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The NYJ 2014 Quarterback battle to be the starter

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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:18 PM

The NYJ 2014 Quarterback battle to be the starter 


Many here on this board are split between handing Geno the starting QB position & (such as myself)  feel he should battle in fairness with Michael Vick. Let the best player win.
I feel as hush hush as Idzik has been in these two years and not leaking anything to the media, i feel the true answer is the latter.

Idzik has stressed that competition will breed true starters to give the team the best chance to succeed. If the starting job is handed to Geno then what good is John's words?  Every move, every signing that Idzik makes has merit to it.  It has significance.  The Mike Vick move wasn't in no way a Mark Brunell acquisition by no stretch of the imagination.  Vick is saying all the right things such as Vinny did when Parcells signed him 2 weeks before the season backing up Glenn Foley.  Just like Kurt Warner backing up a number one draft pick in Matt Leinart.  These veterans are no washed up old dust particles, they were very hungry at the opportunity.  Yet they humbled themselves and waited for the chance.  Once it came, they seized it.

In saying so, i hope Geno is ready.  Hell i hope he's in a mentally stable state and has the playbook down pact.  Everything Rex is saying in how he's farther ahead this off season heading into training camp MUST be taken with a grain of salt.  Rex has said the same thing about Mark every year.  The true test is how he produces on the field when the bullets fly.
After the 3rd pre-season game i have full faith in John Idzik and Rex that they will make the smart choice. Whom ever is the best QB to lead this team week 1 of the regular season. If Geno is superiorly better than Mike, then Let's roll with number 7.  Yet, if he's not and Vick is, then you must START MIKE  instantly.  I don't want to hear about "Hurt ego's", or  "Hindering a player's growth".  Enough of that garbage already.  Geno's a big boy,  he can handle himself.

Sometimes history has proven to young QB's that watching the game from the sidelines helps slow the game down a little bit. Gives the person an entire field perspective as it fuel's the player to recapture that opportunity once it comes back to them.  Steve McNair,  Brett Favre and more recently Nick Foles became more successful riding the pine for a short period of time, as they were also not ready to handle the duties of an NFL QB so young in their respective careers.
Let the best QB play.



*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:47 PM

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I agree. I personally want Geno to start, play well this year and the next 15 or more years and lead us to a couple of SB's. However; nothing should just be handed to him. Let Geno prove it this training camp and preseason that he is the better QB and we can win with him. Let's the players decide who should be on the field by what they show when they are on the field.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:49 PM

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Nelson on Geno Smith: 'It's his team'

July, 24, 2014
JUL 24
5:30
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By  Rich Cimini  | ESPNNewYork.com
cortland, n.y. -- on the first play of the first team drill, geno smith took a three-step drop and zipped a short completion to eric decker. and so it all began -- the pseudo quarterback competition and the season that rex ryan expects to stretch beyond december. 

on the first day of training camp, everything seemed possible for the new york jets. it always looks and feels better when the quarterback plays well. 

smith
"i think geno looked better than i've ever seen him," wide receiver david nelson said thursday. 

it was only one practice, and things can change in a hurry (as we saw last summer), but the jets swear smith is a different player than the wide-eyed rookie who coughed up the football through much of last season. they say he looks and sounds more confident in the huddle. nelson went so far as to say smith "(knows) it's his team." smith wasn't ready to go there just yet, saying, "i don't look at it like that. i love the confidence my guys have in me." 

my guys? sure sounds like he's taking ownership. of course, mark sanchez kept saying the same thing last summer, and look how that turned out. 

"coming into this year, i'm a lot more confident in my reads and my footwork, and delivering the ball a lot stronger and a lot more accurately -- all good signs of progress, but we have a long way to go," smith said. "i have a long way to go." 

for the record, smith took the first four first-team reps. in came michael vick. by the end of the practice, the split was 13 for smith, four for vick -- pretty much the ratio offensive coordinator marty mornhinweg had outlined recently. for the stat geeks, smith completed seven of 10 passes in team drills, with no turnovers. 

in case you haven't noticed, this is smith's job to lose -- even if ryan won't put it in those words. asked if he agrees with nelson's assessment, that it's smith's team, ryan did a little spinning. 

"i consider it our team," he said. "do i consider it geno's team? yep. i also consider it michael vick's team. and my team. everybody's team." 

barring an injury or an utter meltdown in the preseason games, smith will be the opening-day starter. even vick has acknowledged the handwriting on the wall. In a way, training camp is Smith vs. Smith, not Smith vs. Vick. So far, Smith is winning. He's acting like the starter, according to Nelson. 

"I see that when he's in the huddle, I see that whenever he's calling plays," Nelson said. "I see the way he has ownership and command over the offense."
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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:38 AM

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I'am really enjoying reading  articles on both QB's.  How Vick has come in and hasn't missed a beat in Marty's offence and how Geno is taking that next step as well.
Though again, it all depends on how they fair in the pre-season games.  Vick wants to start.  Let the media buy into a "Pseudo competition" to sell stories,  Rex knows he needs to play the best player to win and not end the season below .500.

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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:41 AM

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Posted: 7/26/2014 10:24 AM

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Idzik, and Rex have also said many times Geno is the guy. If the media and some fans insist on hearing the words " QB competetion", than so be it. When Rex names Geno the starter before the Giants pre-season game, we will then read and hear how it was never a competetion, and all the rest.

Vick is the best backup since Chad, something we could have used many, many times in the past, including last season.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 11:07 AM

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Idzik, and Rex have also said many times Geno is the guy. If the media and some fans insist on hearing the words " QB competetion", than so be it. When Rex names Geno the starter before the Giants pre-season game, we will then read and hear how it was never a competetion, and all the rest.

Vick is the best backup since Chad, something we could have used many, many times in the past, including last season.

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^^^ this
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Posted: 7/26/2014 11:15 AM

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Is Herm Edwards the only person that honestly believes Michael Vick will be the starting QB this season ? It's Geno's job too lose, and he looked to good in the last 4 games of the season.noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:05 PM

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I've been a Geno fan and supporter before he ever became a Jet. Had threads created on another Jets site heading into the draft, showing my beliefs on why Geno Smith has all the potential and ability in the world to develop and become a true franchise leader. Went as far as saying Geno was the one player I wanted our Jets to draft. And when we down right stole this kid during the 2nd round? I was on cloud nine.

I also enjoy and appreciate the Vick addition. This competition is going to turn Geno Smith into a mentally tough and mentally strong quarterback as far as his mentality goes. When in regards to X's and O's he's also going to gain a boat load of experience from learning the game from someone in which he grew up looking up to (Vick).

But at the end of the day, whoever wins the Training Camp and Preseason battle is who deserves to start. I'm pulling for Vick to impress every day but it's no secret I want Geno Smith to perform to the point where our front office has no choice other than to start Geno come week one. I believe he's earned that opportunity due to his performance(s) as a rookie Quarterback with minimal weapons surrounding him as a rookie least year. With added weapons in C2K, Amaro, Decker along with a healthy Kerley I really can't wait to see how Geno performs with additional weapons not to mention another year with Marty as offensive coordinator.

Yes, Geno had 8 awful games as a rookie. But let's not forget that 7 of our 8 wins were of Geno putting up impressive numbers both passing and running. 7 of our 8 wins were of Geno outperforming opposing QB's in regards to QB ratings. The kid helped lead us to 8 wins during a season in which so called experts predicted nothing more a 2-14 and/or 4-12 type of season heading into last year.

Really pumped up knowing that Geno has impressed during training camp thus far.

My question is this...Does anyone know the exact completions, completion attempts, TD's/INT's and sacks between Geno and Vick (thus far) through training camp? Would love to see the actual numbers as of right now.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 7:51 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote: Idzik, and Rex have also said many times Geno is the guy. If the media and some fans insist on hearing the words " QB competetion", than so be it. When Rex names Geno the starter before the Giants pre-season game, we will then read and hear how it was never a competetion, and all the rest.

Vick is the best backup since Chad, something we could have used many, many times in the past, including last season.
First off i never heard Rex state that Geno was "The guy", heck maybe it's me but i never heard him say last year that Geno will be the starter the rest of the season.
2nd, Rex knows he must play the best QB opening day.  If Geno flops and Vick takes off, does anyone really think Geno will start any way? Absolutely not.
3rdly, The media are hacks and have no idea how to write a story on the Jets because they can't figure out what is going on ever since John took the job.  Geno said he's going in to T.C to compete.  Vick said he's going in to T.C to help Geno develop. 
Many can take Vicks word as conceding to this competition or he can help Geno show him how the game  & how Marty's offense is played on the field when he gets his chance.  Make no mistake, Michael Vick signed with the Jets at a chance to be a starter.  That in itself will hopefully, Hopefully make Geno a better QB.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 7/27/2014 8:59 AM

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cysporsche wrote: Is Herm Edwards the only person that honestly believes Michael Vick will be the starting QB this season ? It's Geno's job too lose, and he looked to good in the last 4 games of the season.noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg
No, Joe Namath thinks Vick will start also.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:09 AM

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Jetman55 wrote:

N
o, Joe Namath thinks Vick will start also.
And dan...or at least he's rooting for him to start.

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:14 AM

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SackExchange wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:

N
o, Joe Namath thinks Vick will start also.
And dan...or at least he's rooting for him to start.
lol, i'am not rooting for one player.  If Vick is playing better in pre season wouldn't you want him to start too?
If Geno plays better than Mike, than i'am all for it as well.

Let the best man win.

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:17 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote: Idzik, and Rex have also said many times Geno is the guy. If the media and some fans insist on hearing the words " QB competetion", than so be it. When Rex names Geno the starter before the Giants pre-season game, we will then read and hear how it was never a competetion, and all the rest.

Vick is the best backup since Chad, something we could have used many, many times in the past, including last season.
First off i never heard Rex state that Geno was "The guy", heck maybe it's me but i never heard him say last year that Geno will be the starter the rest of the season.
2nd, Rex knows he must play the best QB opening day.  If Geno flops and Vick takes off, does anyone really think Geno will start any way? Absolutely not.
3rdly, The media are hacks and have no idea how to write a story on the Jets because they can't figure out what is going on ever since John took the job.  Geno said he's going in to T.C to compete.  Vick said he's going in to T.C to help Geno develop. 
Many can take Vicks word as conceding to this competition or he can help Geno show him how the game  & how Marty's offense is played on the field when he gets his chance.  Make no mistake, Michael Vick signed with the Jets at a chance to be a starter.  That in itself will hopefully, Hopefully make Geno a better QB.

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When is Geno going to flop that will cause him to lose the starting day job? If he loses his job because of poor play it will during the season and not a few quarters he plays during the pre-season....plus I believe in the guys that play every game...something Vick hasn't done in awhile. I remember you wanted no part of Vick(when Sanchez was still on roster), but it seems you would take anyone over Geno at this point. Geno isn't the reason Sanchez isn't fighting for a starting job...it's Sanchez himself.

Rex and Idzik may have not said Geno is the man, but you've heard enough to know its Geno's job to lose.....after the season starts. When Geno is named the starter before the Giants pre-season game, you will say it was never a competetion, and I will say I told you so.

Geno's teammates are behind him as well, after all he was the one that led them last season, not Vick.

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:20 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote:


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Lakerfan1980 wrote: Idzik, and Rex have also said many times Geno is the guy. If the media and some fans insist on hearing the words " QB competetion", than so be it. When Rex names Geno the starter before the Giants pre-season game, we will then read and hear how it was never a competetion, and all the rest.

Vick is the best backup since Chad, something we could have used many, many times in the past, including last season.
First off i never heard Rex state that Geno was "The guy", heck maybe it's me but i never heard him say last year that Geno will be the starter the rest of the season.
2nd, Rex knows he must play the best QB opening day.  If Geno flops and Vick takes off, does anyone really think Geno will start any way? Absolutely not.
3rdly, The media are hacks and have no idea how to write a story on the Jets because they can't figure out what is going on ever since John took the job.  Geno said he's going in to T.C to compete.  Vick said he's going in to T.C to help Geno develop. 
Many can take Vicks word as conceding to this competition or he can help Geno show him how the game  & how Marty's offense is played on the field when he gets his chance.  Make no mistake, Michael Vick signed with the Jets at a chance to be a starter.  That in itself will hopefully, Hopefully make Geno a better QB.

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When is Geno going to flop that will cause him to lose the starting day job? If he loses his job because of poor play it will during the season and not a few quarters he plays during the pre-season....plus I believe in the guys that play every game...something Vick hasn't done in awhile. I remember you wanted no part of Vick(when Sanchez was still on roster), but it seems you would take anyone over Geno at this point. Geno isn't the reason Sanchez isn't fighting for a starting job...it's Sanchez himself.

Rex and Idzik may have not said Geno is the man, but you've heard enough to know its Geno's job to lose.....after the season starts. When Geno is named the starter before the Giants pre-season game, you will say it was never a competetion, and I will say I told you so.
and what if Mike wins the job out right, what will you say then? Oh that's right, you'll hide in a shell until Vick gets hurt and state: "I TOLD YA SO". rolleyes

Again, i'am hoping the best QB wins the job for week one.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:33 AM

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I'm hoping the guywe drafted wins the job. Right now with Geno getting 70% of the 1st reps, I would put him in the lead...after all training camp is much more than just competetion, it's about preparing for the season, and getting the team ready with plays.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:39 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote: I'm hoping the guywe drafted wins the job. Right now with Geno getting 70% of the 1st reps, I would put him in the lead...after all training camp is much more than just competetion, it's about preparing for the season, and getting the team ready with plays.
Ok so your in the "Geno Camp", and i respect that.  I have one camp and it's "Play the best QB that gives the New York Jets the best chance to win" camp.  If it's Geno, then make room for me in there, i'm bunking with you.
If it's Mike than i'll bunk with the Vick supporters.

Geno is receiving alot of work because he will be given every chance to succeed.  Rightfully so.  His ceiling hasn't been reached yet.
Mike is a veteran who knows Marty's system inside out.
Let the best man start.

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:42 AM

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Yes I am with the players in the "Geno Camp".
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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:51 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote: Yes I am with the players in the "Geno Camp".
The "Players" will always side with the QB that gives them the best chance to win.  That ain't happening until the games begin in two weeks.
They can say and root for a guy all they want, but when the bullets fly, they will let the Quarterback's play determine what side they're truly on.
In camp, QB's don't get hit.
Let the best man win.

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Posted: 7/27/2014 9:59 AM

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The bullets won't be flying until the season starts. QB's don't get hit in camp, wich bodes well for Vick...Geno played all 16 last season. I'm glad the "players" and the team have a QB that gives them the best chance to win....something we didn't have in the Sanchez era.
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