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Raiders vs. Chiefs, does it really matter?

Posted: 12/14/2012 1:23 PM

Raiders vs. Chiefs, does it really matter? 


December 14, 2012 | By C.J. Moore | CBSSports.com | Chiefs Game Preview vs. Raiders: Analysis, Prediction

Does it matter?: It will be a rare week for one of these franchises to feel good about itself with a win, but neither really benefits that much from a victory. In fact, the winner will only hurt its position in the draft and both teams are in the running for the top pick. Other than draft position, there's no reason for outsiders to pay much attention to this game, which was once a great rivalry. The Raiders have dominated the series as of late, winning four out of the last five games.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 4:47 PM

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Yes it matters. If last place is acceptable, you need to question how big of a Raider fan you are. Might as well pee on the grave of Al Davis and all the greatness we were able to witness over the years because of him.

Before this turns into an Al Davis blast, not many owners can say they had their team in the Super Bowl in the 60's, 70's 80's and 00's. And won three of them. He was on the cusp of having this organization turned around when he died.

So yes, not finishing in last place the year after Al dies, or any other year, matters to me.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:02 PM

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Dec. 14, 2012 | By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com |Final Word:AFC West


Oakland's draft status will be watched closely: The Raiders@3-10, are on pace for the No. 3 pick. But they can end up anywhere in the top 10. The Raiders’ three final games are@home against Kansas City on Sunday@Carolina & then at San Diego. The Chiefs are on pace for the No. 1 pick, Carolina the No. 5 pick and the Chargers the No. 9 pick. Thus, each Oakland game will have an impact, directly & in tiebreakers, on determining the top 10 picks.

Chiefs are lousy in divisional games: The Chiefs hope their AFC West luck changes Sunday@Oakland. The 2-11 Chiefs are 0-4 against AFC West opponents, & the games have not been close. Heading into Week 14, the Chiefs had the worst division-game point differential in the NFL in being outscored by 53 points. However, the Cardinals let the Chiefs off the hook by taking a 58-0 drubbing@Seattle. The Cardinals are 1-4 in NFC West games & have been outscored by 103 points in division games. The Chiefs certainly don’t want to overtake the Cardinals in that category this week.

Not sayin' that losing any game is acceptable, neither is last place, but all that has been done to this point in the season has been for the future. If you read recent articles about the team, their gearing up to see where their depth lies for the next season. It's no secret that general manager Reggie McKenzie wants to build through the draft. So what does this game mean in terms of the future?
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Posted: 12/15/2012 7:17 AM

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iwasjustsayin, first it's nice to see another breathing person on this board. As far as the future goes, I don't think there is a huge difference in us drafting number 1 or number 5, or even #10. I think the way this team finishes is going to tell us more about the future. If we win out over three horrible teams, and San Diego loses out, which is very possible, we would finish in second place is AFC West. A terrible record in a terrible division, but second none-the-less. And yes, I know...first loser.

To me, to have that momentum going into next year, will do a lot more for this team than a player we picked up four spots earlier in the draft. It also means the young guys, like Chimdi Chekwa and Terrell Pryor, stepped up.

Like I said in an earlier post that had no response, I don't really trust Reggie Mackenzie to make great draft choices. We obviously have a ton of holes since he wasn't able to or want to work out our high contracts with some of our players. I don't buy that excuse. Every year, Al Davis had the same problem, but every year he got it worked out without having to gut the team.

Last years draft was pathetic to me. I know we didn't have high choices because of the failed GM attempt by Hue Jackson, but the players he did select were all head scratchers. Burriss had a good rookie year, and Biloksi (sp) has started coming on. But drafting Bergstrom, Criner, Stupar, the other DE from Penn State that was a project? And then let a future NFL All-pro in Burfict go undrafted? We couldn't take a flyer on him with our last pick?

Then in FA we go get two washed up CB's. Our two young guys, Chekwa and DVD, were better than what we brought in. We could have started out young and become better as the season went on. Instead, we started out bad and got worse as the year went on. I'll never figure out releasing DVD. Was right there on every receiver, just didn't have confidence to turn around and play the ball. Would have been easy to teach throughout the year and he would have become more confident as season went along from making some plays earlier.

He will be a future All-pro for Ravens or Steelers, whichever team picked him up.

So, I get what you are saying about finishing higher in the draft, higher choice and more trade options. But I just don't know if that is better for the Raiders with MacKenzie making the choices. We'll see, but I think a strong finish helps us for next year.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:34 PM

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Nov 21 | Vic Tafur | blog.sfgate.com | Raiders have gutted half their roster (updated)

(Original post) the Raiders have now parted ways with 26 players who were on the 53-man roster Week 17 of last season.

Of the 27 players no longer on the Raiders roster from last year, 13 are no longer in the NFL (12 are elsewhere).

Thanks. I mean, if the team is going to start looking@younger players & the starters haven't been having much success, it speaks volumes of where the coaching staff thinks their@/& bringing the bench in might not change the momentum.

I will agree with you on top draft picks being a risk & momentum is important, so leave the players & lets see some different offensive & defensive looks. But, I foresee more cuts to come so it's hard to say how much team will be left going into 2013.

There have been many discussions on another forum that I post on about cornerbacks Chimdi Chekwa & DeMarcus Van Dyke & why, they couldn't have been coached up by Dennis Allen & Jason Tarver supposed defensive specialist.

I see your apprehension in general manager Reggie McKenzie & the draft, but I think you & I agree that the draft is a risk & sometimes teams hit, sometimes miss like receivers Juron Criner who was drafted in the fifth round & Rod Streater who wasn't drafted@all.

The one thing I like about how McKenzie drafts, is players will be drafted where their supposed to be according to market value & paid as such. What I don't like is he takes too few risk like in the case of Vontaze Burfict. Solid response. Thanks again.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:50 PM

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this team is going nowhere with DENNIS ALLEN AS A HEAD COACH !!!!! 
REGGIE HIRED A B A D DEF CORD WHOS DOESNT KNOW THE FUNDAMENTALS OF WINNING DEFENSIVE FOOTBALL, AND  THEN MAKES HIM A HEAD COACH ???  !!!!!!
THAT IS A LEAD WEIGHT IN THE POOL  !!!!
AS I SAID IT THEN , I WILL KEEP SAYING IT TILL HE IS REMOVED AND REGGIE NUTURED !!!!
IT WONT MATTER WHO THEY DRAFT OR SIGN AS FREE AGENT !! THEY HAVE THE WORST HEAD COACH EVER  OBV ! ,  AND HE WOULDNT WANT ANY GOOD ASST COACHES AT ALL, COULD ANYONE HERE SEE DENNIS ALLEN WANTING A MIKE NOLAN HERE !! THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN, ALLEN WOULD BE THREATENED BY THAT ! A BETTER DEF CORD THEN HE EVER WAS OR COULD BE , GETTING DELEGATED TO BY A INFERIOR COACH IN DENNIS ALLEN ! THAT AINT HAPPENING ! 
SO AS LONG AS ALLEN IS HERE !!!!!! THEY WILL NEVER HAVE ANY GOOD COACHES WHICH MEANS ANY PLAYER THEY BRING IN WILL FAIL ! OK !!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST START UNDERSTANING THAT !!
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:46 PM

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I can't wait to watch this game naked with IRAIDER as we rub each other down with cocoa butter during half time to soothe the aches and pains of the first half.  I'll light a candle and delicately reach for his hand as our Fat Head poster of Reggie hangs above us on the wall smiling menacingly.  Get over here and give me a big sloppy kiss you big homeo!  You can be my Brady Quinn and I'll give you a Moeaki.  

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heraldo12 wrote: hail for pauly who's got perfect in its predictions and i love the octopus more than my entire life

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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:06 AM

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I had to console IRAIDER after yesterday's win. He was very distraught that Reggie notched another win this season. It was truly heartbreaking for us.




heraldo12 wrote: hail for pauly who's got perfect in its predictions and i love the octopus more than my entire life
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:22 PM

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jgrange wrote: I had to console IRAIDER after yesterday's win. He was very distraught that Reggie notched another win this season. It was truly heartbreaking for us.
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