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The Jets OG situation - specifically Ducasse v Slauson

Posted: 2/17/2013 8:03 AM

The Jets OG situation - specifically Ducasse v Slauson 


An interesting and seemingly objective look back on the LG rotation performances of Vlad and Slauson.  Also a discussion of who makes sense moving forward vis-a-vis the cap situation and RG BMoore.

http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/...son/#more-68667
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:48 AM

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Reads like Vlad may be better suited for the new offense with his quickness and athleticism. Maybe we will see more of DBrick's athleticism as well.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:33 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote: Reads like Vlad may be better suited for the new offense with his quickness and athleticism. Maybe we will see more of DBrick's athleticism as well.
I agree 100%...I think Ducasse would slide right in @ LG and be solid...then I'd say see if Moore gives a hometown discount to come back for a year or two @ RG or draft a mid round rook
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:47 AM

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Ducasse has never shown a thing that should make anyone think he would even make a serviceable starter. Ducasse is awful.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:10 PM

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wambam78 wrote: Ducasse has never shown a thing that should make anyone think he would even make a serviceable starter. Ducasse is awful.
If you were satisfied with Slauson, then the stats say Vlad is no worse, and perhaps better in a WCO because of more athleticism. What about the forgotten man Schlauderhoff?  Maybe he is also an athlete who is better suited for the WCO vs. the ground and pound.  The new offense may give guys like him a look from a different perspective.  It will be very interesting to see how all of this shakes out over the next several months and into camp.  If we draft an OG in the first 3 rounds, then you have an early answer unless of course we decide to let both Slauson and Moore go.

Last edited 2/17/2013 12:12 PM by jgrote

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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:30 PM

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I think Vlad would be better at RG-he's more road grader than pass protector and I would want a better pass protector on my QB's blind side.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:30 PM

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JetScreamer wrote: I think Vlad would be better at RG-he's more road grader than pass protector and I would want a better pass protector on my QB's blind side.
This...

I think the likelihood is Vlad to RG, Slauson stays at LG...

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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:33 PM

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Trust me, the NJJ do NOT have a viable LG on their roster.
It is imperative they draft/sign one in 2013 if they hope to compete with the likes of BAL, SF, N.O. ATL, SEA, CIN, PIT, NE, or even MIN & the NYG along the OL.
HYATT™
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Posted: 2/17/2013 4:54 PM

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--- HYATT wrote:

Trust me, the NJJ do NOT have a viable LG on their roster.
It is imperative they draft/sign one in 2013 if they hope to compete with the likes of BAL, SF, N.O. ATL, SEA, CIN, PIT, NE, or even MIN & the NYG along the OL.

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I second this. Let's get real guys ducasse gets beaten like a drum every time he's out there and looks lost or clueless on most plays . The only reason he was playing at all is because it was forced on Sparano and googli by tannembaum. Slauson started all year in 2010 and while he isn't perfect he's absolutely serviceable and can hold his own. Ducasse has not shown he can even do that.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:52 AM

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wambam78 wrote:

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--- HYATT wrote:

Trust me, the NJJ do NOT have a viable LG on their roster.
It is imperative they draft/sign one in 2013 if they hope to compete with the likes of BAL, SF, N.O. ATL, SEA, CIN, PIT, NE, or even MIN & the NYG along the OL.

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I second this. Let's get real guys ducasse gets beaten like a drum every time he's out there and looks lost or clueless on most plays . The only reason he was playing at all is because it was forced on Sparano and googli by tannembaum. Slauson started all year in 2010 and while he isn't perfect he's absolutely serviceable and can hold his own. Ducasse has not shown he can even do that.
I understand the desire and probably the need to upgrade the OG position, but to say that Vlad was beaten like a drum EVERY time he's out there and Slauson is ABSOLUTELY serviceable is intellectually dishonest.  I know you are trying to make a point, but come on did you not read the article?  I believe it said that Vlad was a better player than Slauson in the last 12 games; where's the disconnect?  If Ducasse wasn't a 2nd round pick, I believe folks would not be nearly as harsh.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:00 AM

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Absent a complete meltdown - Ducasse will start at one of the guard positions next year -- not sure either Moore or Slauson will be back. Moore is pretty beat up(and unless he signs a very reasonable 1 year deal he's probably gone)and Slauson demands will seemingly be too rich for the team. I can easily see slauson signing quickly with a team with one of the many ex-jet assistants . I think the jets will draft a guard and/or pick up a 2nd to 3rdish tier type veteran. As an aside, I'd love to see them grab Womack if he's there, and is truly the stud they say he is, as opposed to reaching elsewhere. Putting a guy like Womack next to Mangold would really push the pile inside well into the foreseeable future
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:12 AM

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If we don't resign Slauson, I'm very concerned about our backup center strategy.
I'm not sure if Schlauderoff has played there before, but how much confidence do
we have in someone who we were almost never to put on the field in the first place.

Maybe we can consider someone like Barrett Jones in the second round, who would
probably be able to start at Guard and be a good backup plan at Center. I'm not sure
if we could go with a G/C in a lower round, or the FA market for a backup C.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:35 AM

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pologroundsjf wrote: If we don't resign Slauson, I'm very concerned about our backup center strategy.
I'm not sure if Schlauderoff has played there before, but how much confidence do
we have in someone who we were almost never to put on the field in the first place.

Maybe we can consider someone like Barrett Jones in the second round, who would
probably be able to start at Guard and be a good backup plan at Center. I'm not sure
if we could go with a G/C in a lower round, or the FA market for a backup C.
I love Barrett Jones, but I'm not sure if I would take him at #39.  That may be talking out of both sides of my mouth, because I wouldn't be disappointed with Warmack @#9.  But Jones is a guy that you could plug in almost anywhere on the OL and get a solid performance.  I agree also that not having a solid contingency plan in the event of a Mangold injury is very troubling.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:56 AM

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Any way you look at it we have some serious issues on the offensive line. I think to go into the season with Vlad as a starter (doubt the Jets do that) would be as big a mistake as Hunter was at RT. I did focus in on Vlad quite a few times last year when he was in and still had not seen much improvement on his ability to protect the passer. In a lot of cases he got beat pretty easily.

You could argue that the guard position might be the biggest need come draft time with last years two starters future being uncertain. Picking a guy very early almost has to happen. It certainly wouldn't bother me if we went O-line two of the first three picks... Mayday Mayday  - Need help in the trenches.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:05 PM

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Football starts with a great QB behind a great OL.(trenches).

Slauson is gone because he's pissed @ the Jets for rotating him with Ducasse. He'll end up a Cowboy with his College & Pro Coach Callahan now in Dallas.

We are trapped with Ducasse because he cost us a 2nd round pick. He would have still been on the board going into the 5th round. Another REACH pick by the Jets.

Caleb Schlauderaff 6'4"/302 whom we acquired from the Packers can only play LG. Not C or RG. We should have kept Turner as our back-up OL spot. Plus he was a mean SOB.

Considering Ziggy or Mingo with the 9th pick scares me a little ? Chance Warmack G is the safest pick in the draft. I hate to pick a guard @ 9, but he won't last to 10 IMO.

My top 3 picks in order are:
9) Moore, Jones or Warmack. If all 3 are gone, trade back for an additional 2nd round pick.

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:36 PM

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Ducasse and Slauson both stink lol.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:36 PM

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metjetgal wrote: Ducasse and Slauson both stink lol.
and that aint no joke.  Upgrades wanted!!
Chance Warmack would change that.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:58 PM

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The numbers will tell the Jets Ducasse could play a guard spot. Jets won't draft a guard at 9 when they have questions at QB, RB, WR, and TE...and that just the offense. I'd rather have a veteran come in a fill a guard spot than have to count on a rookie 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:01 PM

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Wouldn't be shocked if the Jets resign Moore (who is more than servicable, IMO) and give Ducasse a shot; although, Jets likely draft 1 or 2 OGs later in the draft to develop (if Warford falls to rd 3 gotta take him).  Long, to me, is falling down draft boards because he can't play RT.  if he stayed at OG, he'd be a 2nd rd pick quality prospect.  I really like him as a mid rd steal as an OG prospect.  He just isn't a RT.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:10 PM

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Going to be interesting how our new GM handles the OL and elsewhere --- My observation is he is very thoughtful and much more patient then tannenbaum and will let the draft come to him (as opposed to all the wheeling and dealing of drafts picks by tannenbaum). Moreover, while rex will have input it will be no where near what he had under tannenbaum.........my hope is our new GM will take a "hold the fort" approach toward next year - as Parcells would call it - and not just tear everything down - such approach may mean bringing Moore back for one more year provided they think he has it in him and he's willing to do it..........

Digressing just a bit ........

I'd probably put Bell and Edwards in the "hold the fort category" AND give DeVito a 3 year deal WHILE rolling the dice and franchise Keller JUST MAYBE he'll get healthy & be very motivated knowing he needs a good year to get a long term lucrative deal -- and then do the rest through the draft.

Bye bye ---- Greene, Landry, Pace, Thomas, Scott, Slauson & Smith(both) ----- consign yourself another year with Sanchez absent a draft day gift that turns into a mega jackpot.(there's not going to be anything better then sanchez on the free agent market).....Revis: try to sign for very very tippy top NFL corner money now - if not, trade before draft
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