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Posted: 09/30/2012 3:38 PM

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Thankfully Frankenberry and Allen have a plan otherwise we could be lost.

We lost this game when Allen deferred the kickoff and gave the ball to Manning to start the game. Phucking moron.

Where are Reggie's guys? Where are the impact players he brought in?

Al was old and crazy but at least we smoked theses fools in Denver last 4 years. Now we can't score a TD.

Yeah I'm a 5'7" 178 lbs whiny bytch. So what?

Convince me where the progress is and what the master plan is.

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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:18 PM

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Raiders Sucked today ....... Progress is not there .... Master Plan was left in the Outhouse.. Did Denver even punt today ???
snakewasthebestqb wrote: Thankfully Frankenberry and Allen have a plan otherwise we could be lost.

We lost this game when Allen deferred the kickoff and gave the ball to Manning to start the game. Phucking moron.

Where are Reggie's guys? Where are the impact players he brought in?

Al was old and crazy but at least we smoked theses fools in Denver last 4 years. Now we can't score a TD.

Yeah I'm a 5'7" 178 lbs whiny bytch. So what?

Convince me where the progress is and what the master plan is.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:37 PM

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The master plan is cleaning out the trash that we have on the roster and cap hell that we are in thanks to Al is contracts over the past decade .

This isn't going to happen over night , or over one season you were delusional to think this if that was indeed what you thought was going to happen .

This team was 8-8 the last two season but we were never a consistent team at all during those past two seasons.

We beat some very low teams and looked like a great offensive team doing it . Then we got our butts kicked by the top tier teams and once again by so the lonely Dolphins in Miami .

Depth is an issue for us as we have none what so ever .
That Seymour with the exception of his 2 blocked passes is done shyt for us to earn his big contract .
That he is $16,315,000 million to release him next year or anytime before the final year of 2017 .

That Kelly is just as bad a $9,374,267 cap hit for us


That Huff is another one $11,288,750 cap hit too


That is $36,978,017 of dead money against the cap if Reggie went and released these worthless players next year . That none is brought anything to the team since they have been here to be worth the deals they were given to them .

It's going to be a long and ugly season snake but we will be better in the long run .
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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:39 PM

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No they didn't punt but they will get a loss next week @NE

But just wait for how well that Falcons offense does against us going to be at least dropping 60 on us .biggrin
BACKOFFJACK wrote: Raiders Sucked today ....... Progress is not there .... Master Plan was left in the Outhouse.. Did Denver even punt today ???
snakewasthebestqb wrote: Thankfully Frankenberry and Allen have a plan otherwise we could be lost.

We lost this game when Allen deferred the kickoff and gave the ball to Manning to start the game. Phucking moron.

Where are Reggie's guys? Where are the impact players he brought in?

Al was old and crazy but at least we smoked theses fools in Denver last 4 years. Now we can't score a TD.

Yeah I'm a 5'7" 178 lbs whiny bytch. So what?

Convince me where the progress is and what the master plan is.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:47 PM

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Let Satele go and sign Briesel. Fail
Let Bush go and trade for Goodson. Fail
Trade Murphy for nothing and can't find a healthy WR. Fail

You say the roster sucks and yet his draft picks can't win a job. Fail
Out coached and out played today. Fail

Your attempt at explaining this. Fail

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Posted: 09/30/2012 4:48 PM

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snakewasthebestqb wrote: Let Satele go and sign Briesel. Fail
Let Bush go and trade for Goodson. Fail
Trade Murphy for nothing and can't find a healthy WR. Fail

You say the roster sucks and yet his draft picks can't win a job. Fail
Out coached and out played today. Fail

Your attempt at explaining this. Fail
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Posted: 09/30/2012 5:08 PM

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How do you know what the master plan is!??  This is the NFL!!  The master plan is about winning and improving!! That's the only plan Reggie and Allen should be worried about.  Reggie was quoted as saying this roster is a playoff roster.  We competed last year!  This game was an embarrassment.  We looked like a damn high school team out there today.    This isn't college where it takes 3-4 years to build your program!  This is the phucken NFL!!  I don't care about the cap or who is overpaid, I care about winning! Our secondary sucks b/c we cut our starting CBs in favor of cast offs from other teams.   Our offense sucks b/c we hired a moron who hasn't lasted longer than two years with any NFL team in his career.  Who gives a crap about continuity, it's overrated, let's start all over!  eek1Our DL sucks and can't get any pressure b/c they are forcing them to play run first focusing on gap control instead of pinning their ears back and causing havoc in the backfield.  That type of philosophy is great if you have LBers that can rush the passer.  We don't and it shows!  
nascarford0688 wrote: The master plan is cleaning out the trash that we have on the roster and cap hell that we are in thanks to Al is contracts over the past decade .

This isn't going to happen over night , or over one season you were delusional to think this if that was indeed what you thought was going to happen .

This team was 8-8 the last two season but we were never a consistent team at all during those past two seasons.

We beat some very low teams and looked like a great offensive team doing it . Then we got our butts kicked by the top tier teams and once again by so the lonely Dolphins in Miami .

Depth is an issue for us as we have none what so ever .
That Seymour with the exception of his 2 blocked passes is done shyt for us to earn his big contract .
That he is $16,315,000 million to release him next year or anytime before the final year of 2017 .

That Kelly is just as bad a $9,374,267 cap hit for us


That Huff is another one $11,288,750 cap hit too


That is $36,978,017 of dead money against the cap if Reggie went and released these worthless players next year . That none is brought anything to the team since they have been here to be worth the deals they were given to them .

It's going to be a long and ugly season snake but we will be better in the long run .

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Posted: 09/30/2012 5:16 PM

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snakewasthebestqb wrote: Let Satele go and sign Briesel. Fail Wiz is a better center then Samson .

Let Bush go and trade for Goodson. Fail
We couldn't afford Bush for what he was asking to re-sign him .

Trade Murphy for nothing and can't find a healthy WR. Fail
Murphy is giving us a conditional draft pick based on his play this year for the Panthers . He was traded when we had at that time healthy receivers .

You say the roster sucks and yet his draft picks can't win a job. Fail
Burris is been playing well for the injured Curry .
Criner is been injured so is a less then 100% player should play that Reggie drafted to satisfy you for his selecting him then ?

Out coached and out played today. Fail
What are you expecting Snake .Dennis is a rookie HC going to be a growing process with him .

Your attempt at explaining this. Fail
Maybe you need to just take a break from the Raiders and go enjoy the next 30 days until the Celtics season starts .

Cause this is going to be a long season and more losses for the Raiders as the team is sucked for the past decade and one off-season , one draft isn't going to change this over night .

So go smoke some good stuff get ready for a new episode of SOA and the Celtics seasons to begin and the beat down we will give the Heat to open the season with .
Everyone is frustrated with the losing but this team was far from being the playoff contender that some believed they were at 8-8 last year .
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Posted: 09/30/2012 5:31 PM

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I don't like my team to lose but I can live with a hard fought one. All 3 losses this year have looked like our guys quit. The d got lucky last week. On top of that, we're getting so badly out schemed it's simply embarrassing.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 5:32 PM

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If the game plan going in was to give Manning the ball on the opening kickoff and never look back, well then bravo.
If the game plan going in was to score a whopping 6 points, well then bravo.
If the game plan going was to look as unorganized as possible, well then bravo.
If the game plan going in was to get outplayed on offense, defense and special teams, well then bravo.

Silly me, I thought you could rebuild and score touchdowns at the same time. I guess we didn't hire multitaskers.

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Posted: 09/30/2012 5:54 PM

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Why our offense regressed with one of the best RB in the league, and a true QB is beyond me. How Greg Knapp fail is all on Knapp, even without DHB or Ford you still have 3 other WRs.

Here is Allen's biggest mistake as a new HC, he got rid of the coaches which were the strength of the team. D-line and O-line, replaced them with "his" guy. Allen has easily fallen out of favor with that move, and rightfully so. Any good HC with half a brain knows to keep staff members that were the strong points of the team. Ok sure I'll give him a freebie on OC because Hue was the play caller. You don't see Mike Tomlin hiring his own defensive coordinator in Pittsburgh. Then trying to force players to fit within a system instead of designing a system around the players was his next downfall. His comment about ZBS should be a concern for fans. I have no problem with the ZBS but the problem is your scheme isn't opening holes for our RB to run through and your offensive coordinator can't call plays to save his own life.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 6:57 PM

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NM505 wrote: How do you know what the master plan is!??  This is the NFL!!  The master plan is about winning and improving!! Reggie is trying to improve the Salary cap that is been an issue for ever for us . Going to take more then one season to do that . Waving a Magic wand doesn't fix this issue . Setting that cap to off might work on a video game but it doesn't in real life .

Any coach you do need Talent to win and that is got to be across the entire roster not just in some spots you need depth here which we don't have . Why because overpaying a few players in previous years and missing on draft picks through this decade that is hurt the team .


That's the only plan Reggie and Allen should be worried about.  Reggie was quoted as saying this roster is a playoff roster. So he should've gone the Hue route and said no I expect the 1st overall pick because these guys suck something awful ?  We competed last year!  Yeah we sure did in only 8 games of the year and then took another 8 games off guess that explains the 8-8 record we finished with too .
This game was an embarrassment.  yes it was an embarrassment
We looked like a damn high school team out there today.  No pass rush ,Poor tackling , patchwork secondary against a Hall of fame QB . Sure not hard to figure out who wins this match-up or could've seen it coming .

This isn't college where it takes 3-4 years to build your program!  This is the phucken NFL!!  I don't care about the cap or who is overpaid, I care about winning! You should care about the cap as it goes hand in hand with winning as it is how you spending the money across the board to the roster then just throwing it at one or two spots and to players that don't fit into the scheme your running doesn't get you any results and handcuffs you on getting depth players .


Our secondary sucks b/c we cut our starting CBs in favor of cast offs from other teams.
Routt sucked before his contract and then when asked to redo it said no so out the door he went . Chris Johnson that got whipped how many times last year .
DVD just didn't do anything and was given a shot to step up all through preseason this year .

   Our offense sucks b/c we hired a moron who hasn't lasted longer than two years with any NFL team in his career. 
Who gives a crap about continuity, it's overrated, let's start all over!  eek1
Yeah lets see Al mister change coaches every about average 18 months over the last decade that is got us what to show for it ?

Our DL sucks and can't get any pressure b/c they are forcing them to play run first focusing on gap control instead of pinning their ears back and causing havoc in the backfield. 
Yeah hate to think that the coaching staff would be wanting the DL to actually think about stopping the runner now wouldn't we it is worked so well the previous decade to just go full bore at the QB and let the runners gash us for big plays all day .
That type of philosophy is great if you have LBers that can rush the passer.  We don't and it shows! The issue with the DL is Seymour is got what he wanted  his Big Fat pay day and is content to sitting on his a$$ and collecting a check then earning his money . That Kelly is following his lead in this too . 
Both need to be released yet is a huge as cap hit to do that and ties the hands of signing quality players to replace them with .


Lot of you all b*tching and moaning yet don't see any of you all being hired by a NFL team since all of you seem to know exactly how to fix the issues here for the Raiders ? Sure some of you might go and partake this devote wisdom on the lonely Cleveland Browns who would be greatly appreciated to hearing how they can turn around their team is struggles .


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Posted: 09/30/2012 7:06 PM

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nascarford0688 wrote:
Lot of you all b*tching and moaning yet don't see any of you all being hired by a NFL team since all of you seem to know exactly how to fix the issues here for the Raiders ? Sure some of you might go and partake this devote wisdom on the lonely Cleveland Browns who would be greatly appreciated to hearing how they can turn around their team is struggles .
 
No, not us, just maybe someone like Hue Jackson - a guy who made this offense operate, salary cap or not, without being a f***ing embarrassment. 

We're not talking about this team winning the Super Bowl, we're talking about the team not looking like a joke. Nothing you're saying explains how bad this team has looked in 3 out of 4 games. None of it. We knew the defense was going to be bad because of the lack of talent - but you are completely oblivious to reality if you think your explanation of "we only looked good on offense against bad teams last year" holds any water at all. They were 9th in the league on offense last year. It wasn't because they tore up bad teams, only.

Let's also remember that Denver and Miami aren't exactly the best teams in the world. We just made them look like the best. Because we're horrible.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 8:17 PM

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NM505 wrote: How do you know what the master plan is!??  This is the NFL!!  The master plan is about winning and improving!! Reggie is trying to improve the Salary cap that is been an issue for ever for us . Going to take more then one season to do that . Waving a Magic wand doesn't fix this issue . Setting that cap to off might work on a video game but it doesn't in real life .  The bottom line is winning and improving as a team, cap issues or not.  We laid an egg on most of our new acquisitions.  And you keep harping about how bad our talent is -- have you looked at the Broncos, Chargers, and Dolphins rosters?  Take a look and the Cardinals roster.  WE have enough talent to compete in this league whether you want to believe it or not.  Our problem right now is our schemes and coaches. 

Any coach you do need Talent to win and that is got to be across the entire roster not just in some spots you need depth here which we don't have . Why because overpaying a few players in previous years and missing on draft picks through this decade that is hurt the team .  Again this is the NFL, starters start, backups play special teams.  Depth is not as important as you make it out to be.  The problem is with our schemes and adjustments or lack thereof.  

That's the only plan Reggie and Allen should be worried about.  Reggie was quoted as saying this roster is a playoff roster. So he should've gone the Hue route and said no I expect the 1st overall pick because these guys suck something awful ?  noideaWe competed last year!  Yeah we sure did in only 8 games of the year and then took another 8 games off guess that explains the 8-8 record we finished with too . We were 7-4 after the 12th week of the season last year.  That's with losing our Owner and best RB.  We had 3 blowout loses to the Chiefs 28-0, Dolphins 34-14, and Packers 46-16.  We already have 2 this year in 4 games!
This game was an embarrassment.  yes it was an embarrassment cool
We looked like a damn high school team out there today.  No pass rush ,Poor tackling , patchwork secondary against a Hall of fame QB . Sure not hard to figure out who wins this match-up or could've seen it coming .   Who's fault is it for the patchwork secondary?  Who's fault is it for the lack of pass rush?  Our D looks worse than last year!! I haven't seen one blitz work this year.  Everyone in the league knows how important the CB position is.  You don't replace your starting CBs with a guy that has been out of the league for a year and a cast off from another team.  Then to add to it you cut a second year player for Hansen.  Did you see him play today??  He's horrible!!  Playing inside or outside!     

This isn't college where it takes 3-4 years to build your program!  This is the phucken NFL!!  I don't care about the cap or who is overpaid, I care about winning! You should care about the cap as it goes hand in hand with winning as it is how you spending the money across the board to the roster then just throwing it at one or two spots and to players that don't fit into the scheme your running doesn't get you any results and handcuffs you on getting depth players .  The cap is what it is, Reggie knew about the cap coming into this thing.  His mistake was allowing Allen to bring in Knapp and not hitting the draft hard for a CB or rush end.  Bartell, Spencer, Hansen, and 58 have been less than impressive.  A GMs job is to improve his team, by evaluating weaknesses and bringing in players to improve the position.  The only player he has brought in that's an improvement is Wheeler. Not to mention we only have two guys contributing from this years draft. 




Our secondary sucks b/c we cut our starting CBs in favor of cast offs from other teams.
Routt sucked before his contract and then when asked to redo it said no so out the door he went . Chris Johnson that got whipped how many times last year .
DVD just didn't do anything and was given a shot to step up all through preseason this year .
  DVD was not given a shot to step up.  Just like Chekwa. 23 hasn't done anything to impress and make me feel good about the trade off.  DVD was only in his second year.  Bottom line Reggie failed to improve the position.  You can make excuses all you want by the patch work secondary is on Reggie.
 
   Our offense sucks b/c we hired a moron who hasn't lasted longer than two years with any NFL team in his career. 
Who gives a crap about continuity, it's overrated, let's start all over!  eek1
Yeah lets see Al mister change coaches every about average 18 months over the last decade that is got us what to show for it ?  Al made plenty of mistake, but he sure did understand one thing, the CB position is one of the most important positions in the game. Without CBs, you can't win in this league.

Our DL sucks and can't get any pressure b/c they are forcing them to play run first focusing on gap control instead of pinning their ears back and causing havoc in the backfield. 
Yeah hate to think that the coaching staff would be wanting the DL to actually think about stopping the runner now wouldn't we it is worked so well the previous decade to just go full bore at the QB and let the runners gash us for big plays all day . That's where the schemes come into play.  It's like asking the Giants Dline to play with gap control.  Not going to work. Our team is built more like the Giants than the Packers or Texans. 
That type of philosophy is great if you have LBers that can rush the passer.  We don't and it shows! The issue with the DL is Seymour is got what he wanted  his Big Fat pay day and is content to sitting on his a$$ and collecting a check then earning his money . That Kelly is following his lead in this too . 
Both need to be released yet is a huge as cap hit to do that and ties the hands of signing quality players to replace them with .
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Lot of you all b*tching and moaning yet don't see any of you all being hired by a NFL team since all of you seem to know exactly how to fix the issues here for the Raiders ? Sure some of you might go and partake this devote wisdom on the lonely Cleveland Browns who would be greatly appreciated to hearing how they can turn around their team is struggles .

 
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Posted: 09/30/2012 8:37 PM

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nascarford0688 wrote:
Lot of you all b*tching and moaning yet don't see any of you all being hired by a NFL team since all of you seem to know exactly how to fix the issues here for the Raiders ? Sure some of you might go and partake this devote wisdom on the lonely Cleveland Browns who would be greatly appreciated to hearing how they can turn around their team is struggles .
 
No, not us, just maybe someone like Hue Jackson - a guy who made this offense operate, salary cap or not, without being a f***ing embarrassment.
Hue is part of the reason we have salary cap issues and had thrown out a 1st round and 2nd rd pick on Carson . Was embarrassing to watch back to back blowouts to the Dolphins and Packers last year to . Was embarrassing to see the Chiefs shut us out @home . But wait that right those don't count cause Huey boy gave you a few good games and then can fall back on he was missing his starting QB ,RB and BS that all of you like to throw up of we were just one win away from postseason play .

Yet all want to throw Reggie and Allen well he is got a healthy Darren he is got Carson . Well Carson is shown up this year . Darren isn't figured out that he is got to allow his blockers to get setup first then hit the hole fast .
Knapp was he my choice for OC for us ? No
Wasn't Allen's 1st choice either but since we were denied some coaches then this is what we got .
But he is here and isn't going anywhere this year so just have to deal with it .


We're not talking about this team winning the Super Bowl, we're talking about the team not looking like a joke. Nothing you're saying explains how bad this team has looked in 3 out of 4 games.
The team is actually only really looked bad in today's game a fluke injury to Condo changed the entire opener in the Chargers game . But regardless the Defense still played tough and held Rivers to only one touchdown that wouldn't of happened if Kelly didn't jump offside twice on the same drive as the defense had held the offense .
That Miami game was a short week traveling east that is plagued us before Reggie & Allen got here in these games . The 1st half the team played them tough and was in the game . 2nd half could see the jet lag/time difference had caught up to them plus the heat . Fatigue set in .
But hey we lost  last year down there with Hue so what were you really expecting here from this game ?
Denver facing a Hall of Fame QB that is looking at a patchwork secondary and a DL that is not shown outside of Shaughnessy to get pressure on the QB is going to pick them apart .
That the OL couldn't block the pass rush from Elvis/Von . Darren and the running game weren't able to get going because the OL was getting pushed around .

None of it. We knew the defense was going to be bad because of the lack of talent - but you are completely oblivious to reality if you think your explanation of "we only looked good on offense against bad teams last year" holds any water at all. They were 9th in the league on offense last year. It wasn't because they tore up bad teams, only.
So exactly how did the offense look against the good teams last year loss to NE a good team only 19 points put up in Patriots who had a crap defense too , loss to Packers a good team 16 points put up on yet another team that was having a crappy defense too  . Chiefs shutout an they were missing a ton of starters for the year .

Oh I get it the 35 points we put up on the Bills yeah that was nice shame the defense gave up 38 though .
The 24 points we put up on the Broncos but again shame the defense gave up 34 to Tebow led offense .



Let's also remember that Denver and Miami aren't exactly the best teams in the world. We just made them look like the best. Because we're horrible. Yes never said that Denver or Miami is a good team . But they beat us and that is all time to move on for the bye week and focus on the Falcons this week and improving the consistency of the team is struggles in the 3rd quarter and 3rd down conversions that was also an issue with Hue the last 2 years two .
So either it is the coaches from both regimes are idiots here or it is the players ? So which is it Al/Hue and Reggie/Allen are idiots for not able to have the players able to convert on 3rd downs on offense and get off the field on defense ?

Or is it the players since they are the ones out there on the fields and need to execute the plays better ?
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Posted: 09/30/2012 9:02 PM

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snake wrote: "We lost this game when Allen deferred the kickoff and gave the ball to Manning to start the game. Phucking moron."

That is football 101! You win that toss? YOU TAKE THE BALL ON THE ROAD! Even MORE SO when you are playing Peyton Manning. Got that class? The first thing I said when Dennis did that was say "WTF are you doing Dennis, you just GAVE THEM a 7 point lead!"ohlord

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Hue is part of the reason we have salary cap issues and had thrown out a 1st round and 2nd rd pick on Carson . Was embarrassing to watch back to back blowouts to the Dolphins and Packers last year to . Was embarrassing to see the Chiefs shut us out @home . But wait that right those don't count cause Huey boy gave you a few good games and then can fall back on he was missing his starting QB ,RB and BS that all of you like to throw up of we were just one win away from postseason play .

You keep talking about the Carson trade like that's why we're bad. We lost our first round pick this year - you really think that's the reason we're a joke? We lose our 2nd round next year, I can see that maybe being a little bit of a problem in 2014 or 2015, but we are terrible NOW. NOW.

Yeah, I'm not saying Hue Jackson was the answer, just that he appeared to have more answers than our current staff. A lot more. You mention 3 or 4 losses over all of last season . . . and compare them to the first 4 games of this season where we looked worse than any of our losses last year. Yeah - we looked worse against Miami and Denver than we ever looked last year.

Yet all want to throw Reggie and Allen well he is got a healthy Darren he is got Carson . Well Carson is shown up this year . Darren isn't figured out that he is got to allow his blockers to get setup first then hit the hole fast .
Knapp was he my choice for OC for us ? No
Wasn't Allen's 1st choice either but since we were denied some coaches then this is what we got .
But he is here and isn't going anywhere this year so just have to deal with it .

If you're going to blame this on McFadden, then you're idiot. There's no way around it. They took a functioning offense and made it non-functional, and you're going to blame our most talented player. That's fantastic. Fantastically stupid.

The team is actually only really looked bad in today's game a fluke injury to Condo changed the entire opener in the Chargers game . But regardless the Defense still played tough and held Rivers to only one touchdown that wouldn't of happened if Kelly didn't jump offside twice on the same drive as the defense had held the offense .

It's like you weren't even watching the game. Less than 2 yards per carry - an offense that, without the one guy everyone is blaming for the downfall of the goddamn franchise (Palmer, in case you were wondering), would have looked like a high school squad.

Right, it was only because of the long snapper. You cannot win if you don't score. It's not possible.

That Miami game was a short week traveling east that is plagued us before Reggie & Allen got here in these games . The 1st half the team played them tough and was in the game . 2nd half could see the jet lag/time difference had caught up to them plus the heat . Fatigue set in .
But hey we lost  last year down there with Hue so what were you really expecting here from this game ?
Denver facing a Hall of Fame QB that is looking at a patchwork secondary and a DL that is not shown outside of Shaughnessy to get pressure on the QB is going to pick them apart .
That the OL couldn't block the pass rush from Elvis/Von . Darren and the running game weren't able to get going because the OL was getting pushed around .

Weak assed excuses. We should probably be able to come up with some for every horrible loss. Strangely, not every team traveling from the West Coast to Miami gets decimated by a 4th rate team. It's just the Raiders.

I totally agree that Manning was going to score on us no matter what Reggie or Allen did. That really wasn't what made this game embarrassing - it was the 4 3 and outs to start the second half - the only 2 decent drives out of 9 drives. Incompetence on both sides of the ball. Something Hue Jackson seemed able to prevent.

So exactly how did the offense look against the good teams last year loss to NE a good team only 19 points put up in Patriots who had a crap defense too , loss to Packers a good team 16 points put up on yet another team that was having a crappy defense too  . Chiefs shutout an they were missing a ton of starters for the year .

Do you watch the games? Against New England almost every drive they had was good. They didn't have a 3 and out until a 4 play drive in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter (which was actually a 4 and out because they went for it). The offense kept that game within reach, and if not for Campbell throwing 2 picks, it would have been closer.

They were outclassed against Green Bay, but that was one game. And then Kansas City - you're really going to point to Palmer's first game as a Raider after having learned the offense a whole week? That's your argument?

Oh I get it the 35 points we put up on the Bills yeah that was nice shame the defense gave up 38 though .
The 24 points we put up on the Broncos but again shame the defense gave up 34 to Tebow led offense .

Umm - yeah. Those were the defense's fault. Are you arguing otherwise? The offense is supposed to be so good that they have to outscore the other team that happens to be playing against one of the worst defenses in the history of football? A defense that we'll likely be a little bit worse this year, by the way.

Yes never said that Denver or Miami is a good team . But they beat us and that is all time to move on for the bye week and focus on the Falcons this week and improving the consistency of the team is struggles in the 3rd quarter and 3rd down conversions that was also an issue with Hue the last 2 years two .

I would love to have your faith, but what exactly is it that gives you the impression that the problems are just things to work on? I'm not seeing it. If you don't see the difference between this year and last, I have to question your ability to analyze football. This is the most points ever given up by the Raiders in the first 4 games of the season. And we've scored half as many points through 4 games as last year. This is not a "hey, we just have to get better on 3rd down" situation. It's broken.


So either it is the coaches from both regimes are idiots here or it is the players ? So which is it Al/Hue and Reggie/Allen are idiots for not able to have the players able to convert on 3rd downs on offense and get off the field on defense ?

Both regimes? No, your comparisons to last year are bogus. Because you're looking at the 4 worst games out of 16 last season and comparing them to our first 4 of this season. We've not even really seen any real trouble. A couple tweaked CB's that were shitty anyway and one offensive lineman doesn't explain this.


Or is it the players since they are the ones out there on the fields and need to execute the plays better ? 

It's the players, too, for sure. And that's on Reggie.

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Posted: 09/30/2012 9:20 PM

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What gives you the slightest indication that Reggie is capable of making this team or any team better? You can hope all you want but all I see are mistakes after mistakes.
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snakewasthebestqb wrote: Thankfully Frankenberry and Allen have a plan otherwise we could be lost.

We lost this game when Allen deferred the kickoff and gave the ball to Manning to start the game. Phucking moron.

Where are Reggie's guys? Where are the impact players he brought in?

Al was old and crazy but at least we smoked theses fools in Denver last 4 years. Now we can't score a TD.

Yeah I'm a 5'7" 178 lbs whiny bytch. So what?

Convince me where the progress is and what the master plan is.
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Posted: 09/30/2012 9:48 PM

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Knapp told Raider Nation to be patient while he installs a ZBS that will never work when the team doesn't have the right players to execute his big plan. So, instead of adjusting to work to the strengths of the players that ARE on the team he has opted to continue demanding that we be patient while he tries to hammer home a scheme that just won't fully work with the current roster. 

The simple definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Knapp has shown us that he is in fact crazy. And, in turn, Allen and McKinzie are crazy for allowing it to continue. 

The thing that bothers me the most is that Allen is still convinced that whatever the hell he is "trying" to do is going to work and won't own the fact that he is digging thing team deeper into the hole it was actually trying to get out of the past two seasons.

His post-game pressers are laughable at best.He should just bring out a digital recorder and hit play and walk off because he says the same thing over and over..."we were out coached, out played".... blah, blah, blah. If that's the problem, then FIX IT ALREADY!

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