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Milk Carton-Help us find NYJ WR Stephen Hill #84

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Posted: 11/8/2013 7:36 AM

Milk Carton-Help us find NYJ WR Stephen Hill #84 


I know it's only year two. Yet since Santonio Holmes has been sidelined due to injury after the Tennessee Titans game. Hill had:

Falcons game: 2 Receptions for 21 yards
Steelers game: 3 receptions for 43 yards
Patriots game: No receptions
Bengals game: 4 receptions 23 yards
New Orleans game: No receptions
Through 9 games he has a pedestrious:23 receptions for 340 yards and one TD

I fully expect Holmes back this week and as many aren't going to like this but, i'd bench Hill and start out David Nelson, Holmes, Salas and have Hill demoted to number 4.  He just doesn't make the most out of his opportunities whatsoever.
The guy is as fragile as glass.  Does he need to be targeted more? Maybe if he runs the right route he can make progress.
There was a play last week on 3rd down that would have extended our drive and not punted the ball away to give the Saints that last gasp opportunity.  You could see it all over Geno's face that he was upset at 84 for not hooking as Stephen just went straight up field.  There is definitely something Stephen isn't getting.
Now in saying this, i'am not ready to cut him.  I know it takes time with a player coming from a program that runs 1st.  Hence i'd rather him work to get back to starter status.  He's been silver spooned ever since we drafted him.  Thrusted into the starting line up and he's done nothing for us except for a couple of here and there plays.
Case and point check out what Alshon Jeffery is doing with the Bears. He's tearing it up.  Don't give me that he's got Brandon Marshall on the other side.  He's making the most out of his opportunities when the ball is in the air.
I'am more than sure these next 7 games will determine if Idzik wants to upgrade the roster spot Hill is occupying for 2014.  These remaining games will weigh heavy on Hill.  He's not IDzik problem, he's not joined to the hip as Tanny was by drafting him.  It's an open audition.  IMHO, David Nelson has surpassed Hill in every facet.  86 should not be demoted once Holmes comes back. 
Have Hill earn his spot back. We all know he's got all the intangibles and rarity in the world, but damn it...it's time to use them.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 11/8/2013 9:55 AM

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I cannot put my finger on this player. Is the problem that he's not getting open, not being targeted enough, being covered really well, or is Geno not seeing him?

I don't know the answer. I just know that Hill's stats are underwhelming. Marty M. mentioned the other day "i've gotta get him more involved". I think we're all waiting for that.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 10:00 AM

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I would def start Nelson over Hill.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 10:32 AM

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Two problems:

1) Hill does not like to get hit.

2) The only pass play that works for Hill is the go pattern / fly / or bomb. He had a 26 YPC @ Georgia Tech because he can stretch the field. Throw him some deep patterns and you will see more success which will help his confidence. I don't think Hill will ever be our # 1 WR (even when Holmes is gone). I hope we target Eric Decker WR in free agency and draft Watkins, Evans or Lee, and that will cure our WR problems.

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 11/8/2013 11:37 AM

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The answer is summed up in all the posts-it's a little bit of everything. This is what you get when you select a player who is "raw" or a "project"-you need patience to let them develope. I hope he isn't Lam Jones 2.0.  I think Hill will improve. 

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Posted: 11/8/2013 12:07 PM

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I don't believe the team is going to do that just yet. And I don't want to make excuses for him either. He is on his second system in as many years, and his inconsistency in holding on to the ball has to effect Geno's confidence in trusting him. It's has to be a head scratch for the staff to wonder his role in each game plan when the active receivers keep changing.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 12:34 PM

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I don't know of any other Jet getting hammered as often as Hill has this year. One week he gets a helmet to the jaw and should have been knocked out the next week he gets hit in the ribs so hard I would not be surprised if we find out in the offseason that several of them were fractured. The guy needs to learn how to avoid the big hit and looks a little shell shocked to me. He is definitely raw and desperately needs to improve his ball skills, but I'd give him another year before seriously considering to cut bait.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 1:27 PM

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I was his biggest supporter and still believe if he is coached up, and has some own desire, he can become a home-run hitter for us. 

In that regard, I agree with Dan, maybe benching would wake up the sleeping giant. If it doesn't, then that also gives us info we need going forward. We need to find out what he is made of.

As someone posted on game thread......he is ONE TRICK PONY. Problem with that trick is that you can't hit home-runs on every pass. You have to set some people up. If you don't, they know where you are going and will not let you separate. 

Also our O-line is not where it needs to be to hold up for long developing plays. That limits number of opportunities we can create even to take advantage of ONE TRICK Hill has.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 2:31 PM

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Guess I'm holding onto Hill the way I did Sanchez for so long without allowing myself to except the real truth before it was to late.  I'm still of the belief Hill will be a beast, he just is taking longer to develop into that.  It took me 3 and half years before I excepted Sanchez sucked and wasn't a franchise QB.  I realized it by the end of year 3, I just didn't want to except it.  Guess I'm truly doing the same here with Hill, I still have faith in him.  He is 6'4, 215 lbs., has talent and fast as hell!!!  You just can't teach height, size and speed, he just doesn't seem to have the heart and toughness to be a # 1 WR.  That is something you also can't teach, you either have it or you don't.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 3:01 PM

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I think he had something like 29 career receptions at GT-that is RAW. I'm still hoping he makes progress after the bye week. I don't want to give up on a player in their 2nd year especially with his size/speed. I have seen some improvement just not enough to say "he gets it".
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Posted: 11/8/2013 3:03 PM

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--- cysporsche wrote:

Two problems:

1) Hill does not like to get hit.

2) The only pass play that works for Hill is the go pattern / fly / or bomb. He had a 26 YPC @ Georgia Tech because he can stretch the field. Throw him some deep patterns and you will see more success which will help his confidence. I don't think Hill will ever be our # 1 WR (even when Holmes is gone). I hope we target Eric Decker WR in free agency and draft Watkins, Evans or Lee, and that will cure our WR problems.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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Decker and Watkins would be huge additions. +1 on that plan
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Posted: 11/8/2013 3:11 PM

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cysporsche wrote: Two problems:

1) Hill does not like to get hit.

2) The only pass play that works for Hill is the go pattern / fly / or bomb. He had a 26 YPC @ Georgia Tech because he can stretch the field. Throw him some deep patterns and you will see more success which will help his confidence. I don't think Hill will ever be our # 1 WR (even when Holmes is gone). I hope we target Eric Decker WR in free agency and draft Watkins, Evans or Lee, and that will cure our WR problems.

Go Jets...Cyborg
I would agree Cy. He shows flashes, but far and few. Reminds me of Heyward-Bey. These guys have all the physical tools, but something just doesn't click. Great hardware, suspect software. Like the Jeff George of WRs.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 5:14 PM

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jets82 wrote: Guess I'm holding onto Hill the way I did Sanchez for so long without allowing myself to except the real truth before it was to late.  I'm still of the belief Hill will be a beast, he just is taking longer to develop into that.  It took me 3 and half years before I excepted Sanchez sucked and wasn't a franchise QB.  I realized it by the end of year 3, I just didn't want to except it.  Guess I'm truly doing the same here with Hill, I still have faith in him.  He is 6'4, 215 lbs., has talent and fast as hell!!!  You just can't teach height, size and speed, he just doesn't seem to have the heart and toughness to be a # 1 WR.  That is something you also can't teach, you either have it or you don't.
Plus has anyone noticed how goofy & emotional the kid is. He makes some of the strangest facial expressions i have ever seen and when he pops his eye-balls out of his head eek is hilarious ! Also, he has some serious mood swings and looks ready to fight @ times.argue.gif

I'm beginning to wonder if the kid is skating on the right side of the ice !eek1

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 11/8/2013 6:00 PM

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I attended the "open" training camp day at The Atlantic facility ... The one thing stood out that day was when Cro laid out Hill on a pass close to our endzone.....Players gathered in response to the huge hit teammate to teammate ....

In light of especially the big subject in the news these days out of Miami ...I wondered then as I wonder now ......Is Hill considered to "soft " by NFL WR standards and was the Cro hit that day intended to send a LOUD message .........?????He will have to get it at some point soon what it takes to be a legit WR in this league
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Posted: 11/8/2013 6:15 PM

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CHAD1818 wrote: I attended the "open" training camp day at The Atlantic facility ... The one thing stood out that day was when Cro laid out Hill on a pass close to our endzone.....Players gathered in response to the huge hit teammate to teammate ....

In light of especially the big subject in the news these days out of Miami ...I wondered then as I wonder now ......Is Hill considered to "soft " by NFL WR standards and was the Cro hit that day intended to send a LOUD message .........?????He will have to get it at some point soon what it takes to be a legit WR in this league
He held up well after getting drilled by Polamalu on that sideline catch. Besides, I don't think Cro would be the one to send a message on being soft. He's improved from his matador Chargers days but not by much.
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Posted: 11/8/2013 8:36 PM

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he's the anti-Chrebet. Possess the physical tools but underwhelms in real performance. Hope the lights switch on soon with him.
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Posted: 11/9/2013 7:53 AM

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No doubt he has been disappointing, but didn't they know he was a work in progress when they drafted him? How many WRs come into the NFL already polished?
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Posted: 11/9/2013 9:39 AM

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danfran wrote: No doubt he has been disappointing, but didn't they know he was a work in progress when they drafted him? How many WRs come into the NFL already polished?
"They" as in Tanny's regime.  This is Idzik's tenure.  Every one must make an impression.  John will make the necessary changes to push the right buttons in order to upgrade positions.
It's all about competition as he stated from day one. No one's job is safe UNLESS the player is playing at a high level consistently.  This is why i absolutely love the "FOR THIS WEEK THE PLAYER IS STARTING" mantra.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 11/10/2013 2:31 AM

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JetScreamer wrote: The answer is summed up in all the posts-it's a little bit of everything. This is what you get when you select a player who is "raw" or a "project"-you need patience to let them develope. I hope he isn't Lam Jones 2.0.  I think Hill will improve. 

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He will never be Lam Jones......Lam Jones was the #1 pick the year he was drafted......and goes down in history as one of the worst picks ever.....right up there with Blair Thomas.

Stephen Hill was a mid 2nd rounder
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Posted: 11/10/2013 12:07 PM

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nyjetsdan16 wrote:
danfran wrote: No doubt he has been disappointing, but didn't they know he was a work in progress when they drafted him? How many WRs come into the NFL already polished?
"They" as in Tanny's regime.  This is Idzik's tenure.  Every one must make an impression.  John will make the necessary changes to push the right buttons in order to upgrade positions.
It's all about competition as he stated from day one. No one's job is safe UNLESS the player is playing at a high level consistently.  This is why i absolutely love the "FOR THIS WEEK THE PLAYER IS STARTING" mantra.
+1 You as a starter either get the job done or you sit; and if you fall further down the depth chart than expected, they (team Idzik) will likely debate whether you should be brought back or not in the offseason, and the thought of this excites me.

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