted in those 3 years making a real impact in the NFL is Brain Hartline, who is just starting to pan out. Overall, sub-par drafting...and for the record, Al Davis shattered Parcells in the draft over those 3 years.
SO, in conclusion...this is what you call Yeoman's work for a GM over 3 years? F'ing seriously? This is what you call a good gut and rebuild? Really? We can only hope Reggie is so successful to run this team into the ground?
All GM's make mistakes, there's no doubt about that. They all overpay for players who don't produce sometimes. But at least over Al's later years, he was overpaying to retain talent that was already producing for us, as opposed to Bill Parcell's strategy of overpaying every scrub in free agency, casting off good young players, ON TOP of overpaying for talent already on board. Parcell's from 2008-2010 was equally as bad if not worse than Al Davis from '06-'08, when he signed overpaid busts like Hall, Walker, Wilson, etc. Jake Grove for 5 years and 30 million was as laughable at the time as it is now.
The Al bashers/Reggie fluffers lack so much perspective it's ridiculous. Pull your nose out of your prostate, you are a f'ing idiot. So much backwards logic, so many contradictions in the response to my last post that I wont even bother to chop it apart. It would send me on a loop of insanity trying to respond to all of that bullshyt.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 8:32 PM
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Oh, and BTW...the PATRIOTS RAN for 251 yards and 3 TD's against the Donkey's today. Great game planning there, Knapp. The Broncos, who McFadden had murdered the past couple years. The Broncos, who we ran on at will when Hue was our OC. THE BRONCOS, WHO HELD THE RAIDERS TO 56 YARDS RUSHING LAST WEEK. Greg Knapp didn't even bother trying to run on the Broncos. 16 attempts? Obviously by mid 3rd quarter, we were forced to pass, but had Knapp come out and run the ball, controlled the clock in the 1st half, it probably wouldn't have been such a blowout. We went from one of the premier running teams in the NFL to THE WORST running team in the NFL. And we didn't lose any key personnel on the offensive side of the ball. This shyt is downright pathetic. Oh, and another thing for you Reggie nut riders with your lips wrapped around his exit hole...if this was a year to "gut and rebuild", if we are playing for draft picks ( never supposed to play for draft picks), then WHY THE PHUCK DID WE KEEP SEYMOUR AND KELLY? These 2 are more expensive and older than Wimbley and Routt, and we actually had better young talent behind these guys than the guys we let go. Houston and Bryant are much better DT's than Tollefson is a pass rusher, or Spencer is a CB. It doesn't make sense to make the team better now, and it doesn't make sense to help clear cap room for the future. Why are we still paying Huff? If we were gutting, why get rid of contributors and keep paying these guys? The bottom line is, as Reggie said, he was trying to win this season. Now that his plan has clearly failed, you apologists are making excuses for him. If he wanted to gut and rebuild, Seymour's big ass out of whack contract should've been the first to unload, like I was saying before the 2012 offseason even started. The whole thing is a phucking shyt show. Reggie has been a disaster so far, hasn't done anything right. He's let go of young players with upside, and replaced them with VETERAN CASTOFFS. What phucking part of "rebuilding" is that? Rebuilding is about drafting, and DEVELOPING, young talent. It's not about casting off young talent and replacing them with worse players in their 30's as stop gaps. If this was a REBUILDING YEAR, like you say, the youngsters with potential should've been given a chance to phucking prove themselves! This assh*le is trying his hardest to win right now, and since he's failing, you lame ass excuse makers write it off as if the plan wasn't to contend for the phucking division. Nothing could possibly get worse than it has been, because according to you idiots we were on the ground when Reggie came and picked us up. Forget the stats, forget the facts, we were on the ground. The last time we went 8-8, fired a coach, and that coach went 8-8 his first year...Gruden, and we won the phucking division the next year. But apparently, since we went 8-8, fired our coach, and our new coach went 8-8 his first year...this time we were surely bound to fail? This team was on the upswing, and if you can't see that, you are quite simply hog ass dumb phuck stupid. Stick to dusting off your war of world craft figurines and playing lego's with your son, you don't have the perspective it takes to be a knowledgeable football fan. |
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Posted: 10/08/2012 8:04 AM
Re: Don't worry guys Knapp is showing players an evaluation
What's the next game you see the Raiders winning? Man o man, if they can't beat the Jags at home, things might get ugly. jgrange wrote:
BanditoB wrote:
ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years.
A team of the decades needs to do better than 3 division titles in 11 years. Winning a division title was the norm before I was born, now it's a fantasy. The team has had 9 winning seasons since their last Super Bowl win. You think that's acceptable?
The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts.
Meaningless stat since we didn't win....
People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant.
Al Davis never rebuilt. He reloaded, right? Al Davis was struck with very bad luck? Really, that's how you're spinning it? Yeah, it was bad luck that he took roid All Stars like Gallery and signed LaMont Jordan to a ridiculous contract. It was bad luck that he drafted a player with no work ethic in JaMarcus Russell. It was bad luck that he gave Javon Walker a horrendous deal that nobody would've given him. It was bad luck that he traded for DeAngelo Hall, a player who did not fit the defensive scheme BTW, since you're always harping on players fitting the scheme... Even Terdell Sands thinks this is hilarious.
But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft.
The first 8 - 8 year was a sign of them possibly turning it around. Letting the head coach walk, mismanaging player's contracts because they took advantage of the lack of a salary cap year, when they knew the CBA would come back, and they would have to honor the contracts and probably re-work most of them again was not a sign of turning it around. Taking flyers on players in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft when Campbell was a serviceable QB is not a sign of a team turning it around. There were a lot of moves that were a sign of desperation.
This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over.
I do not care. I am willing to endure 1 or 2 seasons of crap football in order to stockpile draft picks, save money, and then put the draft picks and cap space all together to field a legitimate football team that can actually contend with winning teams. This team could not compete with winning teams and even if they did luck into winning the division at 8 - 8 or 9 - 7, they still wouldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Who wants a team with the talent to continually exit the playoffs in the wild card round?
Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have.
Pure genius. Don't counter your argument. Probably because you know that you didn't put much thought into it and crafted a lazy post on the message board.
Why do we have to hold Reggie to higher standards when you refused to hold Al to a higher standard? You just allowed Al to make his moves and deal with them. I've been angry at how this franchise has been run since they moved back to Oakland. You've been content with hoping to finish 8 - 8.
Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
Bill Parcells gutted every team he walked into recently but he had the cap space to sign some guys who were adequate for depth and half decent enough to start. The Raiders don't have that luxury due to Al's horrible salary cap management. Most good GMs who are hired scrap the old system almost immediately and begin to overhaul the roster with their hires and their players. Reggie is doing nothing different from what other modern GMs and executives do. In order to change the culture of losing that you subscribed to and supported blindly, you have to purge the roster and begin anew. That's something that you fail to realize. You resist change because of the unknown. The more sensible fans who are sick of losing embrace the change because it can't get any worse than it has been. Like I said before, I'm 28 years old and the Raiders have had 9 winning seasons in my lifetime. You apparently support the 19 years of losing, awful football. I do not want to be like you; a perennial loser. I want to win.
WHADAYA MEAN WE HURT YOUR FEELINGS?
WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD ANY FEELINGS!!!
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Posted: 10/08/2012 1:05 PM
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They have the players to beat the Jags and the Chiefs so it's all a matter of them executing. That's asking a lot these days but we should have a shot to beat those 2 teams at least. snakewasthebestqb wrote: What's the next game you see the Raiders winning?
Man o man, if they can't beat the Jags at home, things might get ugly.
jgrange wrote:
BanditoB wrote:
ECRaidersfan wrote:
We have sucked for 20+ years so I just figure what the hell is a few more if it all works out down the road?
We were mediocre each of the past 2 seasons, but a competitive young and talented team on the rise. Over the past 11 years we were AFC West champs 3 times, and .500 or better 5 out of 11 years. .500 or better 7 of the past 13 years.
A team of the decades needs to do better than 3 division titles in 11 years. Winning a division title was the norm before I was born, now it's a fantasy. The team has had 9 winning seasons since their last Super Bowl win. You think that's acceptable?
The only teams to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl since last time the Raiders did it? The Steelers, the Patriots, and the Colts.
Meaningless stat since we didn't win....
People's perspective the Raiders sucking over the past 10-15-20 years is out of whack. They had an epically bad 7 year stretch after their last super bowl appearance, unlike anything in the history of Al Davis' Raiders. That was obviously keyed by having the oldest team in the NFL last time we appeared in the Super Bowl, combined with Al Davis reluctance to rebuild during that stretch, combined with the epic failure that was Jamarcus Russell. Al Davis was not perfect, he made some very bad decisions during that stretch, but he was also struck with some very bad luck. Other than that stretch, the Raiders have not sucked at all, they've consistently been competitive, and sometimes dominant.
Al Davis never rebuilt. He reloaded, right? Al Davis was struck with very bad luck? Really, that's how you're spinning it? Yeah, it was bad luck that he took roid All Stars like Gallery and signed LaMont Jordan to a ridiculous contract. It was bad luck that he drafted a player with no work ethic in JaMarcus Russell. It was bad luck that he gave Javon Walker a horrendous deal that nobody would've given him. It was bad luck that he traded for DeAngelo Hall, a player who did not fit the defensive scheme BTW, since you're always harping on players fitting the scheme... Even Terdell Sands thinks this is hilarious.
But what most of us Raiders fans saw over the past couple years was a team that was turning it around again. That's why the Raiders started selling out games again. Al Davis finally went into a true rebuild, and it seemed to be paying dividends. Even those who pleaded for Al Davis to hire a GM couldn't help but give him props on his last couple years as a GM, especially in the draft.
The first 8 - 8 year was a sign of them possibly turning it around. Letting the head coach walk, mismanaging player's contracts because they took advantage of the lack of a salary cap year, when they knew the CBA would come back, and they would have to honor the contracts and probably re-work most of them again was not a sign of turning it around. Taking flyers on players in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft when Campbell was a serviceable QB is not a sign of a team turning it around. There were a lot of moves that were a sign of desperation.
This is what makes it so frustrating that this new crew has this team on pace for THEIR WORST SEASON SINCE 1961, based on point differential. That's before Al Davis took the franchise over. Even throughout those 7 years of recent suckage, we never had a team perform as bad as this team has through 4 games...and we've gone through a lot of new coaches, good and bad, in that time frame. And we've had rosters FAR LESS TALENTED than the current roster...it's even more extreme if you look at the roster Reggie actually inherited, because he has made it considerably worse since he took over.
I do not care. I am willing to endure 1 or 2 seasons of crap football in order to stockpile draft picks, save money, and then put the draft picks and cap space all together to field a legitimate football team that can actually contend with winning teams. This team could not compete with winning teams and even if they did luck into winning the division at 8 - 8 or 9 - 7, they still wouldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs. Who wants a team with the talent to continually exit the playoffs in the wild card round?
Don't feel the need to try to make some type of counter argument here. Just soak it in. This was not a poorly run franchise, and you should be holding Reggie and co to high standards. Things can get a lot worse than what they have been over the past 20 years. Just because we haven't been the gold standard of the NFL most of the past decade doesn't mean we should be accepting of the new staff coming in and making us worse by wasting the talent we already have.
Pure genius. Don't counter your argument. Probably because you know that you didn't put much thought into it and crafted a lazy post on the message board.
Why do we have to hold Reggie to higher standards when you refused to hold Al to a higher standard? You just allowed Al to make his moves and deal with them. I've been angry at how this franchise has been run since they moved back to Oakland. You've been content with hoping to finish 8 - 8.
Good coaches and GM's don't make their teams worse before they get better, they step in and make improvements immediately. This team has made no improvements, and I don't think it's asking for too much to see some progress. This whole "we've been phucked before, so I don't mind getting phucked for a few more years" bullshyt needs to stop. Most of you always took Al Davis for granted, that's the cold hard truth, and by the time you realize that, we'll probably be a faceless, nameless, losing organization. Time to wake up.
Bill Parcells gutted every team he walked into recently but he had the cap space to sign some guys who were adequate for depth and half decent enough to start. The Raiders don't have that luxury due to Al's horrible salary cap management. Most good GMs who are hired scrap the old system almost immediately and begin to overhaul the roster with their hires and their players. Reggie is doing nothing different from what other modern GMs and executives do. In order to change the culture of losing that you subscribed to and supported blindly, you have to purge the roster and begin anew. That's something that you fail to realize. You resist change because of the unknown. The more sensible fans who are sick of losing embrace the change because it can't get any worse than it has been. Like I said before, I'm 28 years old and the Raiders have had 9 winning seasons in my lifetime. You apparently support the 19 years of losing, awful football. I do not want to be like you; a perennial loser. I want to win.
heraldo12 wrote: hail for pauly who's got perfect in its predictions and i love the octopus more than my entire life
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Posted: 10/08/2012 1:19 PM
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It's World of Warcraft and I've never played it. There is a lot of money to be made from the game though. Companies in China set up offices and LANs to have their workers farm for rare items or build characters and then they sell those items/characters on eBay. Perhaps, you can convince your mom to get you the monthly subscription to try your hand at that. My son can't play with Lego's yet. He's only 14 months and they're too small. We build towers with Mega Blocks. He is a very adventurous climber and enjoys using pots and pans to create his own one man band. We also play with Matchbox cars and go to the park regularly. What this has to do with being able to look at our favorite football team subjectively is beyond my comprehension. BanditoB wrote:
This team was on the upswing, and if you can't see that, you are quite simply hog ass dumb phuck stupid. Stick to dusting off your war of world craft figurines and playing lego's with your son, you don't have the perspective it takes to be a knowledgeable football fan.
heraldo12 wrote: hail for pauly who's got perfect in its predictions and i love the octopus more than my entire life
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