vinluvr wrote: DeMarcus Ware did not run a 5.62 in the 40. He timed it at 4.56 at the combine.

vinluvr wrote: It actually did occur to me, except you repeated the 5.62 time elsewhere in your post, so it seemed like you either meant it or were just mistyping, and either way I was just setting the record straight. Sorry if that offended you--wasn't meant as an attack of any kind.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports the Seattle Seahawks and their top draft pick, pass rusher Bruce Irvin from the University of West Virginia, have agreed to terms on a contract, a source with knowledge of the situation said Monday.

The defensive end is the first first-round draft pick to agree to terms on a contract.He was selected by the Seahawks with the No. 15-overall pick.

With Irvin now under contract it should make signing Coples very easy since they are adjacent picks. ..

jetfan4ever59 wrote:

lounap23 wrote:

ThxBooneAndLucchinoForAROD wrote: Not sure if this was posted but for what it's worth, the guy Rex really wanted to draft was Irvin but as we know Seattle grabbed him one pick earlier.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c1cdc/art icle/jets-cursed-out-seahawks-for-drafting-bruce-i rvin

I'm sure Rex wanted this guy.  Probably in the 2nd or 3rd Rd.  Where he was projected to go.   I sincerely doubt he wanted him at 16..But hey a reporter gets a whiff of something and fills in the rest to his liking.    I'm in the wrong business.  When I BS on my job it generally is frowned upon.

Are you refering to Coples in the 2nd round, if not then disregard , However dont you think Rex would have pulled the plug on Ingram, Take Coples any day, Nice article on Coples and our draft grade gave us an A+ first yet....Ingram is 20 LBS lighter and Coples can out run him and look at the 10 yard dash off the ball. He is as fast as Ware off the Snap incredible for a 285 pound DE, freakish

http://thejetpress.com/2012/05...quinton-coples/

http://thejetpress.com/2012/04...te-the-experts/

DEMARCUS WARE 40 Yard Dash Time 5.62. 2010 NFL Pro Bowl Selection.  Height 6-4. Weight 262 lbs

 Height 6-4. Weight 262 lbs
Demarcus Ware:  arm length is 34"
Demarcus Ware- 1.62 10-yard split.
Demarcus Ware 40 5.62 Fast


Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Height: 6-6. Weight: 284.
40 Time: 4.72. 10-Yd Split: 1.63.
Bench: 25.
Vertical: 31.5. Broad: 9-1.
Arm: 33 1/4. Hand: 10 1/8. 

With outstanding size at 6'6'' and 285 pounds, Coples projects to be a star end at the next level. He has speed in the 4.7 range in the 40-yard dash and has been clocked as fast as 4.67 from that distance. Even though he is a versatile defender who can play both end and tackle, Coples needs to improve against the run. Coples would also do well to develop a signature move that he can use to get past offensive tackles since he does not have the speed to consistently blow by them (although simply overpowering them is an option). He appears to have established himself as the best defensive end in the 2012 draft class. Look for him to go off the board in the Top 10 overall in the upcoming draft.In the one-on-one reps, Coples won the vast majority of his battles. He repeatedly and resoundingly beat Florida State offensive tackle Zebrie Sanders. It wasn't even close. Coples also had wins against Georgia' guard/tackle Cordy Glenn. Both of those linemen entered the week in Mobile as potential first-round picks. Not only does Coples (6-5, 281) possess ideal size and speed, he is a developed pass rusher who uses speed and power to execute a dynamic set of moves. Coples can speed rush to either direction, has a good rip move, a spin move and bull rush.

Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
Height: 6-1. Weight: 264.
40 Time: 4.79. 10-Yd Split: 1.72.
Bench: 28.
Vertical: 34.5. Broad: 9-1.
Arm: 31 1/2. Hand: 9 1/4. Correction arms 29.7 not Ideal for a pure defensive end.

OLB Melvin Ingram (South Carolina, 18th overall pick) started all 13 games in 2011, but only had two starts in his previous three seasons. Foot injuries were partially to blame. This could be an issue because OLB Larry English (first round, 2009) has been plagued by foot injuries. Jimmy Raye, the director of player personnel, said he was not concerned because Ingram easily passed his physical.
Ingram has the reputation of being a pass rusher who “just finds a way” to sack the quarterback. However, neither his sack nor pass defensed numbers are overly impressive compared to the usual numbers of first-round picks, even after accounting for the fact that he was out of position during his first two years at South Carolina. To top it off, Ingram has durability concerns: he received a medical redshirt after he missed his sophomore year due to a foot injury that he suffered off the field maybe another John Abraham . The track record for edge rushers drafted since 1998 who were granted medical redshirts is not good: the best player is Travis LaBoy, who has only 29.5 career sacks.
Ingram’s combine performance was mediocre (although he did score well on the shuttle and the three-cone). Moreover, that performance is fully consistent with the book on Ingram: he lacks top-end athleticism, but is a first-round prospect due to his other qualities. Think of Ingram as a bigger, less athletic, and more injury-prone Everette Brown. Brown is a player who was hyped as having great instincts as a pass rusher, but lacked the athleticism necessary to succeed at the next level.All this translates into a top talent. Melvin performed extremely well on tape, at the combine and now at his pro day. There are no illusions here and the team that does end up grabbing him will be getting a fantastic player. His arm length was measured 29.7 (WRONG) which is shorter than he was measured at the combine and very short for a player at his position,

My opinion Demacus Ware is one of the NFL's best pass rusher bar none, he uses his speed off the ball and is relentless to get the QB

Coples just as fast off the ball but has developed a (10) score regarding his rip move and spin move Like Dwight Freeny from Indy, but with his power size and quickness can run right throug Offensive Tackles he is the best of both worlds

The more I read it all adds up why they took Coples over Ingram I am thrilled with this pick now a NY Jet, even though he looks like  more of a 4-3 defensive scheme he is versatile like Belichek and Ryan both like ......Great Job Rex

Jetman83 wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that he will be a bust.  I also can't seem to picture a Jets D-line with his name on it, I don't know why, a feeling or a hunch I guess. 
(he bears an eerie resemblance to Gholston too imo)

Hope I'm wrong of course.  As it turns out, thankfully, we might not need him anyway if Wilkerson keeps improving (he was pretty good last year already), Pouha keeps playing well, K.Ellis begins to emerge, and Devito is solid (plus we have Dixon in reserve).  We're pretty well set now on the line.

football51 wrote:

Jetman83 wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that he will be a bust.  I also can't seem to picture a Jets D-line with his name on it, I don't know why, a feeling or a hunch I guess. 
(he bears an eerie resemblance to Gholston too imo)

Hope I'm wrong of course.  As it turns out, thankfully, we might not need him anyway if Wilkerson keeps improving (he was pretty good last year already), Pouha keeps playing well, K.Ellis begins to emerge, and Devito is solid (plus we have Dixon in reserve).  We're pretty well set now on the line.

Care to describe that "eerie resemblance" between Coples and Gholston? They are completely different physically and their games have zero comparisons. But please, do educate.

Jetman83 wrote:

football51 wrote:

Jetman83 wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that he will be a bust.  I also can't seem to picture a Jets D-line with his name on it, I don't know why, a feeling or a hunch I guess. 
(he bears an eerie resemblance to Gholston too imo)

Hope I'm wrong of course.  As it turns out, thankfully, we might not need him anyway if Wilkerson keeps improving (he was pretty good last year already), Pouha keeps playing well, K.Ellis begins to emerge, and Devito is solid (plus we have Dixon in reserve).  We're pretty well set now on the line.

Care to describe that "eerie resemblance" between Coples and Gholston? They are completely different physically and their games have zero comparisons. But please, do educate.

"Do educate" lol.  Football is not a science, this is not calculus, you either have a feel for the NFL or you don't, you either recognize star potential or you don't.  More art than science, and Tanny is generally clueless as to the "art" of team building.  Thank goodness we have Rex.

...but back to the topic at hand.  for one thing, they both like to wear a dumb, spacey expression on their faces, like they are stoned or zoned out.  Hyperbole aside, in a word, they are both unfocused. (offside penalties anyone?) Lacking intensity. Coples, (unlike Gholston), is "branded" on his arm, which is weird to say the least, and kind of scary actually... 

...and would you care to describe how they are "completely different physically", because to me they look like clones physically.  And they were both underachievers. ...

(and yes all my comments are based on a predraft mag and several internet sites, but so what.  I can just go to you tube and see as much of Coples playing as anyone on this board)

Jetman83 wrote:

football51 wrote:

Jetman83 wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that he will be a bust.  I also can't seem to picture a Jets D-line with his name on it, I don't know why, a feeling or a hunch I guess. 
(he bears an eerie resemblance to Gholston too imo)

Hope I'm wrong of course.  As it turns out, thankfully, we might not need him anyway if Wilkerson keeps improving (he was pretty good last year already), Pouha keeps playing well, K.Ellis begins to emerge, and Devito is solid (plus we have Dixon in reserve).  We're pretty well set now on the line.

Care to describe that "eerie resemblance" between Coples and Gholston? They are completely different physically and their games have zero comparisons. But please, do educate.

"Do educate" lol.  Football is not a science, this is not calculus, you either have a feel for the NFL or you don't, you either recognize star potential or you don't.  More art than science, and Tanny is generally clueless as to the "art" of team building.  Thank goodness we have Rex.

...but back to the topic at hand.  for one thing, they both like to wear a dumb, spacey expression on their faces, like they are stoned or zoned out.  Hyperbole aside, in a word, they are both unfocused. (offside penalties anyone?) Lacking intensity. Coples, (unlike Gholston), is "branded" on his arm, which is weird to say the least, and kind of scary actually... 

...and would you care to describe how they are "completely different physically", because to me they look like clones physically.  And they were both underachievers.  ...

(and yes all my comments are based on a predraft mag and several internet sites, but so what.  I can just go to you tube and see as much of Coples playing as anyone on this board)

hobson54 wrote:

Jetman83 wrote:

football51 wrote:

Jetman83 wrote: I just can't shake the feeling that he will be a bust.  I also can't seem to picture a Jets D-line with his name on it, I don't know why, a feeling or a hunch I guess. 
(he bears an eerie resemblance to Gholston too imo)

Hope I'm wrong of course.  As it turns out, thankfully, we might not need him anyway if Wilkerson keeps improving (he was pretty good last year already), Pouha keeps playing well, K.Ellis begins to emerge, and Devito is solid (plus we have Dixon in reserve).  We're pretty well set now on the line.

Care to describe that "eerie resemblance" between Coples and Gholston? They are completely different physically and their games have zero comparisons. But please, do educate.

"Do educate" lol.  Football is not a science, this is not calculus, you either have a feel for the NFL or you don't, you either recognize star potential or you don't.  More art than science, and Tanny is generally clueless as to the "art" of team building.  Thank goodness we have Rex.

...but back to the topic at hand.  for one thing, they both like to wear a dumb, spacey expression on their faces, like they are stoned or zoned out.  Hyperbole aside, in a word, they are both unfocused. (offside penalties anyone?) Lacking intensity. Coples, (unlike Gholston), is "branded" on his arm, which is weird to say the least, and kind of scary actually... 

...and would you care to describe how they are "completely different physically", because to me they look like clones physically.  And they were both underachievers.  ...

(and yes all my comments are based on a predraft mag and several internet sites, but so what.  I can just go to you tube and see as much of Coples playing as anyone on this board)

so in other words, you just don't like the "look" of coples.  you based your analysis on absolutely nothing of substance.  you're probably still going off your comments made during the draft that you could tell by rex's voice, based on a 30 second sound clip, that he didn't like coples.  despite the fact that rex said he was the unanimous pick of the scouting staff and coaches.  despite the fact that rex personally presided over coples' workout, something that is rare for a head coach.  beside the fact that rex's background is in coaching the d-line, so he would know best what he's looking for in a d-lineman prospect.  you made your decision you didn't like coples and are searching for "reasons"

as to them being clones physically, can you elaborate on that?  gholston measured at the combine at 6'4, 258 pounds and coples measured at 6'6, 284 pounds.  they're as much "twins" as danny devito and arnold...

so other then them both being african-american football players drafted in the 1st round by the jets, and you pre-determining that coples will be a bust, i fail to see how these two players, one an undersized d-lineman who was converted to OLB, and one a pure d-lineman who has enough size to play DE in a 3-4 and DT in 4-3 sets, are "clones"

hobson54 wrote:

LikeUntoGod wrote: High Risk, High Reward.

Could be scary good as a pass rushing OLB.

Everyone is always looking for the next LT, there is a chance that Coples could be close.

jets have said repeatedly he is a d-lineman and will be playing with his hand of the ground.  on passing plays, he will move to the inside

LikeUntoGod wrote:

hobson54 wrote:

LikeUntoGod wrote: High Risk, High Reward.

Could be scary good as a pass rushing OLB.

Everyone is always looking for the next LT, there is a chance that Coples could be close.

jets have said repeatedly he is a d-lineman and will be playing with his hand of the ground.  on passing plays, he will move to the inside

I'm sure you are right but I can see some offensive linemen or tight ends peeing themselves if he is ever set up to pass rush from the OLB spot. I could see the Cowboys trying to make him into another D Ware.

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Jets agree to four-year deal with first-round pick Quinton Coples: Deal has standard fifth-year option