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Parallels at QB and RM not DA

Posted: 08/11/2014 5:27 PM

Parallels at QB and RM not DA 


Carson Palmer....flop
Flynn and 4th round picks last year ....utter flop
Schaub and Carr....hmmm...

None of that is on DA it's all on RM. I don't think failure this year means a change in HC.....but a clean sweep and regime change.

 

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Posted: 08/11/2014 5:51 PM

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4thringtime wrote: Carson Palmer....flop
Flynn and 4th round picks last year ....utter flop
Schaub and Carr....hmmm...

None of that is on DA it's all on RM. I don't think failure this year means a change in HC.....but a clean sweep and regime change.
Carson Palmer was Hugh Jackson's deal not RM's.  If you are going to be critical at least have your facts straight instead of just pulling stuff out of your @ss

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Posted: 08/11/2014 6:17 PM

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Schaub is who he is and unfortunately Reggie and Allen think he is/was the missing piece. Imo HUGE mistake. Carr on the other hand shows promise. Its hard to totally blame the pick he threw, all though a little high, still should have been caught. I read on nfl.com that Mark Davis was visibly upset after the game which he should be. After all, Schaub could not even make a first down against the # 2's on the other side of the ball which is not a good sign. I know Mark Davis said he would give Reggie the whole five years but if Oakland again goes 4-12 or worse, I think even Mark will rethink that and cut everyone loose.

My real concern is: both Allen and Reggie seem to still be in the off season mode with no fire in them durring the game. The only guy I saw any emotion in durring that game was Tarver. He looked as if he was the only one on the field that cared. That in itself if I was Mark would have me post a " now hiring " sign in the door at headquarters.
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Posted: 08/11/2014 9:59 PM

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But it was RM's deal to trade Palmer. I don't have the figures exactly but I wonder how much more (or less) Palmer would have cost to keep than investing in Schaub? IMO Palmer is twice the QB Schaub is. Add in the Matt Flynn deal and I'm pretty sure Palmer would be not much more expensive. Raider fans were sold on the salary cap hell idea that nothing RM could do was wrong. Two 4-12 seasons later and a preseason game that looks like the Raiders will be lucky to win 2 games this season, let me know how that turns out.
MadBomber3 wrote: Carson Palmer was Hugh Jackson's deal not RM's.  If you are going to be critical at least have your facts straight instead of just pulling stuff out of your @ss


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Posted: 08/11/2014 10:03 PM

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I said the same thing  last year half way through the season. RM and Allen looked like they were experimenting with players for the next season rather than trying to win games.
RAIDER1975 wrote:
My real concern is: both Allen and Reggie seem to still be in the off season mode with no fire in them durring the game.


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Posted: 08/11/2014 10:32 PM

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RM dealt Palmer AWAY so get your facts straight and stop looking like a donkey loser


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4thringtime wrote: Carson Palmer....flop
Flynn and 4th round picks last year ....utter flop
Schaub and Carr....hmmm...

None of that is on DA it's all on RM. I don't think failure this year means a change in HC.....but a clean sweep and regime change.
Carson Palmer was Hugh Jackson's deal not RM's.  If you are going to be critical at least have your facts straight instead of just pulling stuff out of your @ss

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Posted: 08/12/2014 7:17 AM

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Things are getting heated up in here for one preseason loss.  I for one would take Schaubbie over Palmer.  May be that he was a USC alum and as a Irish fan I hate me some USC.

Play makers make plays, every coach says that.  Part of making a play is running a route right, reading coverage and catching the damn ball.  Rivera reminded me of Roberto Duran

and not because he was knocking them out.  I am much more concerned about the way our defense played than the offense.  I do feel we were a tackle from stopping drives and with the vets we have and the young talented players we have I am sure it will be fixed.



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Posted: 08/12/2014 7:33 AM

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rawhead wrote: But it was RM's deal to trade Palmer. I don't have the figures exactly but I wonder how much more (or less) Palmer would have cost to keep than investing in Schaub? IMO Palmer is twice the QB Schaub is. Add in the Matt Flynn deal and I'm pretty sure Palmer would be not much more expensive. Raider fans were sold on the salary cap hell idea that nothing RM could do was wrong. Two 4-12 seasons later and a preseason game that looks like the Raiders will be lucky to win 2 games this season, let me know how that turns out.
MadBomber3 wrote: Carson Palmer was Hugh Jackson's deal not RM's.  If you are going to be critical at least have your facts straight instead of just pulling stuff out of your @ss
Who knew Flynn could only play in cheese head green.  Was it a stretch to think he was the next winning QB in Oakland?   Maybe, but he is about five years younger than Palmer and RM probably felt he knew a little more about him backing up Rodgers.  Flynn had a good game against the Patriots and set records against Detroit.  Many QB come out of college without that NFL resume and sign for more.

IMO it is way to early to freak out.  When I evaluate our players by position I still see a good year and the playoffs.

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Posted: 08/12/2014 10:38 AM

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4thringtime wrote: RM dealt Palmer AWAY so get your facts straight and stop looking like a donkey loser


And you consider that a flop eek1?  He dealt Palmer away because he is overrated and has been for years and was not worth his salary.  He proved that by throwing 22 Ints (second only to Eli) and failing to get Arizona into the playoffs despite having a very good defense.
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Posted: 08/12/2014 10:43 AM

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Letting Palmer go has been a huge mistake.Im not a big Palmer fan but no doubt he has been the best qb we have had since Gannon and its been a circus at the most important postion on a football team since.If Carr is a bust RM downfall will be never replacing Palmer with adequate talent.Hopefully this season proves RM had a plan and wasnt drunk the whole time.Granted working for the Raiders after the last 10 years drinking is probably a requirement to help cope with.
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Posted: 08/12/2014 11:45 AM

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Even though Palmer threw 24 picks last year... he was pretty good the year before with us. The thing is, if i remember we were in cap hell... and Palmer didn't want to help the team by taking a pay cut. noidea

 
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Posted: 08/12/2014 1:11 PM

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Hopefully we can all agree the most important stat for a quarterback is wins and losses.  That is why some Raider fans, me included, loved Jim Plunkett.  His stats were mediocre but he has two super bowl rings and Danny Marino has zero.  He also played well in the big game.

That being said Palmer sucks.  Only once has he thrown less than 10 picks, and that year he had 129 attempts, and that year the f**n bum threw more picks than TD's.   He has had Chad Johnson, Hushshouldmatta, and Larry Fitzgerald.  He has had running backs that have helped him out and he still couldn't deliver.

So we will find out about Schaub, but lets not start comparing Palmer to Favre.  Palmer didn't win dick.

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Posted: 08/12/2014 2:24 PM

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What about that Jeff George guy!  229031_rofl.gif

 
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Posted: 08/12/2014 4:10 PM

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I wish we had a qb like jeff george. His 1season with us 29 td/ 9int i could only dream schaub puts up numbers like that.
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Posted: 08/12/2014 4:11 PM

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Palmer was not worth what we paid for him or what he was being paid. Same goes for Schaub. I want neither of them. I thought "Great job Reggie" when he got rid of Palmer and turned around and said "WTF???" when he got Schaub.
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And you consider that a flop eek1?  He dealt Palmer away because he is overrated and has been for years and was not worth his salary.  He proved that by throwing 22 Ints (second only to Eli) and failing to get Arizona into the playoffs despite having a very good defense.


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Posted: 08/12/2014 4:15 PM

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Too bad George was a head case. He was one of my favorite QB's to watch throw the ball.
BLEEDSandB wrote: I wish we had a qb like jeff george. His 1season with us 29 td/ 9int i could only dream schaub puts up numbers like that.


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Posted: 08/12/2014 7:39 PM

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It wouldn't be a flop EXCEPT that he saved $10m and spent $14m on Flynn and Schaub. Oh and CP did start last season how about Flynn and Schaub. ..... Does this analysis require some + and - symbols to help you?


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4thringtime wrote: RM dealt Palmer AWAY so get your facts straight and stop looking like a donkey loser


And you consider that a flop eek1?  He dealt Palmer away because he is overrated and has been for years and was not worth his salary.  He proved that by throwing 22 Ints (second only to Eli) and failing to get Arizona into the playoffs despite having a very good defense.

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Posted: 08/13/2014 8:23 AM

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4thringtime wrote: RM dealt Palmer AWAY so get your facts straight and stop looking like a donkey loser


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4thringtime wrote: Carson Palmer....flop
Flynn and 4th round picks last year ....utter flop
Schaub and Carr....hmmm...

None of that is on DA it's all on RM. I don't think failure this year means a change in HC.....but a clean sweep and regime change.
Carson Palmer was Hugh Jackson's deal not RM's.  If you are going to be critical at least have your facts straight instead of just pulling stuff out of your @ss

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