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Gil Brandt Says...Jets greatly improved, but stuck in neutral

Posted: 5/29/2014 11:00 AM

Gil Brandt Says...Jets greatly improved, but stuck in neutral 


Not sure how many on here have Sirius, but Brandt every time he talks about the Jets loves every player we've added (he actually likes the McDougle pick the most of any player drafted, followed by Saunders who he thinks is the same players as Cooks).  However, he feels the QB addition of Vick will be negative and keep us 8-8.  The below matches what he says on the radio...and Vick's interviews align with his concerns (I know some people thinks this is another Vinny T situation, but Vinny T wasn't talking like Vick about taking a team to a super bowl while contradicting his head coach, Vinny did what Bill told him and knew when to shut up...Vick needs a mussle).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...ng-bears-rising

STUCK IN NEUTRAL

New York Jets

This team is an enigma. How the Jetscould be outscored by 97 points while posting a turnover differential of -14 andstill manage to finish 8-8 is very hard to explain.

Geno Smith is the key in New York. Of the Jets' 29 turnovers in 2013, Smith contributed a whopping 25. For what it's worth, he did cut down on such gaffes toward the end of the year, giving up just two picks over a 3-1 stretch to close things out. And, of course, he didn't have much in the way of help, so theJets added a number of offensive pieces, including receiver Eric Decker, running back Chris Johnson and lineman Breno Giacomini. Smith's ability -- or failure -- to take advantage of those pieces will determine the course of the Jets' season.

New York also picked up some helpful assets in the draft, adding safety Calvin Pryor and underrated cornerback Dexter McDougle to a pass defense that ranked 22nd last season. Additionally, they grabbed some prospects who could further help the offense in tight end Jace Amaro and receiver Jalen Saunders. The latter actually reminds me of Saints first-round pick Brandin Cooks in terms of quickness, but Saunders is lighter and didn't have the same kind of production in college.

Still, everything's riding on Smith, which makes the situation with Michael Vick especially interesting. Vick had been saying all the right things about being a backup -- that is, until he volunteered his opinion that he could take the Jets to the Super Bowl. A split on this team could be catastrophic.

Predicted win total: Eight.

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Posted: 5/29/2014 1:00 PM

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Jetman55 wrote:

Not sure how many on here have Sirius, but Brandt every time he talks about the Jets loves every player we've added (he actually likes the McDougle pick the most of any player drafted, followed by Saunders who he thinks is the same players as Cooks).  However, he feels the QB addition of Vick will be negative and keep us 8-8.  The below matches what he says on the radio...and Vick's interviews align with his concerns (I know some people thinks this is another Vinny T situation, but Vinny T wasn't talking like Vick about taking a team to a super bowl while contradicting his head coach, Vinny did what Bill told him and knew when to shut up...Vick needs a mussle).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...ng-bears-rising

STUCK IN NEUTRAL

New York Jets

This team is an enigma. How the Jetscould be outscored by 97 points while posting a turnover differential of -14 andstill manage to finish 8-8 is very hard to explain.

Geno Smith is the key in New York. Of the Jets' 29 turnovers in 2013, Smith contributed a whopping 25. For what it's worth, he did cut down on such gaffes toward the end of the year, giving up just two picks over a 3-1 stretch to close things out. And, of course, he didn't have much in the way of help, so theJets added a number of offensive pieces, including receiver Eric Decker, running back Chris Johnson and lineman Breno Giacomini. Smith's ability -- or failure -- to take advantage of those pieces will determine the course of the Jets' season.

New York also picked up some helpful assets in the draft, adding safety Calvin Pryor and underrated cornerback Dexter McDougle to a pass defense that ranked 22nd last season. Additionally, they grabbed some prospects who could further help the offense in tight end Jace Amaro and receiver Jalen Saunders. The latter actually reminds me of Saints first-round pick Brandin Cooks in terms of quickness, but Saunders is lighter and didn't have the same kind of production in college.

Still, everything's riding on Smith, which makes the situation with Michael Vick especially interesting. Vick had been saying all the right things about being a backup -- that is, until he volunteered his opinion that he could take the Jets to the Super Bowl. A split on this team could be catastrophic.

Predicted win total: Eight.

Things like this are why I hate the media. All positive until they misquoted Vick. He did not say he could take/lead the Jets to the Super Bowl. He said "I just feel like I can help any football team, any organization, particularly this football team, get to a Super Bowl" while also adding "I think Geno is going to be the starter. I think he is going to start this season off," Vick added. "I think Geno has every opportunity to go out and have success. He is going to get that opportunity" in the same interview. It sounds nothing like what the media is pushing.

Those were both taken from the hyperlink in Brandt's article on the phrase "he could take the Jets to the Super Bowl." It's ridiculous.


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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:07 PM

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I know there is a lot of people who feel that way.

Whether you agree or disagree with how the media spins what Vick says, the real point is Vick isn't that smart, and his interviews show it. Vick's answer, and the truth of the situation is this simple, should be "I've been brought here to play my role the best I can, whatever that role is. QB competitions an playing time is up to the coaches. If you have questions about me or Geno playing, I have no control over that other than how I execute on the field. If you want those details, you'll need to talk to the coaches."

Anyone, no matter where you stand on Vick's answers, should agree he should leave the decisions and discussions on the decisions to the coaches.

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Posted: 5/29/2014 4:19 PM

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The only thing that I don't think Brandt and other media members factor in is that Geno/Vick are very close. They've been friends since Smith's last year at  West Virginia. I think Vick will do right by Smith, and the other players already refer to Smith as the starter. I think Vick and the rest of the team knows that Vick only sees the field if Geno reverts back to the way he played last november, and I don't see that happening. Geno wasn't out there with Cotchery, Keller, Edwards, Jones, Washington, T-Rich, etc his rookie year(not that he ever complained). I'm really interested to see Smith with this supporting cast.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 5:03 PM

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I don't see anywhere but up for Geno, barring injury. Our QB situation is better than half the teams in the league.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:05 PM

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If there is a split on the team, it will because Geno played poorly. Not because of anything Vick says or does






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Posted: 5/29/2014 7:19 PM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote: If there is a split on the team, it will because Geno played poorly. Not because of anything Vick says or does

Agreed....... and if Smith does play poorly, they'll put Vick in anyway.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 8:22 PM

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TOJ once again puts an end to the drivel that Cimini/Mehta like to produce.

http://turnonthejets.com/2014/...mpetition-gate/
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Posted: 5/29/2014 9:59 PM

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i dont see how this idiot reporter can say that with all the improvements the team has made. even without drafting one of the top WR's or top 15 WR's this year, they still drafting 3 and hopefully someone steps up. not to mention the fact decker will contribute 60-70 catches atleast, which would be more then 2-3 of the WR's we had playing last year. kerley is coming back healthy and so is cumberland, zudfield and nelson. we picked up ford and drafted the 2nd best TE who will probably contribute 40-50 catches. the wild card ofcourse is hill and if he steps up, all hell will break loose with our passing game. there is no way in hell geno can't improve with all these additions/weapons. oh, did i forget to mention that fact that we have chris johnson running the ball now with chris ivory and powell and goodson at reserves. the running game ain't bad either. matter of fact, its damn good and can be one of the best if johnson and ivory can stay healthy. with all this going on, geno can't and wont flop and if he does we have vick waiting and ready. with the horrid and i mean disgustingly horrid offense we had last year and geno's overall poor performance throughout the year, the jets still managed a 8-8 season. true enough the defense carried the team and the defense is still the same and probably gotten better with a year experience for the young players. the draft picks of pryor and our 2 DB's will help this team also, especially pryor. there is no way in hell this is a 8-8 team unless it all just falls apart by injuries, coaching or focus and i can't see that happening. i see 10 wins whether its geno or vick running the show and that should be enough for an playoff wild card spot.

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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:04 PM

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I understand Gil Brandt is a respected football evaluator, but I just want to make sure I understand him correctly:

The Jets got better with their FA additions and draft picks. He specifically mentions Decker, CJ, and Breno G. As well as praising the picks of Pryor, Amaro, McDougle, and Saunders.

But his beef with the Jets is with the QB situation? Sounds like he's been listening to the drama driven media making a huge deal out of nothing. There's no QB controversy here folks, outside of ESPN's desire to create one out of thin air. They've been waiting on the sideline for somebody to say something which even remotely suggests uncertainty at the QB position. Presto! QB controversy!! Tebow Part 2!! Here we go again!! Circus!

You just KNEW this crap was gonna happen. The media loves NY QB controversy. Even when it doesn't exist.
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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:23 PM

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Gil Brandt has forgotten more about football than you will ever know..... He is hardly an idiot reporter






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Posted: 5/29/2014 11:50 PM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote:
Gil Brandt has forgotten more about football than you will ever know..... He is hardly an idiot reporter
He isn't an "idiot reporter," just like Madden isn't an idiot reporter either; but when you listen to Brandt or Madden speak today on their weekly Sirius shows, you can tell the game has long passed them by for sure.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 12:13 AM

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I don't see anywhere but up for Geno, barring injury. Our QB situation is better than half the teams in the league.

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So are our offensive weapons if you objectively go across every team.
I know its hard but take qb out of equation

Jets offensive weapons better that Miami. New England Pittsburgh. Baltimore. Cleveland. Jax Tenn raiders chargers borderline chiefs...definitely better Giants. Wash. Borderline dallas....Tampa bay..panthers....rams...cards...and sf and seattle are borderline. Their defenses separate their teams
JETS 2014 AFC EAST CHAMPS
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Posted: 5/30/2014 10:05 AM

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football51 wrote: TOJ once again puts an end to the drivel that Cimini/Mehta like to produce.

http://turnonthejets.com/2014/...mpetition-gate/



it amazes me how the "media" attempts to make what should be obvious into some pseudo-controvery
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Posted: 5/30/2014 11:46 AM

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The team went 8-8 with Geno last year. This offseason, they've made big improvements.

If Geno is starting, you still have at worst status quo in the QB position, and probably an upgrade as he matures in the position. If Vick is starting, it means he's been better than Geno.

The question I would have for Brandt is, how is a guy who would either:

1. be an upgrade at QB, or

2. be the backup

bring the team back down? His argument makes absolutely no sense.

There is no logical way Vick's presence would negate the improvements the team made.

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Posted: 5/30/2014 12:04 PM

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SackExchange wrote: The team went 8-8 with Geno last year. This offseason, they've made big improvements.

If Geno is starting, you still have at worst status quo in the QB position, and probably an upgrade as he matures in the position. If Vick is starting, it means he's been better than Geno.

The question I would have for Brandt is, how is a guy who would either:

1. be an upgrade at QB, or

2. be the backup

bring the team back down? His argument makes absolutely no sense.

There is no logical way Vick's presence would negate the improvements the team made.
They're all pushing the locker room chemistry/cancer angle, almost hoping for the circus.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 12:13 PM

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If we get out of Sept at least 2-2, we are good to go. If not....noideadisbelief
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Posted: 5/30/2014 12:43 PM

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jgrote wrote:

They're all pushing the locker room chemistry/cancer angle, almost hoping for the circus.
It's easy for them. They create the circus, and then use it to bash the Jets.

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Posted: 5/30/2014 1:07 PM

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SackExchange wrote: The team went 8-8 with Geno last year. This offseason, they've made big improvements.

If Geno is starting, you still have at worst status quo in the QB position, and probably an upgrade as he matures in the position. If Vick is starting, it means he's been better than Geno.

The question I would have for Brandt is, how is a guy who would either:

1. be an upgrade at QB, or

2. be the backup

bring the team back down? His argument makes absolutely no sense.

There is no logical way Vick's presence would negate the improvements the team made.
And thats why I say he is a idiot and I don't understand the few people the seem to disagree.  Geno's year was a disaster last year but you gotta give him a pass with the horrid play makers he had around.  This year he should alot better and if he is not, then Vick is ready and waiting.  Geno knows this so he has to step his game up if he wants to stay on the field.  With the weapons we have now, if Geno lets Vick get on that field, Vick is not coming back off unless he gets injured and Geno knows this.  Vick will be the supportive vet he needs to be for the team and teach and lead Vick and Boyd.  However; Vick is not used to riding the bench to anyone and has never lost a QB competition.  This will be a positive QB competition with Geno being the true starter unless he losses it in training camp and pre-season or during the season.  This won't be a circus and won't effect the team at all because if Geno does fail, the Jets won't wait long to snatch him off the field.  This isn't a Sanchez-Tebow or Geno-Sanchez situation that makes it a circus.  This is a true QB competition that is good and healthy for everyone until Geno proves in a good or bad way that there is no reason to call it a competition any longer.
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Posted: 5/30/2014 1:20 PM

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jgrote wrote:

They're all pushing the locker room chemistry/cancer angle, almost hoping for the circus.
It's easy for them. They create the circus, and then use it to bash the Jets.

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I don't mean to sound all conspiracy theory here, but it's a no-win situation with this team all the time. No matter what they do, it always seems to generate doubt with the media hacks. They picked up a better backup QB/insurance plan if Geno falters, and now there's a problem? I just don't get it.
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