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Revisionist history: Who would you draft for the Jets?

Posted: 8/10/2014 8:36 AM

Revisionist history: Who would you draft for the Jets? 


    Knowing what you know now, who would u draft 4 the NYJ?

  1. Poll closed on 08/17/2014
  2. Brandin Cooks: 6 votes
  3. Johnny Manziel: 0 votes
  4. Darqueze Dennard: 0 votes
  5. Kelvin Benjamin: 2 votes
  6. Teddy Bridgewater: 1 vote
  7. Marqise Lee: 0 votes
  8. Calvin Pryor: 10 votes
  9. Other: 0 votes
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:25 AM

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I believe that Pryor was and still is the right pick for us. Impact safeties can transform an otherwise very good defense into a great one. They can also cover up some other deficiencies i.e., #2 CB and LB coverage issues.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:02 AM

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jgrote wrote: I believe that Pryor was and still is the right pick for us. Impact safeties can transform an otherwise very good defense into a great one. They can also cover up some other deficiencies i.e., #2 CB and LB coverage issues.
Certainly don't disagree with that.  However, the way Rontez Miles has shown up makes me wonder how much better Pryor is than what we currently have on the roster.  The way we are desperately hurting for a #2 corner makes Darqueze Dennard, who Marvin Lewis calls the best rookie corner he's ever seen, a better value pick.

Also, the way we are once again lacking play-makers at the WR position makes Kelvin Benjamin (who is dominating camp in Carolina) a better pick for the Jets.  Absent injury, Benjamin is a lock for 8+ TD's in year one.  Marqise Lee, Brandin Cooks, and Jordan Mathews all look like huge contributors as well in their first season.  Donte Moncrief,  who could have been had in round 3, also looks to have some serious potential.

Calvin Pryor is going to be a good player for us; I truly believe that.  I just think Dennard or Benjamin would have made our team better this year, considering the amount of upgrade they offer from what we are currently throwing out there.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:23 AM

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I also don't want to rush to judgment at this stage of the rookies' early careers. Milliner looked nothing like a #1 CB until we got some glimpses of that potential in the last couple of games. Some rooks look like world beaters early on, but fizzle out in the long run. You also have to look at the scheme or the players that the rookie is combined with (see Cooks with Brees). Perhaps Dennard wouldn't be a good fit in Rex's man scheme, and we would be hearing about Pryor tearing it up for someone else. I really want to be a bit more patient and see how it plays out in the next two years before panning our 2014 picks.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:44 AM

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jgrote wrote: I believe that Pryor was and still is the right pick for us. Impact safeties can transform an otherwise very good defense into a great one. They can also cover up some other deficiencies i.e., #2 CB and LB coverage issues.
Certainly don't disagree with that.  However, the way Rontez Miles has shown up makes me wonder how much better Pryor is than what we currently have on the roster.  The way we are desperately hurting for a #2 corner makes Darqueze Dennard, who Marvin Lewis calls the best rookie corner he's ever seen, a better value pick.

Also, the way we are once again lacking play-makers at the WR position makes Kelvin Benjamin (who is dominating camp in Carolina) a better pick for the Jets.  Absent injury, Benjamin is a lock for 8+ TD's in year one.  Marqise Lee, Brandin Cooks, and Jordan Mathews all look like huge contributors as well in their first season.  Donte Moncrief,  who could have been had in round 3, also looks to have some serious potential.

Calvin Pryor is going to be a good player for us; I truly believe that.  I just think Dennard or Benjamin would have made our team better this year, considering the amount of upgrade they offer from what we are currently throwing out there.

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Rontez Miles is a good tackler and decent against the run, but he struggles in coverage. I'll take Pryor over him any day. And I just read that Marquiese Lee is being publicly called out by his head coach for half-assing his routes in practice and games. Pass

Let's see what Pryor can do. It's still way too early to tell on anyone.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:56 AM

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I really like Miles as well, but as mentioned he may be a bit limited. His long term value may be as a situational box safety who can lay the wood and rush the passer, not to mention as a STs demon. Very valuable indeed, but shouldn't be confused with as a replacement for Pryor.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:59 AM

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I believe Pryor will turn out to be a beast and the right pick for us. He may be a HOFer but if I could or would have done it, I would have picked a receiver. Benjamin or Lee because I like the bigger receivers but I would have cool with the Jets picking Cooks also.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:02 AM

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jgrote wrote: I also don't want to rush to judgment at this stage of the rookies' early careers. Milliner looked nothing like a #1 CB until we got some glimpses of that potential in the last couple of games. Some rooks look like world beaters early on, but fizzle out in the long run. You also have to look at the scheme or the players that the rookie is combined with (see Cooks with Brees). Perhaps Dennard wouldn't be a good fit in Rex's man scheme, and we would be hearing about Pryor tearing it up for someone else. I really want to be a bit more patient and see how it plays out in the next two years before panning our 2014 picks.
No doubt, it's way too early to make any kind of assessment.  And, for the record, I'm not down on Pryor at all.  I still very much like that pick.  If anything, I didn't like the Amaro pick and still don't.  I'm also in the crowd who feel like we waited way too long to address WR and got burned as a result.  But I think Pryor will be a very good player for us and I believe McDougle and Dozier have a chance as well.  The rest of the draft is "meh", at best.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:06 AM

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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:23 PM

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I am of the opinion the Jets had only 3 choices at #18 - SS Pryor, SS Bucannon, or WR Benjamin.
Bucannon is the better physical specimen, ahead of Pryor in every measurable category, (other than shuttle-cone drills, where he had a 2/100th of a second advantage) - but Pryor was viewed as the more polished Safety and ready to start as a rookie.
The immediate red flog for HYATT™ became;
"How can an ACC Louisville Cardinal underclassman Junior Safety with 32 starts over 38 games in 3 years - be more polished and NFL ready than a 4 year senior from PAC-12 Washington St. that played 43 of 49 games as a starter?"

Bucannon did have some questions raised whether or not he'd be a project and need a year of seasoning.
HYATT™ graded Bucannon higher than Pryor & higher than every draft expert.
AZ seems to have agreed with HYATT™ & have nothing but praise for Bucannon, stating he is a likely Week 1 starter alongside The Honey Badger, (Tyrann Mathieu).

Because of the depth of the WR class AND the addition of Decker, Safety became a higher priority for the Jets.
HYATT agrees with the prganizations decision to go for the Safety, though I think they could have picked the better one in Bucannon.
The Jets chose Pryor for his slight upside against the pass vs the more physical Bucannon because they already had at least (2) SS players on the roster that COULD start if they didn't land a top one in the draft and needed both FS & S, not just one or the other.
Pryor will be expected to play more as a SAF - Safety As Free - than strictly one or the other.

Other than Benjamin, there was no other logical choice, based on either BPA or Need.
There is no need to revise history in Rd 1 of the 2014 Jets draft, unless you believe the Jets should have tried to trade back into Rd 1 immediately to take Benjamin too. (#28 by CAR - the next WR taken was Lee, at #39.)

Such an election would have cost the Jets their #49 pick, Jace Amaro, as well as their Rd 3-#80 pick.
Given how poorly Amaro is coming along & the disappointing selection of McDougle with the #80 pick in Rd 3, I can't exactly say it would have been a bad decision to try and move back into Rd 1 again & grab Benjamin.
Of course HYATT™ has a small benefit of hindsight as of now, but not a significantly different opinion than was held before the draft.
Amaro was not HYATT™'s favorite TE, (#38 AS-J was, even over #10 Ebron), and McDougle wasn't even making any list of DBs I compiled, (too short & too slow, though his vertical is acceptable at 37" & ditto on CB Darqueze Dennard, who is even slower with an inch more height but an inch less vertical).
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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:11 AM

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They needed a safety as badly as a CB. Pryor should hold that position for years.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:16 AM

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There weren't that many good safeties in the draft, so I wouldn't throw Pryor out. It is pretty temping to say Dennard, that who I honestly would have taken because he does remind me of Ty Law but the new rules may work against his aggressive style.

I think it is way too early to say you'd give up Pryor for.... Anyone. 1) you still don't know how Rex is going to use him. If he steals those 3 safety looks from his brother, there may be. Level of play we desperately need, especially with our CB issues. 2) he could be our Earl Thomas or Ed Reed (more likely a better in coverage TJ Ward), why give that up? We need one of those too!
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:00 AM

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Going into the draft I felt more offensive skill would help the defense more than drafting another corner. Pryor was a suprise pick to me but 1st round talent is hard to come by at that spot. I liked Amaro, in rd. 2, but that was assuming the team filled a bigger need at wideout in rd.1. Still a solid pick.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:05 AM

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I love the Pryor pick, and he would be my #2 choice in hindsight, but I'd still take Cooks over him if Cooks is on the board.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:13 AM

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It seems like the Jets have drafted defense with their #1 pick for the last 10 years, which is OK, but I was screaming during the draft when when pick #80 we drafted unknown Dexster McDougle CB instead of Donte Moncrief WR who was the 90th pick by the Colts. I know Idzik tried to sign several FA CB's in Vontae Davis, Rogers-Cromartie & Thurmond, but struck out. I also think with 12 picks, we could have bundled a few and moved down (lower) for better prospects.

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:18 AM

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SackExchange wrote: I love the Pryor pick, and he would be my #2 choice in hindsight, but I'd still take Cooks over him if Cooks is on the board.
Well, if I told the truth, Cooks and Dennard were higher on my draft board than Pryor...but Buchannon, who HYATT references, was my pick as the top S in this class (Cy gave me crap about it, but Buchannon had 15 career college INTs compared to 7 as the next highest in this draft class).  Buchannon was a guy I hoped we found in rd 2.  He was also all over Sirius radio as the best S in this class...all the scouts were in love with him.

However, I am not even remotely unhappy with the Pryor pick, so now he's a Jet, I seriously am so excited about him I wouldn't change now.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:26 PM

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The grammar po-po  says:
WHOM - not ..."who HYATT™ references"...

he = who
him = whom

In this particular case, the subject being referenced is Bucannon, (i.e. him), not HYATT™.
It helps to insert the subjects into the sentence.
.....Bucannon, (<< him) WHOM HYATT™ (<< he) references.....

Just a "FYI" for everyone, that popped into my head while reading it.
It doesn't grate on my nerves as much as the constant incorrect interchanging of effect & affect, but it's close.

1. If you are talking about a result, then use the word "effect."
    Example: What effect did the loss have on the team?

2. It is appropriate to use the word "effect" if one of these words is used immediately before the word: into, on, take, the, any, an, or and.
    Example: The prescribed medication had an effect on the patient's symptoms.
    Example: In analyzing a situation, it is important to take the concepts of cause and effect into consideration.

3. If you want to describe something that was caused or brought about, the right word to use is effect.
    Example: The new manager effected some positive changes in the office. (This means that the new manager caused some positive changes to take place in the office.)

4. Affect can be used as a noun to describe facial expression. (n. af-ekt )
    Example: The young man with schizophrenia had a flat affect.
    Example: The woman took the news of her husband's sudden death with little affect.

5. Affect can also be used as a verb. Use it when trying to describe influencing someone or something rather than causing it. ( different pronunciation in this use, however: v. uh-fekt )
    Example: How does the crime rate affect hiring levels by local police forces?
    Example: The weather conditions will affect the number of people who come to the county fair this year.

/ language lessons for the day.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002672293/1359613086_grammar_police_xlarge.png
HYATT™

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:59 PM

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If I was a revisionist ,   I would Want a ReDo on our first round picks in 2008, 2009 and 2010....

2008  Leodis McKelvin & Jody Nelson ( who was selected with our original pick)
2009 Clay Matthews
2010 Would have packaged our 1 & 2 and traded with KC and picked Eric Berry

 

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Posted: 8/11/2014 8:51 PM

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HYATT wrote: The grammar po-po  says:
WHOM - not ..."who HYATT™ references"...

he = who
him = whom

In this particular case, the subject being referenced is Bucannon, (i.e. him), not HYATT™.
It helps to insert the subjects into the sentence.
.....Bucannon, (<< him) WHOM HYATT™ (<< he) references.....

Just a "FYI" for everyone, that popped into my head while reading it.
It doesn't grate on my nerves as much as the constant incorrect interchanging of effect & affect, but it's close.

1. If you are talking about a result, then use the word "effect."
    Example: What effect did the loss have on the team?

2. It is appropriate to use the word "effect" if one of these words is used immediately before the word: into, on, take, the, any, an, or and.
    Example: The prescribed medication had an effect on the patient's symptoms.
    Example: In analyzing a situation, it is important to take the concepts of cause and effect into consideration.

3. If you want to describe something that was caused or brought about, the right word to use is effect.
    Example: The new manager effected some positive changes in the office. (This means that the new manager caused some positive changes to take place in the office.)

4. Affect can be used as a noun to describe facial expression. (n. af-ekt )
    Example: The young man with schizophrenia had a flat affect.
    Example: The woman took the news of her husband's sudden death with little affect.

5. Affect can also be used as a verb. Use it when trying to describe influencing someone or something rather than causing it. ( different pronunciation in this use, however: v. uh-fekt )
    Example: How does the crime rate affect hiring levels by local police forces?
    Example: The weather conditions will affect the number of people who come to the county fair this year.

/ language lessons for the day.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002672293/1359613086_grammar_police_xlarge.png
Just an FYI, this is the age of the hash tag, calculators allowed to be used in school, and cursive out of schools.  Good luck with that.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 10:30 PM

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Jetman55 wrote: Just an FYI, this is the age of the hash tag, calculators allowed to be used in school, and cursive out of schools.  Good luck with that.
I know.
Sad, isn't it?
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