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2nd CB

Posted: 8/7/2014 10:02 PM

2nd CB 


Patterson looks horible.... We really better hope our 3rd round pick ,( Dexter Mcdougle) , learns the position quickly, and he has looked good thus far.  Also Rex needs solid corners for his D! Just wish we either signed Revis for 1 year and he could of really helped our young corners, while holding down the secondary. But if not Revis , should of been more aggressive for DRC and the other avaiable proven corners. Its just frustating that our D is so solid, our offense has looked better ( need better blitz protection), and the one glaring whole is that 2nd corner, which we have been talking about since last season. Hopefuly it gets fixed or the great QB's that we will be facing this year will pick us apart.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:46 AM

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Time to throw Darrin Walls in with the starters,,, rotate them all out at #2...

Dex McDougle is making the team and will be come our #2 in time, If not our #1..

This season Wilson is the Slot Corner...

So who's going to step up in the games???? Patterson, Walls, Dowling, Patrick, Reeves, Lankster... C'mon!
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:56 AM

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I think someone really messed up here, either Idzik or Woody don't know who couldn't swallow their pride and lease a Mevis for 1 year? All the talent on the d-line will be for nothing if you can't cover the #2

Sorry just MO. this is probably the only non move that frustrates me over the off season, No, I did not want Rogers Cro...

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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:26 AM

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OleDrewBudd wrote: I think someone really messed up here, either Idzik or Woody don't know who couldn't swallow their pride and lease a Mevis for 1 year? All the talent on the d-line will be for nothing if you can't cover the #2

Sorry just MO. this is probably the only non move that frustrates me over the off season, No, I did not want Rogers Cro...
It's early, but I'm pretty nervous. None of these corners inspire confidence in me. We really couldn't of even brought Cro back? I mean Ryan relies heavily on his cb's, and you go into the season with a huge question mark? This is a passing league, doesn't make much sense to me.noidea
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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:36 AM

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I think we all need to take a deep breath here. Yes, Patterson didn't look good. But they talked about it in depth in the post game show: he's been hurt over the last week in practice with a calf/foot injury. Now obviously, it wasn't bad enough to keep him out of the game, but he wasn't 100%.

What do you say we wait a little bit, see how he does in the next few preseason games, and then decide whether or not we should be worried? Who knows, maybe someone else jumps off the screen and beats him out? There's still a lot of time left to sort this out.

My guess: Patterson will heal up, and play better as soon as the third preseason game.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:01 AM

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I don't feel Rex's D is as reliant on outstanding CB play as it was in the past. The ability of the DL now compared to his early tenure is night and day. Our front 3/4 can get pressure now without having to employ all the shifts and weird formations.

Revis is an evil we don't need on this team.... Not matter how good he is


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I think someone really messed up here, either Idzik or Woody don't know who couldn't swallow their pride and lease a Mevis for 1 year? All the talent on the d-line will be for nothing if you can't cover the #2

Sorry just MO. this is probably the only non move that frustrates me over the off season, No, I did not want Rogers Cro...

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:12 AM

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BlindsideBrick wrote: I think we all need to take a deep breath here. Yes, Patterson didn't look good. But they talked about it in depth in the post game show: he's been hurt over the last week in practice with a calf/foot injury. Now obviously, it wasn't bad enough to keep him out of the game, but he wasn't 100%.

What do you say we wait a little bit, see how he does in the next few preseason games, and then decide whether or not we should be worried? Who knows, maybe someone else jumps off the screen and beats him out? There's still a lot of time left to sort this out.

My guess: Patterson will heal up, and play better as soon as the third preseason game.

Yeah how about we wait a little bit... The defense had vanilla schemes.   This isn't the defense you'll see game 1 of the reg season... Now it might be the same starters but not the same Defense.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:36 AM

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BlindsideBrick wrote: I think we all need to take a deep breath here. Yes, Patterson didn't look good. But they talked about it in depth in the post game show: he's been hurt over the last week in practice with a calf/foot injury. Now obviously, it wasn't bad enough to keep him out of the game, but he wasn't 100%.

What do you say we wait a little bit, see how he does in the next few preseason games, and then decide whether or not we should be worried? Who knows, maybe someone else jumps off the screen and beats him out? There's still a lot of time left to sort this out.

My guess: Patterson will heal up, and play better as soon as the third preseason game.
The problem with Paterson is more with his continued bout with injuries than his ability. He may heal up and play better but based on his history who has any confidence he will make it through the season. 

Note - Bill Parcells coined the nickname "toast" for another guy named Patterson (Elvis). Hope there's nothing to the name. wink
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:10 PM

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OleDrewBudd wrote: I think someone really messed up here, either Idzik or Woody don't know who couldn't swallow their pride and lease a Mevis for 1 year? All the talent on the d-line will be for nothing if you can't cover the #2

Sorry just MO. this is probably the only non move that frustrates me over the off season, No, I did not want Rogers Cro...


I can see being concerned on the CB position, but Revis???

what makes you think he would have come here for a 1 year contract, or even for the deal he signed with the Pats?  if we are being honest, they are much more likely to be competing for a playoff run than we are.  and the way his contract is structured, he will either have to be paid a $12.5 million roster bonus at the end of the football year (and carry a $25 million cap charge next year), or the pats will take a $5 million cap hit next year if revis leaves.  given the contracts given out to sherman, haden and peterson, he is gonna want to get PAID next year.

not worth the headache at all, and i say this as someone who wanted revis to retire a jet.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:18 PM

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The real issue with our CB situation is that all our options are FRAGILE and injury prone. Patterson and Dowling are historically always hurt, Wilson is your definition of an AVERAGE cornerback and isn't starting material, and even milliner has a history of being an injury case. This scares me the most, more than anyone's skill set. Maybe a solid veteran corner gets cut this summer who we can scoop up . Or a trade for Claiborne ? I still think flowers would have been a good signing for us
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:21 PM

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Revis16 wrote: Patterson looks horible.... We really better hope our 3rd round pick ,( Dexter Mcdougle) , learns the position quickly, and he has looked good thus far.  Also Rex needs solid corners for his D! Just wish we either signed Revis for 1 year and he could of really helped our young corners, while holding down the secondary. But if not Revis , should of been more aggressive for DRC and the other avaiable proven corners. Its just frustating that our D is so solid, our offense has looked better ( need better blitz protection), and the one glaring whole is that 2nd corner, which we have been talking about since last season. Hopefuly it gets fixed or the great QB's that we will be facing this year will pick us apart.
If we don't get to the QB then it doesn't matter who we have back there outside of Revis.  I'm tired of people wanting that D-bag back.  We weren't winning a SB this year with Revis.  Move on from him please.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:56 PM

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Time to throw Darrin Walls in with the starters,,, rotate them all out at #2...

Dex McDougle is making the team and will be come our #2 in time, If not our #1..

This season Wilson is the Slot Corner...

So who's going to step up in the games???? Patterson, Walls, Dowling, Patrick, Reeves, Lankster... C'mon!

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From what I saw and haven't watched the whole game yet, milliner is clearly our #1. Patterson looks horrible, Wilson isn't much better. I haven't seen Mcdougle yet but I believe he will be our game 1 starter at the #2 spot.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 3:05 PM

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the problem with Kyle Wilson is he is just suited for the slot. He is useless as a CB on the outside so the actual depth at CB is thin.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:28 PM

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Last time Wilson played outside, filling in for Revis, the Jets were top 5 in pass defense. I know many other factors played in, but he held his own. I do agree his best position is the slot, and I'm hoping he has a big year. His final rookie contract. I wouldn't be so concerned with the #2 corner if I knew he had help over the top, I haven't seen that in this defense.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:38 PM

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Rex on Patterson: "He's a veteran player. Shoot, he'll respond...I put him out to dry a little bit." #NYJ

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:42 PM

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From espnnewyork.com



Ryan defended Patterson, blaming the game plan. It was a vanilla plan for the first game, with Ryan claiming he left his cornerbacks in straight "man" situations, meaning no help from the safeties. Dee Milliner held up nicely, Patterson didn't. 

"Dimitri's a veteran player and he'll respond," Ryan said. "You mix a trap or two in over there and we'll see what happens." 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:12 PM

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From espnnewyork.com



Ryan defended Patterson, blaming the game plan. It was a vanilla plan for the first game, with Ryan claiming he left his cornerbacks in straight "man" situations, meaning no help from the safeties. Dee Milliner held up nicely, Patterson didn't. 

"Dimitri's a veteran player and he'll respond," Ryan said. "You mix a trap or two in over there and we'll see what happens." 

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Right on it 51.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:10 AM

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Not saying D. Patterson has proven a whole lot in this league but amazing to see the harsh adjectives flying around after 1 preseason game.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:26 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote:


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From espnnewyork.com



Ryan defended Patterson, blaming the game plan. It was a vanilla plan for the first game, with Ryan claiming he left his cornerbacks in straight "man" situations, meaning no help from the safeties. Dee Milliner held up nicely, Patterson didn't. 

"Dimitri's a veteran player and he'll respond," Ryan said. "You mix a trap or two in over there and we'll see what happens." 

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Right on it 51.
Aren't Rex Ryan defenses predicated on having corners that can excel in man to man coverage? Going by the first game, Patterson has shown that he doesn't fit the scheme . It seems Rexy might be talking from the side of his mouth. I'm not convinced Patterson makes this Jet team, let alone start.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:44 AM

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DonMaynard wrote:
Lakerfan1980 wrote:


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From espnnewyork.com



Ryan defended Patterson, blaming the game plan. It was a vanilla plan for the first game, with Ryan claiming he left his cornerbacks in straight "man" situations, meaning no help from the safeties. Dee Milliner held up nicely, Patterson didn't. 

"Dimitri's a veteran player and he'll respond," Ryan said. "You mix a trap or two in over there and we'll see what happens." 

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Right on it 51.
Aren't Rex Ryan defenses predicated on having corners that can excel in man to man coverage? Going by the first game, Patterson has shown that he doesn't fit the scheme . It seems Rexy might be talking from the side of his mouth. I'm not convinced Patterson makes this Jet team, let alone start.
Ryan does play man coverage, but not everyone is left on an "island" with no safety help like Revis and Cro when he was healthy. Patterson has played in man schemes his whole career. It probably would've been wise to sit him on thursday because of the lower leg issues he was dealing with the week leading up to the game. I could just imagine the frenzy if we played Pryor, and he looked lost because of all the missed practice time. Sometimes, there is a logical reason for a performance, and it doesn't make it an excuse. Patterson's issues have been staying on the field. However, when healthy, there has never been a question if he could perform.
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