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Have we ever been this bad?

Posted: 09/06/2013 3:37 PM

Have we ever been this bad? 


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I don't recall, in the Al Davis era, and constant "reloading" that we ever were considered #32 and this bad overall going into the start of a season? 
If the pundits that have labeled us the worst team in football are correct can Pryor do "good enough" to be the starter next year and enable us to not draft a QB or must he win enough games for that to happen - enough games so that we don't have a top pick?

 

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Posted: 09/06/2013 10:10 PM

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This is the first time I ever remember that many pundits have the Raiders at #32. We could go 2-14 and not be #32. If by top pick you mean one of the first 5, I don't think the Raiders can win more than 4-5 games to draft in the top 5.


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Posted: 09/06/2013 11:08 PM

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While we may start out at 32 I don't think we lose enough games to be in the top 5 come draft day next year. Simply put: Pryor will keep enough drives alive with his feet where other q.b's in the past would get sacked. Its no secret Pryor is not Reggie's guy but he was Al's and Mark wants to see it through which I give him credit for. I know a lot of you on this board think we win 2-5 games tops.I think Pryor inspires the team to 7 this year ( man I hope I'm right ) and instead of drafting a q.b we draft best d.lineman or o.lineman available in the first.
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Posted: 09/06/2013 11:22 PM

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Man im not as optimistic as you. But I hope to hell you're right.

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While we may start out at 32 I don't think we lose enough games to be in the top 5 come draft day next year. Simply put: Pryor will keep enough drives alive with his feet where other q.b's in the past would get sacked. Its no secret Pryor is not Reggie's guy but he was Al's and Mark wants to see it through which I give him credit for. I know a lot of you on this board think we win 2-5 games tops.I think Pryor inspires the team to 7 this year ( man I hope I'm right ) and instead of drafting a q.b we draft best d.lineman or o.lineman available in the first.

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Posted: 09/07/2013 12:27 AM

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Then Greg Olsen has to figure out how to identify and block the spy because when Pryor plays, every team will have one player who focuses on him. Hopefully this will improve the run game.
RAIDER1975 wrote: While we may start out at 32 I don't think we lose enough games to be in the top 5 come draft day next year. Simply put: Pryor will keep enough drives alive with his feet where other q.b's in the past would get sacked. Its no secret Pryor is not Reggie's guy but he was Al's and Mark wants to see it through which I give him credit for. I know a lot of you on this board think we win 2-5 games tops.I think Pryor inspires the team to 7 this year ( man I hope I'm right ) and instead of drafting a q.b we draft best d.lineman or o.lineman available in the first.


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Posted: 09/07/2013 4:34 AM

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The Art Shell year a while back was probably worse. That offense scored like 2nd fewest points ever, didn't they?

I think the reason we are assumed to be the league's worst is because a lot of the bad teams last year are overhyped. Fantasy has a lot to do with people's opinions nowadays, and with our 1st round pick we drafted a CB. Most other teams made some very visible move to get excited about, we didn't other than starting an unproven QB. Cleveland Browns, Carolina Panthers, KC Chefs, Tennessee Titans, Philly Eagles, Arizona Cardinals, St Louis Rams, Detroit Lions, they aren't all going to be as good as people think because not every new coach will succeed, not every QB will be an upgrade. Bills, Jets, and Jags will still be bad. Injuries will sink a team or two. There's no way 8-10 teams can significantly improve without someone else falling off.

I think we'll be bottom 3, maybe worst in the league, but probably not worst Raider team ever or 0-16. Pryor has enough talent to beat an average team. He won't consistently do it, but on a good day he will give us a shot against half the league.
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Posted: 09/07/2013 6:18 AM

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One reason we are projected as number 32 is because of the big turn over in players the defense has all new starting LB's Burris is injured. New Cb's, D lineman. It takes some time to get that many players on the same page.
The Offense is the same way and throw in a new OC. New play book new players. We also have to look how many game changers are on this team true game changers?



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Posted: 09/07/2013 8:34 AM

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I couldn't agree more; I see this team playing inspired enough behind Pryor and a defense that will grow through the season to a 7-9 record. D.A. will get a year 3 and Pryor will start in 2014, and possibly fight for a playoff spot in 2014.
RAIDER1975 wrote: While we may start out at 32 I don't think we lose enough games to be in the top 5 come draft day next year. Simply put: Pryor will keep enough drives alive with his feet where other q.b's in the past would get sacked. Its no secret Pryor is not Reggie's guy but he was Al's and Mark wants to see it through which I give him credit for. I know a lot of you on this board think we win 2-5 games tops.I think Pryor inspires the team to 7 this year ( man I hope I'm right ) and instead of drafting a q.b we draft best d.lineman or o.lineman available in the first.
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Posted: 09/07/2013 8:54 AM

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There has been so much roster and coaching turnover and so many question marks at so many positions that it is understandable that people assume this team will be awful.  
As for the team "playing inspired behind Pryor", that can only happen if Pryor plays well, and that means as a passer not just making the occasional big run.  I'm not confident that he is ready and able to do that especially with the patchwork OL and the inconsistent/inexperienced group of receivers he has to work with.
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Posted: 09/07/2013 9:35 AM

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Yeah, the last time that happened the Raiders went to the super bowl.
IERaiderFan wrote: One reason we are projected as number 32 is because of the big turn over in players the defense has all new starting LB's Burris is injured. New Cb's, D lineman. It takes some time to get that many players on the same page.
The Offense is the same way and throw in a new OC. New play book new players. We also have to look how many game changers are on this team true game changers?


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Posted: 09/07/2013 9:43 AM

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I took what ringtime said as "bad" as in NFL projections, not as in what will actually happen. I think the Raiders will do statistically better than that season but it seems the pundit sentiment is more like "another year of the crappy Raiders - they will never get it together" rather than changes in personnel etc.
golaclips wrote: The Art Shell year a while back was probably worse. That offense scored like 2nd fewest points ever, didn't they?


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Posted: 09/07/2013 5:07 PM

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I think that's what he meant too, but what the hell do we care what pundits say? They are wrong with a handful of teams every single year and they all just repeat each other anyway. That was my point, we should care about results more than what some dudes in front of laptops say. They will be excited about plenty of other teams because of coaching changes, QB changes, or drafting fantasy guys. But there will be a lot of teams performing worse than they predicted, and a couple of teams fighting us for the chance to draft Clowney.
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Posted: 09/07/2013 9:51 PM

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I get it. And of course I never listen to what they say. I remember some had us going to the superbowl in a year we went 7-9. I still think it's odd from a statistical stand point they all have the Raiders (or the 4-5 I've read) at #32. You'd think one might have us at #30, another at 28, another at 32 etc.


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Posted: 09/08/2013 12:48 AM

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Raw you bring back memories....I too also remember week 1, monday night in 1997 Dan Dierdorf picking us to go but sadly we went 4-12 under Joe Bugle that year...

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I get it. And of course I never listen to what they say. I remember some had us going to the superbowl in a year we went 7-9. I still think it's odd from a statistical stand point they all have the Raiders (or the 4-5 I've read) at #32. You'd think one might have us at #30, another at 28, another at 32 etc.

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Posted: 09/08/2013 1:36 AM

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I remember that one too. That year the Raiders had one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. And the worst defense. You're right. Diedorf was the guy who said it. I'm remembering back to 1995 when Mike White was the HC.
RAIDER1975 wrote: Raw you bring back memories....I too also remember week 1, monday night in 1997 Dan Dierdorf picking us to go but sadly we went 4-12 under Joe Bugle that year...


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Posted: 09/08/2013 1:52 AM

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Right, Tim Brown 104 balls, Jeff Jorge 35 td's but the defense stunk to high heaven. The big splash free agent at corner from Dallas could not cover, Darrell Russel ( may he rest in peace ) learning the lazy ropes from mcglocton. If I remember right #1 in offense #32 in defense.
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I remember that one too. That year the Raiders had one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. And the worst defense. You're right. Diedorf was the guy who said it. I'm remembering back to 1995 when Mike White was the HC.
RAIDER1975 wrote: Raw you bring back memories....I too also remember week 1, monday night in 1997 Dan Dierdorf picking us to go but sadly we went 4-12 under Joe Bugle that year...


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Posted: 09/08/2013 10:10 AM

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Just hope we can start with some shock and awe. 1-0

 

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Posted: 09/08/2013 11:02 AM

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rawhead wrote:I still think it's odd from a statistical stand point they all have the Raiders (or the 4-5 I've read) at #32. You'd think one might have us at #30, another at 28, another at 32 etc.
I don't know for sure, but I suspect with all these advanced stats, DVOA, pythagorean wins, things like that, there's a lot more information nowadays. That leads to less variation than when rankings are based on just traditional stats and the eye test.
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Posted: 09/09/2013 7:26 AM

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Um yes, it was the 2006 year when we had the bed and breakfast offense.  We hired a guy who last worked in the NFL over 10 years prior to his appointment and it was under Shell.  Everybody was talking about how awful we were going to be and it was a complete disaster/embarrassment.




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Posted: 09/09/2013 9:23 AM

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bed and breakfast offense led by aaron brooks/andrew walter. i've never seen more 3 and outs that year.
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