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Raiders starting ol

Posted: 09/02/2014 10:07 AM

Raiders starting ol 


will be Penn/Jackon/Wiz/Howard/Barnes. Good to see Jackson winning a spot as now our top 3 picks are starters (makes up for last 2 years). Barnes is a better back up than starter but thankfully we have him as Watkins has been our worst ol. This unit wil be tested sunday as the jets have a very talented dl and it will be extremely hard opening holes but hopefully Howards knowledge will gives us an edge.Penn and Barnes will  probably be liabilities in the passing dept but should be above ave run blocking.Inside should be  strength.Sad thing is we have little depth.Boothe hasn't shown much in preseason and McCants (who looke good in spot duty last year) has been hurt.I pray those two will rebound and give us some positive depth.Bergstrom and Watkns have been given every opportunity and have struggled. You cant ask for a much better power run ol but I am worried our T will get Carr killed.I wouldn't be surprised if we have more rushing attempts than passing attempts this year.
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Posted: 09/02/2014 3:14 PM

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Its really sad how Watson regressed. When healthy last year he was a bright spot in the draft class for us and now people are wondering if he's worth the roster spot...one year wonder?  WTF happened?  Is he playing hurt or did he just regress that bad?
BLEEDSandB wrote: will be Penn/Jackon/Wiz/Howard/Barnes. Good to see Jackson winning a spot as now our top 3 picks are starters (makes up for last 2 years). Barnes is a better back up than starter but thankfully we have him as Watkins has been our worst ol. This unit wil be tested sunday as the jets have a very talented dl and it will be extremely hard opening holes but hopefully Howards knowledge will gives us an edge.Penn and Barnes will  probably be liabilities in the passing dept but should be above ave run blocking.Inside should be  strength.Sad thing is we have little depth.Boothe hasn't shown much in preseason and McCants (who looke good in spot duty last year) has been hurt.I pray those two will rebound and give us some positive depth.Bergstrom and Watkns have been given every opportunity and have struggled. You cant ask for a much better power run ol but I am worried our T will get Carr killed.I wouldn't be surprised if we have more rushing attempts than passing attempts this year.

 

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Posted: 09/02/2014 4:06 PM

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WTF happened was Reggie pulled and Al Davis and drafted a physical specimen way to high rather than focusing on good football players. Jackson makes that O line twice as good as it would be without him. Glad to see Barnes at RT rather than guard because it seems he makes less false starts at RG - although you can bet he will see probably be flagged at least twice a game for something.


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Posted: 09/02/2014 5:36 PM

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That's funny and unfortunately probably true about Barnes

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WTF happened was Reggie pulled and Al Davis and drafted a physical specimen way to high rather than focusing on good football players. Jackson makes that O line twice as good as it would be without him. Glad to see Barnes at RT rather than guard because it seems he makes less false starts at RG - although you can bet he will see probably be flagged at least twice a game for something.

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Posted: 09/03/2014 3:28 AM

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rawhead wrote: WTF happened was Reggie pulled and Al Davis and drafted a physical specimen way to high rather than focusing on good football players. Jackson makes that O line twice as good as it would be without him. Glad to see Barnes at RT rather than guard because it seems he makes less false starts at RG - although you can bet he will see probably be flagged at least twice a game for something.
EXACTLY I keep hearing how he kid has all the tools and great "upside" sick of hearing that. When you take a guy that high in the second round he should be a starter from day 1 imo and NOT some guy you sit and learn th game of football. Dude's from England and hasn't even played him much. He probably would have been there in a much later round.....and Frankenberry takes him in the second /rolleyes
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Posted: 09/03/2014 8:39 AM

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Watson is injured though isn't he?

Watson was graded as a 1st RD pick and was invited to the green room by the NFL, many at the time of the draft thought Oakland hit a home run getting him in RD2 based on his "potential" but everyone also knew he was a project at the same time.

He could end up being a nice OT I think he needs reps and experience but his issue is staying healthy....which is also the issue of our #1 overall pick from that draft.

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Posted: 09/03/2014 10:11 AM

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If that's true, I call conspiracy. Take the best 32 in any draft and not one of them should/would be considered a project. Projects are from rounds 4-7.  The conspiracy kicks in when the NFL unanimously announces that a player like Watson is worth a first rounder knowing full well that the only team who would take him higher than a 4th would be the Raiders.

Of course he has a problem staying healthy. He has very little experience. Many NFL players have been playing since they were 6. Punked by a penny stock pimp if you ask me.
Ibetonart wrote: Watson is injured though isn't he?

Watson was graded as a 1st RD pick and was invited to the green room by the NFL, many at the time of the draft thought Oakland hit a home run getting him in RD2 based on his "potential" but everyone also knew he was a project at the same time.

He could end up being a nice OT I think he needs reps and experience but his issue is staying healthy....which is also the issue of our #1 overall pick from that draft.


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Posted: 09/03/2014 12:47 PM

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Ibetonart wrote: Watson is injured though isn't he?

Watson was graded as a 1st RD pick and was invited to the green room by the NFL, many at the time of the draft thought Oakland hit a home run getting him in RD2 based on his "potential" but everyone also knew he was a project at the same time.

He could end up being a nice OT I think he needs reps and experience but his issue is staying healthy....which is also the issue of our #1 overall pick from that draft.
When you have a losing team and a roster void of talent and depth you don't take projects with top picks. I agree with Raw that's for later rounds or undrafted Free agents.
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Posted: 09/03/2014 9:05 PM

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Austin Howard interview

http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Behind_Enemy_Lines_Oakland_Raiders/cb39c8ed-11ac-4e93-b99d-0ed8e6bfe7f3
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Posted: 09/04/2014 7:36 AM

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Its kind of moot point about the draft.No player is a safe pick.Gallery and McClain were considered the safest pics in their draft.You do your homework and draft best player available and hope for the best.This same staff that drafted this year that had every analyst raving about our picks are the same ones that drafted last year fiasco.Watkins was probably the best value on most boards at that point.Really last years draft may not end up being a bust.qb Wislon was and our top 2 picks haven't shown anything granted Hayden/Watkins are still a work in progress but lb Moore is a starter and if rb Murray/te Rivera/wr Butler can keep improving they might save that draft as It doesn't matter were you find talent as long as you find it.Usually 3 to 4 out of 7 picks aren't even on their team by year 3. Watkins was a high risk/high reward player but they all are.No such thing as a safe player.
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Posted: 09/04/2014 11:09 AM

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All good points Bleeds. Especially how 3-4 out of 7 picks aren't even on the team in year 3. The Raiders have 3 starters from the last years draft this season.  Jackson, Mack and Carr. Carr is the first drafted rookie QB to ever start a Raider season.
So is it that the Raiders are so bad at talent evaluation they have to start 3 rookies? Or did Reggie do a phenom job in the draft? Point being, they may be good enough to start with the Raiders, but could they start on a winning team?

Re: Safe pick. Gallery and McClain were considered the hands down safest and at most needed position  picks when the Raiders took them. Heck, even JR  would have been a steal pick in the second round but he still would have been a bust. So these guys were low risk, no reward. Any team would have picked them a few picks higher if the Raiders didn't. I hear about Waktins perceived value as a first rounder but I have a feeling he would have lasted at least until the 4th if the Raiders didn't pick him. Same with Hayden.
BUT is taking high risk, potential reward players a good idea when you have back to back 4-12 seasons?  We're not buying lottery tickets here.


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Posted: 09/05/2014 11:59 AM

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I agree I do not like the huge risk huge reward types, I was just stating what was said about Watson around draft time.  Many scouts were enamoured with his overall potential and it was so great they put him in RD1.

I did not like the Hayden pick when they made it, they could have traded down AGAIN and still landed him in the 20's no doubt about it, regarldess of how he has been injured, plus Reggie did not get near enough back from Miami in that trade should have at least got a 2nd and a 4th or 5th since Miami had MULTIPLE picks in that draft and we were so short on them

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Posted: 09/05/2014 12:48 PM

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BLEEDSandB wrote: Its kind of moot point about the draft.No player is a safe pick.Gallery and McClain were considered the safest pics in their draft.You do your homework and draft best player available and hope for the best.This same staff that drafted this year that had every analyst raving about our picks are the same ones that drafted last year fiasco.Watkins was probably the best value on most boards at that point.Really last years draft may not end up being a bust.qb Wislon was and our top 2 picks haven't shown anything granted Hayden/Watkins are still a work in progress but lb Moore is a starter and if rb Murray/te Rivera/wr Butler can keep improving they might save that draft as It doesn't matter were you find talent as long as you find it.Usually 3 to 4 out of 7 picks aren't even on their team by year 3. Watkins was a high risk/high reward player but they all are.No such thing as a safe player.
good points and very true. Guess it's like anything. If it pays off you look like a genius. If it doesn't you look like an idiot. Much like going for it on 4th down to win a game instead of kicking for the tie.
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