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Who do you have pegged as this year's draft busts?

Posted: 3/6/2013 12:57 PM

Who do you have pegged as this year's draft busts? 


Mine (off the top of my head)

1.) Cordarelle Patterson, WR Tennessee-  This guy has some good measurables but has only played one year of major D1 football.  This one year showed some terrific highlights and big play ability, but it also showed inconsistent hands and route running.  In my opinion, Patterson is the poster boy for the kind of player draftniks fall in love with in March and April and then disappoint in the league.

2.) Barkevious Mingo-  Another monster in shorts and under armour but will not play as well as his athleticism.

3.) EJ Manuel- As much as I hate to say it (because he's an exceptional kid), this guy is getting way too much love right now.  You need to have a head for the game at the QB position and this is ALWAYS the one attribute that gets overlooked, even though every year we get reminded of this lesson.  EJ is the definition of inconsistent and cannot read coverages or blitzes.  But, yes, he is a physical specimen.

4.) Alec Olgetree-  This is a kid who is equally athletic and good at the sport of football.  Something tells me his head isn't screwed on straight though.  Time will tell.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:01 PM

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1. Nassib QB SU - I think he is tough but will be nothing more than a back-up QB.

2. Glennon QB NC State - inconsistent in college, inconsistent in bowl games, inconsistent at the senior bowl, inconsistent at the combine, heaven forbid someone at the NFL level thinks they can fix a guy who was never a consistent QB.

3. Star DT Utah - reminds me of Robertson for some reason.

4.Vaccarro S Texas - I only say this because he'll be drafted rd 1 and will be the 3rd or 4th best S in this draft.

5. Fisher OT - he may go #1 overall and has limited exposure to NFL caliber talent.  A huge risk taking this guy so high.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:12 PM

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I think all 4 of those guys are going to be stars.  Ogletree is the only one who might be an issue because he has a history of off the field  stuff.  All 4 are great athletes who were productive vs top flight college competition.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:15 PM

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Sarge. If Jordan is gone and we have a choice of Mingo or Jones. Who do you take?
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:18 PM

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trico990 wrote: Sarge. If Jordan is gone and we have a choice of Mingo or Jones. Who do you take?

Sarge, do you even like Jordan?  I believe you already said you like Mingo over Jones.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:20 PM

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Vaccaro of course and I'm still not sold 100% on Mingo.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 1:32 PM

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I like Jordan, Jones, and Mingo.  I'd take any of the 3.  Of course Jordan and Jones have health issues that we don't know the severity of.  Jordan and Mingo are taller than Jones and I think they have more frame to fill out.  Jones is the most instinctive football player of the 3.  If it came down to Mingo or Jones, I'd take Mingo unless I was 110% sure Jones' medical was fine, if so, it's a toss up

UPDATE: And I like Ansah and I don't hate Moore - think both of them would be good fits for our scheme
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Posted: 3/6/2013 3:22 PM

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Honestly, I am not sold on a lot of these guys at the top of the draft at this point.  I see better value in the middle and late first.  D. Moore looks like he has bust written all over him.  Mingo too.  Vaccaro maybe.  Ansah has major busy potential, and so does Patterson.  There are a bunch of players I think could be huge busts.  The players that seem the safest to me are Joekel, Fisher, Austin, Eifert, Millner.  I think they are all really good football players.  A lot of these other guys are great athletes but have mixed levels of production on the field.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 3:26 PM

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Jetman55,

pretty good list.  I think a case could be made for all of the QB's in this draft.  Barkley and Geno Smith are certainly no sure things either.  Only thing about Glennon is that he was about as good as it gets the 2nd half of his junior year, when he had a decent (not great) supporting cast.  I think NC State's receivers and protection were so bad this year that he developed some bad habits in the pocket.


Regarding Jones vs Mingo:

Jarvis Jones absolutely took over games (on multiple occasions) and Mingo did not.  That has to count for a lot in this process of deciding who you would want to take.  I would even go as far to say that UGA would have lost to UF by a couple scores if not for JJ.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 3:33 PM

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LIJETFAN wrote: Honestly, I am not sold on a lot of these guys at the top of the draft at this point.  I see better value in the middle and late first.  D. Moore looks like he has bust written all over him.  Mingo too.  Vaccaro maybe.  Ansah has major busy potential, and so does Patterson.  There are a bunch of players I think could be huge busts.  The players that seem the safest to me are Joekel, Fisher, Austin, Eifert, Millner.  I think they are all really good football players.  A lot of these other guys are great athletes but have mixed levels of production on the field.
Excellent post.

I am on record as being extremely high on Eifert and Austin.  Give these two guys to Sanchez and see how much "better" of a QB he becomes.

Eifert reminds me of a guy that Bill Parcells, back in the day, would have built an offense around.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 3:59 PM

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How does Mongo have bust written all over him? He's a productive athletic stud who faced top competition nearly every week
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Posted: 3/6/2013 4:01 PM

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Jones and Mingo played 2 different positions in 2 different schemes. LSUs overall defense was vastly superior to UGAs
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Posted: 3/7/2013 8:40 AM

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Yeah I'm with Sarge on this, people who say Mingo is a bust probably didn't watch many LSU games...he was awesome in 2011, but in 2012 he got A LOT more attention, was playing 4-3 DE (he should be a pure 3-4 OLB), and was used to contain mobile quarterbacks or contain certain areas of the field, he was not used as a pure pass rusher as he should be (similar to Oregon using Jordan in coverage a lot rather than having him pin his ears back and rush the QB)...Mingo has a non-stop motor (which is one of the most important things for a pass rusher) and elite athleticism...

I also am admittedly a huge fan of Moore even though he had an extremely unimpressive combine and may have some work ethic issues...while he may no longer be an option at 9 I certainly don't think he'll be a bust in any sense of the word...I think he'll fall into the Giants' lap @ 19 and in 2 years we'll be talking about what a steal they got, he doesn't have elite burst but he was extremely productive and has a motor that never stops...anyone saying he will be a bust is just someone who reads combine results and thinks it makes them draft experts, his 40 yd dash and bench press were weak but his vertical jump and broad jump were among the elite in the DL class...

I also like Jarvis Jones, but the stenosis does bug me...that being said, it would not surprise me at all if he goes before 9 to teams like the Eagles, Lions or Browns...maybe even the Bills or Cardinals...I think the latest he would slip is 17 to the Steelers unless some confirmed negative medical reports come out....

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Posted: 3/7/2013 8:59 AM

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ILDUCE24 wrote: Yeah I'm with Sarge on this, people who say Mingo is a bust probably didn't watch many LSU games...he was awesome in 2011, but in 2012 he got A LOT more attention, was playing 4-3 DE (he should be a pure 3-4 OLB), and was used to contain mobile quarterbacks or contain certain areas of the field, he was not used as a pure pass rusher as he should be (similar to Oregon using Jordan in coverage a lot rather than having him pin his ears back and rush the QB)...Mingo has a non-stop motor (which is one of the most important things for a pass rusher) and elite athleticism...

I also am admittedly a huge fan of Moore even though he had an extremely unimpressive combine and may have some work ethic issues...while he may no longer be an option at 9 I certainly don't think he'll be a bust in any sense of the word...I think he'll fall into the Giants' lap @ 19 and in 2 years we'll be talking about what a steal they got, he doesn't have elite burst but he was extremely productive and has a motor that never stops...anyone saying he will be a bust is just someone who reads combine results and thinks it makes them draft experts, his 40 yd dash and bench press were weak but his vertical jump and broad jump were among the elite in the DL class...

I also like Jarvis Jones, but the stenosis does bug me...that being said, it would not surprise me at all if he goes before 9 to teams like the Eagles, Lions or Browns...maybe even the Bills or Cardinals...I think the latest he would slip is 17 to the Steelers unless some confirmed negative medical reports come out....
Short story long, I think we can agree if we come out of the draft with Mingo, Jones, Jordan, or Moore we'll feel pretty good about the pick.
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Posted: 3/7/2013 9:47 AM

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Mingo did look very good in LB drills at the Combine. He was just too small playing DE at LSU and as mentioned earlier he saw more double teams.
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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:41 AM

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JetScreamer wrote: Mingo did look very good in LB drills at the Combine. He was just too small playing DE at LSU and as mentioned earlier he saw more double teams.

Oh, so you want a college defensive and and will turn him into a pass rushing outside linebacker?
Check out a Vernon Gholston tape, and play it over and over until the feeling goes away.

ENOUGH!
NO MORE SLASHES OR CONVERSIONS!!!
Find a player who plays a position well and draft him to play that position.
How is this so hard?

Later
"You spend a good part of your life gripping the baseball, and in the end it turns out it was the other way around all the time." Jim Bouton
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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:48 AM

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Many 3-4 OLBs were in fact former DEs. I feel your pain with Gholston as do others. Does that mean we never draft another former DE who's best Pro position is OLB? I did feel that way after watching Ghost so I know where you're coming from. I don't think Mingo will be the bust Ghost was. Will we draft him? I dunno. Moore is a possibility as is Jordan or Jones. Heck, anyone of these players can be a bust. We just don't know. I'll have to trust Idzik.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:49 AM

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NewMFS62 wrote:
JetScreamer wrote: Mingo did look very good in LB drills at the Combine. He was just too small playing DE at LSU and as mentioned earlier he saw more double teams.

Oh, so you want a college defensive and and will turn him into a pass rushing outside linebacker?
Check out a Vernon Gholston tape, and play it over and over until the feeling goes away.

ENOUGH!
NO MORE SLASHES OR CONVERSIONS!!!
Find a player who plays a position well and draft him to play that position.
How is this so hard?

Later


very few college teams run a 3-4.  so it is a very limited universe of prospects that have experience as a 3-4 OLB.  most of the top pro 3-4 OLBs were DEs in college.  so chances are, you will need to find the so-called slash player to make the transition in the pros.

but if you know of some elite college 3-4 OLBs, i'd be happy to hear you list of recommendations
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Posted: 3/7/2013 12:05 PM

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The Barkevious Mingo as Vernon Gholston narrative is RIDICULUOUS!!!!
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Posted: 3/7/2013 12:23 PM

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JetScreamer wrote: Mingo did look very good in LB drills at the Combine. He was just too small playing DE at LSU and as mentioned earlier he saw more double teams.

Oh, so you want a college defensive and and will turn him into a pass rushing outside linebacker?
Check out a Vernon Gholston tape, and play it over and over until the feeling goes away.

ENOUGH!
NO MORE SLASHES OR CONVERSIONS!!!
Find a player who plays a position well and draft him to play that position.
How is this so hard?

Later

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Yeah as hobs (Edit: & JetScreamer) noted above...check the stats...almost all of the 3-4 OLBs in the NFL are conversion projects for 4-3 DEs in college since barely any teams in college football run a base 3-4 defense...

Comments like that make people like me seriously doubt any research done on the matter prior to posting

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