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What if Willie Colon can't go in 2014?

Posted: 5/29/2014 11:30 AM

What if Willie Colon can't go in 2014? 


Don't think it's come to that yet, but what if Colon's knee issues are so severe that he can't go in 2014?

We know LT, C, RT are set

Ferguson, Mangold, Giacommini

Assuming Winters will at least begin the season at one guard, that gives us maybe 4 viable options

Caleb Schlauderaff 6'4" 302 Utah - Experienced and versatile player, not a dominant road grader type,but more of a technician. Knows the system, could probably get in there and be at least decent. Limited upside but a safe pick

Ben Ijalana 6'4" 322 Villanova - Big atheltic guy with a history of injuries, was carried on the 53 man roster all last year but never played. If he's healthy, he could be a huge surprise, mostly a tackle, but could play guard. I always have to resist typing "Ducasse" in place of Ijalana, but the potential is still there

William Campbell 6'5" 318 Michigan - Another "redshirt" (carried all last year on active roster but never played) - big, athletic former defensive lineman, the most "Willie Colonish" of the available options. Raw but has great potential. Probably still needs lots better technique, but he'll smack you in the mouth

Dakota Dozier 6'4" 313 Furman - Everyone agrees that he's a physical monster with a nasty attitude and a huge upside, but can a small school rookie really be counted on to start on an NFL offensive line?

Other less likely options

Oday Aboushi 6'5" 308 UVA - Aboushi is more of a tackle, but I guess he could move inside - we'll have to see if he used his redshirt season to come back stronger and in a lot better shape

Dalton Freeman 6'5" 291 Clemson - Freeman turned heads at center before getting hurt, so he might be able to p,ay guard - another guy who needed to come back bigger and stronger
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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:05 PM

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June 1st cuts.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:39 PM

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Possible, also might look around at the final cuts if it seems likely Colon will miss time
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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:44 PM

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I like the idea that these guys, albeit prospects and projects, are getting put to the test against our front 7. If they can hold their own against the likes of Mo, Sheldon, Snacks, Q, etc., I'll feel pretty good if 1-2 emerge worthy of starting at LG/RG.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:45 PM

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I don't think you go from Furman college to NFL starter week 1.  I think Aboushi would get the first crack at it while Dozier build strength, technique, and watching film and maybe half way through the season, weeks 8-10, he'll be ready to challenge Winters and/or Aboushi for the starting spot.  I think you can pencil Aboushi in, IMO, for week 1 if Colon can't go.

Idzik knew last year and this year he needed 2 starting OGs, so he stacked up in young, coachable, smart football players and added Winters, Aboushi, Campbell, and Dozier hoping 2 would standout.  To me, Idzik is in full "let the best man win" mode of the 4 kids he drafted and feels good about.

Aboushi and Campbell got a full red shirt season in the NFL conditioning program, 1 year of NFL coaching and practices,  and now 2 years of OTA and preseason games to prep for this moment.  It's sink or swim time for them.  Winters got 8 games of real time game action along with the previously referenced 2 years of OTA, 2 preseasons, and 2 years in teh strength and conditioning program.

Right now, drafting 3 OGs last year looks real smart; and if Dozier catches and passes them, they look even smarter.

I honestly feel Idzik feels if there is any position of depth where a kid may be ready to step in and be the immediate and long term answer, it would be OG, IMO.  I look forward to reading how it plays out.  These guys, especially Winters, Aboushi, and Campbell are spending 2 a days, OTAs, and day to day practices going against Wilkerson, Snacks, and Richardson.  If they can swim with those sharks in the water, they can swim against anyone.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 2:21 PM

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Marty Mornhinweg: "We’ve got an opportunity to become one of the better offensive lines in the league." http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/05/jets_marty_mornhinweg...ining_camp.html 



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Posted: 5/29/2014 2:48 PM

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I hope the praise of Aboushi is sincere and not wishful thinking
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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:19 PM

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+1.  Though I am glad to be hearing it from Marty and not Rex.  Marty saying a guy is good is better than Rex who would call him the next Larry Allen.  I heard the same thing about Ducass, just tell me the guy has improved from where he was last year and don't give me false expectations when I watch Stephen Hill in the preseason thinking I am going to see the next Stallworth because Rex told me Hill looks like Stallworth; and the problem is, it's Donte Stallworth he looks like on game day...
Sarge4tide wrote: I hope the praise of Aboushi is sincere and not wishful thinking

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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:55 PM

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From espnnewyork.com




 Right guard Willie Colon underwent his arthroscopic surgery Thursday, according to Mornhinweg, who didn't sound concerned. "He should be back very quickly, certainly before training camp," he said. In fact, Colon, already rehabbing a surgically repaired biceps, is expected to miss four to six weeks, according to a source. Colon suffered cartilage damage while working out earlier this week.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:56 PM

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Why Aboushi is playing guard ahead of Campbell. From espnnewyork.com



* Second-year guard William Campbell isn't participating in OTA practices because of "minor surgery," Mornhinweg said. He didn't offer specifics, but he said Campbell should be back "pretty quick." Campbell, a former sixth-round pick, was inactive for every game last season.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:55 PM

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From espnnewyork.com




 Right guard Willie Colon underwent his arthroscopic surgery Thursday, according to Mornhinweg, who didn't sound concerned. "He should be back very quickly, certainly before training camp," he said. In fact, Colon, already rehabbing a surgically repaired biceps, is expected to miss four to six weeks, according to a source. Colon suffered cartilage damage while working out earlier this week.

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Good news. I thought for sure that training camp would be cut short for him. Better that this happens now.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:37 PM

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Sumbuddy drive over to Sarge's house and slap him 3 or 4 times please. redface
Don't even be talking about that stuff, dude! confused

Oh, and YES! BullDozer CAN be counted on to start as a rookie, even if he matriculated at a small school.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 10:45 AM

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I think it would help Willie's knees if he would drop 10-15 pounds. He has gotten huge since becoming a Jet. He was not that big as a Steeler, even when he played tackle. I bet Willie is pushing 340+.eek

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Posted: 5/31/2014 3:39 PM

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Jets RG Willie Colon (knee, biceps) is expected to be ready for training camp.

Colon will be shut down 4-6 weeks recovering from his knee scope, but is hoping to be available for the start of camp. With four surgeries over the last four years, his durability is a concern. The Jets lack depth at guard behind Colon, with Brian Winters, William Campbell, and Dakota Dozier all getting extended looks during OTAs. Barring a setback, Colon will be ready for Week 1.
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Posted: 5/31/2014 3:52 PM

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I hate when I read something like that. The Jets don't lack "depth" at guard. They lack "experience".
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Posted: 5/31/2014 3:57 PM

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football51 wrote: I hate when I read something like that. The Jets don't lack "depth" at guard. They lack "experience".
In all fairness, every team lacks depth on the OL. Seldom do teams have starter-quality guards on the roster to be their third G.

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Posted: 5/31/2014 4:06 PM

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I'd say the jets have stockpiled talent behind Colon, but it's unproven talent.  Remember the Packers took a lot of crap for their weak secondary when they moved Woodson to safety.  They weren't weak at CB, but the CBs were unproven.  Now Shields is viewed as a top 10 CB and secondary outside of safety has been solid since Woodson transitioned.  The media assumes a lack of talent until proven instead of just pointing out a lack of experience.  I feel that is us at OG, we may have 4 OGs looking for 2 spots and may the best win.  Teh key is we're not searching the scrap heaps for retreads...which was our old model.  I am very happy with our depth at OG and I am very excited to see how these 4 perform this preseason (Winters, Aboushi, Campbell, and Dozier).  All 4 kids have a chance to be starters in this league and Capbell can be a Brandon Moore type with Aboushi and Dozier being big road graders.  WInters is a pulling guard that is very athletic.  There is plenty of talent behind Colon and if he wasn't brought back last year (I didn't hear anyone else chasing him), we'd still be fine heading into camp, IMO.  I'd just rather have him than not in case the kids need more time.  He also seems like a stand up guy who wouldn't hesitate to help a kid.  OG is one of the most comfortable spots on the roster for me.
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football51 wrote: I hate when I read something like that. The Jets don't lack "depth" at guard. They lack "experience".
In all fairness, every team lacks depth on the OL. Seldom do teams have starter-quality guards on the roster to be their third G.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 5:51 PM

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Jetman55 wrote: I'd say the jets have stockpiled talent behind Colon, but it's unproven talent.  Remember the Packers took a lot of crap for their weak secondary when they moved Woodson to safety.  They weren't weak at CB, but the CBs were unproven.  Now Shields is viewed as a top 10 CB and secondary outside of safety has been solid since Woodson transitioned.  The media assumes a lack of talent until proven instead of just pointing out a lack of experience.  I feel that is us at OG, we may have 4 OGs looking for 2 spots and may the best win.  Teh key is we're not searching the scrap heaps for retreads...which was our old model.  I am very happy with our depth at OG and I am very excited to see how these 4 perform this preseason (Winters, Aboushi, Campbell, and Dozier).  All 4 kids have a chance to be starters in this league and Capbell can be a Brandon Moore type with Aboushi and Dozier being big road graders.  WInters is a pulling guard that is very athletic.  There is plenty of talent behind Colon and if he wasn't brought back last year (I didn't hear anyone else chasing him), we'd still be fine heading into camp, IMO.  I'd just rather have him than not in case the kids need more time.  He also seems like a stand up guy who wouldn't hesitate to help a kid.  OG is one of the most comfortable spots on the roster for me.
The key factor here is there was a clean sweep at OG.
It was PROVEN that there was no viable starters at either Guard position.
Now there are four promising candidates in addition to a couple of veterans which cannot help but to improve the competition at both Guard slots and hopefully the law of averages for OL will play out proportionately with 2 of the 4 becoming GOOD Guards & perhaps backup Tackles - not (s)crapheap specials like Vlad, Slauson, Schlauderaff, Hunter, & Howard, were.
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