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NFL "experts" weren't talking about our 'D' heading

Posted: 9/25/2013 8:36 PM

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Into 2013...

As you can tell by my user name I'm a die hard fan of the defensive side of the ball, and to me, it was just mind boggling how so called NFL experts were completely ignoring our defensive talent, ability and overall potential under coach Ryan while stating how we were one of (if not) the worst team in all of football.

I'm truthfully not sure how our season of 2013 was completely overlooked when we're featuring a defensive foundation being led by a defensive guru in coach Ryan along with top notch players such as Muhammad Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, David Harris and Antonio Cromartie along with young up and coming talents in DeMario Davis (an athletic sideline to sideline IMLB opposite of Harris), a force at 6'4/346 lbs in Kenrick Ellis, one of the top rated defensive lineman coming out in Sheldon Richardson, the top rated coverage corner coming out in Dee Milliner opposite of Cromartie along with solid veteran players in Antwan Barnes, Calvin Pace and Dawan Landry.

Was simply mind boggling to me. Where am I going with this? Yes we're only three games into the season but...

- 3rd overall ranked defense behind only Houston and Seattle only allowing 270.0 yards per game.

- 7th overall ranked defense in regards to points allowed per game only allowing 16.7 points per contest.

- 3rd overall in defensive sacks behind only Dallas and Kansas City with 12 sacks (4.0 sacks per game).

- 6th ranked defense against the run behind the likes of only Atlanta, Baltimore, Arizona, Dallas and Denver; only allowing 79.7 rushing yards per game.

- 3rd ranked defensive unit against the run, only behind Cleveland and Denver in terms of yards per rush against (3.2 yards per carry against).

- Last but not least when in regards to our run defense being led by a dominating front 7, we've only allowed 1 rushing TD thus far through 3 weeks. We're also 1st against the run in terms of fumbles forced (3).

When looking at these defensive statistics against the pass (below) two words and/or one question comes to mind; Revis who?

- Ranked 7th against the pass only allowing 190 passing yards per game.

- Ranked 1st against the pass in terms of completion percentage allowed/against, with a completion percentage against of only 47.3%.

- Ranked 2nd against the pass behind only Seattle in terms of passing yards against per attempt, only allowing an average of 5.7 yards per pass attempt against.

- Ranked 6th in opposing QB rating, with a QB rating against of only 70.5.

We've held Doug Martin who ranked 5th in rushing yards last season to only 65 yards off an average of only 2.7 yards per carry. We held Tom Brady to his 2nd lowest QB rating over the previous two years with a QB rating of only 71.0.

Sorry for the long winded post and our offensive side of the ball is a topic for another discussion but when in regards to this Jets defense of 2013 in which is led by an elite front 7? It made absolutely zero sense how so called NFL experts were counting us out while completely ignoring/overlooking the makings of our defensive unit heading into the season. We're featuring by far, without question, a top 5 defense here in 2013. And chances are, it'll only continue to improve and become stronger as younger talents such as Wilkerson, Coples, Ellis, Richardson, Harrison, Davis, Milliner, Wilson, Bush and Allen gain experience with playing time.

Am I considering us a super bowl contender? No. We haven't earned that type of hype due to our previous two seasons. But am I considering us a defense to be reckoned with? Without question. Which means we'll be in each and every game (or at least 75% of our games) which gives us a chance to put up victories any given Sunday. So for those so called experts in which gave us zero chance of competing during the entire offseason? As Jet fans, it'll be fun watching our defense prove them wrong as wrong could possibly be as the season goes on.


Last edited 9/25/2013 8:37 PM by DefenseWinsChampionships1985

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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:32 AM

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Good post.  Love the passion.  Was talking about this the other day, not quite sure how a team with top 5 defense potential could possibly weigh out as last overall.  To say defense is overlooked I guess is an understatement.

All those stats are a nice start.  On the points side keep in mind that we have turned the ball over numerous times and that at least 2-3 times the ball was returned into our red zone.  In each case I seem to recall we stopped them for FG max which is huge.  Hopefully we cut down on those turnovers and our points/game go down, and most importantly our winning pct goes up.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 12:22 PM

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I can't blame the "experts" overlooking the D ... Ryan has been too much of a blowhard who hasn't backed up much of what he has said the last two years, so its a little easy to overlook that a broken clock is right a couple of times in the day.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 1:49 PM

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I don't know that I can blame them either.  I am sure they thought the loss of Revis would be more of a factor than it has been.  I doubt they saw the impact of Richardson and Snacks being as big as they have been and I am sure they never saw the return to form of David Harris and Calvin Pace.  

They probably saw the Jet defense as being a good but not great one.....which it has the potential to become.  Combine that with what they saw as a Sanchez led offense scoring little and you have a very bad team.

Many on this forum agreed with a lot of what the experts saw.

Just enjoy the fact that to date....The experts have been wrong.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 2:30 PM

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While the NFL is a "what have you done lately for me" league, the press generally lives in the past and so makes it's judgements and considerations based on a SUSTAINED record over time.
NE is gunna be great in 2013 because they ARE NE.
The Packers are a top team because they ARE the Packers and are always a top team, even if they look bad for a few weeks.
PIT - as big of an "over the hill" gang as it comes in football - is STILL considered a contender, even though they haven't been since 2010, missed the playoff last year, and only finished 2 games ahead of the buttfumbler.
The Jets recent success (2008-2010) is also just as far back in the rear view mirror but PIT maintained a CREDIBLE #1 defense for a decade.

If you are a fan of the Jets you are aware of their overall improvement as a team since Woody bought them, but BECAUSE the Jets are NYC's funderdogs, the team everyone loves to make fun of and the media whipping boys, NOBODY really even raises an eyebrow after a couple of successful seasons.
I mean, they ARE the Jets after all, and everyone knows they will self-destruct sooner rather than later - right? bored1

Until this club DOES maintain a decade of success, nobody is going to automatically extend them the benefit of the doubt.
They are about 4 consecutive playoff seasons and a Super Bowl appearance away from that automatica.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:05 PM

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It's fun watching a great defense again.
http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Russ-Smith1.jpg
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Posted: 9/26/2013 4:45 PM

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lol HYATT, you pop up in the strangest places...tongue
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Posted: 9/27/2013 4:34 PM

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BuddyRyans46 wrote: lol HYATT, you pop up in the strangest places...tongue
There are a lot stranger boards than this one.
Places I won't even use the HYATT™ name.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 7:44 AM

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I'm not sure it was overlooked. Every single person I heard talking about the Jets said "the defense is pretty good, but the offense will be terrible". Radio guys, newspaper, everyone.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 8:49 AM

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Nice breakdown DWC1985 !

Still early in the season but another good read on the potential for this young D based on the stats so far.

http://www.ganggreennation.com...-than-you-think

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Posted: 9/28/2013 4:35 PM

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HYATT wrote:
BuddyRyans46 wrote: lol HYATT, you pop up in the strangest places...tongue
There are a lot stranger boards than this one.
Places I won't even use the HYATT™ name.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 9:01 PM

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Amazing after 3 games this JETS Defense .. with 6 new starters is doing as well as they are, I can't wait until around game 10 when they truely have learned to play together.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 10:14 PM

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NYJDraftKing wrote: Amazing after 3 games this JETS Defense .. with 6 new starters is doing as well as they are, I can't wait until around game 10 when they truely have learned to play together.
You're not the only one who sees something special,

http://www.nydailynews.com/spo...ticle-1.1470542

What's great is we get to sit back and enjoy what is about to unfold!
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Posted: 9/28/2013 10:16 PM

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NYJDraftKing wrote: Amazing after 3 games this JETS Defense .. with 6 new starters is doing as well as they are, I can't wait until around game 10 when they truely have learned to play together.
I think there are 7 new starters, but who's counting. Allen, Landry, Milliner/Walls/Wilson, Davis, Coples, Harrison and Richardson.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 11:47 PM

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Coples is not "new".
He started a "Cople" biggrin games in 2012.
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Posted: 9/29/2013 7:05 AM

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HYATT wrote: Coples is not "new".
He started a "Cople" biggrin games in 2012.
Details.  Doesn't the fact that he is playing a new position count?
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Posted: 9/29/2013 3:12 PM

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Appreciated both links that were posted. Especially the one about our former sack-exchange members talking up our current players on our defensive line. Really has me fired up heading into Tennessee.

Another statistic that's really impressive is that that, 7 of our 8 sacks against Buffalo were with nothing more than 4 man rushes. No exotic blitz packages were needed in order to not only create pressure but also during 7 of our 8 sacks. Impressive.

The addition of Coples was great for our defense last week. Kid was all over the football field creating mismatches and pressure. With Coples we're able to use him all over the defensive line but as an outside pass rusher? I love his potential behind the likes of Wilkerson, Ellis, Harrison and Richardson.

Can't forget about our two IMLB's playing behind these animals either. These MLB's have been an underrated topic of discussion around here. David Harris is truly a tackling machine in which leads our team in tackles with 22 but you know who's been light's out thus far? DeMario Davis. A 2nd year player in which ranks 2nd in team tackles with 20 (also has 1 sack). This kid is perfect playing opposite/alongside Harris. And due to his sideline to sideline speed along with overall quickness and even coverage ability; he's been one of our biggest upgrades from last year replacing an aging Bart Scott. 

Last but not least; two veteran OLB's in Calvin Pace and Antwan Barnes. The types of role players needed in order to win ball games.

This front seven is truthfully fully loaded.

Wilkerson = 1st round.
Coples = 1st round.
Richardson = 1st round.
Ellis = 3rd round.
Davis = 3rd round.

Thank god for coach Ryan. A defensive mind in which understands that games are won within the trenches. I truly believe we're an explosive OLB opposite of Coples away from being one of the most dominating front 7's I've ever seen.
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