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Posted: 03/21/2013 2:44 PM

A few more cuts would do 


I for one am over the Carson Palmer project. Yeah he threw for a lot of yards and TDs compared to what we are used too. But he throws way too many INTs. His costs the Raiders too much money. Plus why haven't we cut Kelly? And I'm sorry no one is willing to trade for McClain, so just cut him already please.
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Posted: 03/21/2013 4:09 PM

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Agreed

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Posted: 03/21/2013 4:53 PM

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Palmer... He is just another George to me with those numbers. :( Hated seeing Mitchell go though confused

 
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Posted: 03/21/2013 11:37 PM

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EpicWarLord wrote: I for one am over the Carson Palmer project. Yeah he threw for a lot of yards and TDs compared to what we are used too. But he throws way too many INTs. His costs the Raiders too much money.
Agree on Kelly and McClain, but if you're complaining about Palmer you need to bring more than that. Everyone says that Carson threw too many picks, he threw 14 in 14 games and 1 quarter. That was middle of the pack among starting QBs. The following QB had more interceptions than Palmer (2.5% of his throws):
Josh Freeman
Andrew Luck
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Russell Wilson

Would we be calling for our starting QB to be released because of INT if we had one of these guys? I believe Carson is an average QB, no more, no less and the stats support that. If he will take an average QB salary, he would still have value to this team. The money is definitely a problem, but why not offer a restructure rather than demand his release? Unless we simply don't like the guy. If that's the case, just say so, as fans watching sports for entertainment value we have a right to complain about a boring uncharismatic QB.
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Posted: 03/23/2013 8:46 AM

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CP is an average QB yes...and throws some int's yes. The key is"WHEN" he throws them. I could care less about the hail mary's just before the half...or at the end of a game in the end zone....but not in crucial situations. That is when he seems to throw them. That is the problem.
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Posted: 03/23/2013 8:50 AM

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Yes we gave too much for CP3. Yes he is overpaid. Yes he threw for a bunch of yards. Get him to agree to a more reasonable contract and keep him. He also had to deal with the juvenile offense Knapp ran last year.
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Posted: 03/24/2013 5:28 AM

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DonkeyHater wrote: CP is an average QB yes...and throws some int's yes. The key is"WHEN" he throws them. I could care less about the hail mary's just before the half...or at the end of a game in the end zone....but not in crucial situations. That is when he seems to throw them. That is the problem.
That's a little harder to measure, and "crucial situations" is fairly ambiguous, but I think we can agree that the ball inside the 20 with a chance to score is a crucial situation. Carson had one red zone interception in 2012 on 63 pass attempts. So did 26 other QBs, with the league high being 4.

If CP was making $7 million instead of 14, would everyone still be hating on him? I'm not a big fan of his, I didn't like the trade, but what I saw on the field after his first real offseason here was a guy who did a decent job despite not getting a lot of help. He knew the team stunk and he had to put the team on his shoulders, so he played to win and in doing so forced some throws he shouldn't have. Trust me it would have been just as frustrating if he never took risks, played overly conservative and always threw balls out of bounds. We all were disappointed by the rough season, we all want to see whether Pryor is the real deal or not, but it doesn't mean we have to talk about Palmer like he's Ryan Lindley. It's arguable whether any QB in the league could have won with this team last year. Other than a few positives like Jano, we sucked on offense, defense, and special teams. I get the feeling that a lot of people here put that all on CP, whereas if it were Pryor we'd be making excuses for him. He's young, the team sucked, his OC was terrible, too many guys got injured, etc.
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Posted: 03/24/2013 11:09 PM

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The only prob with CP is his cost. Not since Gannon have we been this settled on a decent QB. It's nice not worrying about who is QB. Though he is getting paid like a top 10 and he is not. I'd rather see them hand it off to TP, and see if he is for real or not.

 

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Posted: 03/25/2013 6:23 AM

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4thringtime wrote: The only prob with CP is his cost. Not since Gannon have we been this settled on a decent QB. It's nice not worrying about who is QB. Though he is getting paid like a top 10 and he is not. I'd rather see them hand it off to TP, and see if he is for real or not.
That's the way I feel, although Campbell was nice too. It's pretty sad though that this is the best we've had since Gannon, but Palmer provides stability.

I'm fine with TP and the prospect of an even worse year if we go into a full rebuild, which it seems like we kind of are. We stunk for years so what's one more season? However I don't believe he's ready for a full season, and I would hate for people to judge a seemingly hard-working kid that we all know was a prospect because he was thrown into the fire too early. If he starts I expect him to show some good, some bad, wind up last in the division again, probably miss a few games due to injury, and we'll be just as divided next offseason on what we should do at QB. Something tells me that it won't be as simple as watching him and knowing if he's for real or not.
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Posted: 03/25/2013 11:34 AM

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Carson Palmer has a lot more issues than just INTs.

As some stated the "when" of his INTs are crucial.

HIs 3rd down conversions especially during critical times during games are lacking.  He can't lead a drive and sustain a drive to take time off the clock and keep the defense off the field.

Dec 6th versus Denver was Palmer's FIRST...FIRST I say one more time FIRST drive of 5 minutes or more all SEASON.

Terelle Pryor had TWO 7 minute drives in his ONE START.  Against a SD team that the week before sacked a QB 11 times.

You can throw 4000 yards and 3 TDs after your team is already down 5 TDs because you already tossed three INTs all you want, the result is still a LOSS.

Palmer led the Bengals for 8 years and made TWO PLAYOFFS..TWO

He left..the two years he has NOT been there Bengals have made back to back playoffs with a rookie QB and WR and the same team Palmer had in 2010, that led to a top 10 pick.

Sustaining drives, NOT GIVING UP ON 3rd downs and 4th downs, not throwing it away because you are so immobile you have no other option.  Palmer holds the ball so long and his WR run the routes and if they are not perfect he has no play, he can NOT IMPROVISE for ****.

Palmer is not even mediocre IMO.

Put him on Baltimore last year instead of Flacco and they lose 8 games.

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