Lakerfan1980 wrote: No one does...we are just talking.

hobson54 wrote: in mcshay's first on-air mock draft (perhaps just a top 10 - it was a back-and-forth with mel kiper), he had geno smith going #7 to arizona.  said he didn't think he was a top 10 prospect, but figured someone would reach for a QB in the top 10.  he may have switched that QB who someone reaches for to glennon in his first full mock (online edition) and then flipped back to smith for mock 2.0.

scouts inc (on espn website, which is mcshay's company) has smith as the #23 ranked prospect.  i'm guessing he just figures someone will grab a QB in the top 10, so he picked one.

espn is in the entertainment business.  so they will do lots and lots of mocks because draft junkies like that.  obviously this more frequent mocking will lead to more changes as more information becomes available.

Jetman55 wrote:

hobson54 wrote: in mcshay's first on-air mock draft (perhaps just a top 10 - it was a back-and-forth with mel kiper), he had geno smith going #7 to arizona.  said he didn't think he was a top 10 prospect, but figured someone would reach for a QB in the top 10.  he may have switched that QB who someone reaches for to glennon in his first full mock (online edition) and then flipped back to smith for mock 2.0.

scouts inc (on espn website, which is mcshay's company) has smith as the #23 ranked prospect.  i'm guessing he just figures someone will grab a QB in the top 10, so he picked one.

espn is in the entertainment business.  so they will do lots and lots of mocks because draft junkies like that.  obviously this more frequent mocking will lead to more changes as more information becomes available.

I agree (and we talked to Cy about that I believe).  But he and Kiper jumped all over Glennon the week before the senior bowl and both said he's the #1 QB prospect and Geno wasn't even a first rd pick anymore.  ESPN had a big article about Glennon before his bowl game as the best QB in the draft class.

I do agree they keep making mocks so people will shift yup and down, but from top 10 to completely out of the rd 1 isn't just "more changes," that's rediculous.  Remember a guy like Ben Graham who shot up draft boards after the senior bowl, making a change like that makes sense. Ponder having a great senior bowl shooting up draft boards makes sense.  Taking a guy like Glennon, "predicting he'll have a great senior bowl" making him a top 10 pick, then actually watching him at the senior bowl and at practice and then saying, "we change our mind," makes me question how much they knew about Glennon before the senior bowl.

hobson54 wrote:

i think what we are seeing with the QBs is what many of us have said here...it is a weak QB class, at least in terms of top tier talent.  there is no luck or RGIII, or possibly any QB worthy of a top 10 pick.  but because we know some team(s) will reach for QBs, the guys doing the mocks are scrambling to figure out which of these mediocre QBs they should pencil into the top 10.  hence geno one week, glennon the next, and back to geno.

jgrote wrote:

hobson54 wrote:

i think what we are seeing with the QBs is what many of us have said here...it is a weak QB class, at least in terms of top tier talent.  there is no luck or RGIII, or possibly any QB worthy of a top 10 pick.  but because we know some team(s) will reach for QBs, the guys doing the mocks are scrambling to figure out which of these mediocre QBs they should pencil into the top 10.  hence geno one week, glennon the next, and back to geno.

We will also see a QB from this class who will turn out to be pretty darn good, either because of system/supporting cast or maturity.

hobson54 wrote:

jgrote wrote:

hobson54 wrote:

i think what we are seeing with the QBs is what many of us have said here...it is a weak QB class, at least in terms of top tier talent.  there is no luck or RGIII, or possibly any QB worthy of a top 10 pick.  but because we know some team(s) will reach for QBs, the guys doing the mocks are scrambling to figure out which of these mediocre QBs they should pencil into the top 10.  hence geno one week, glennon the next, and back to geno.

We will also see a QB from this class who will turn out to be pretty darn good, either because of system/supporting cast or maturity.

i didn't mean to say they will all suck as pros.  i'm sure one or two of them could turn out to be good or even great.  just that it doesn't seem to be a draft class where there are obvious top 10 (or top 5...or #1 overall) QBs.

there are plenty of good and even great QBs in the league who didn't go in the top 10, or even the 1st round.  i'm all in favor of grabbing a QB in this draft if the front office likes someone.  personally, i wouldn't take one with the #9 pick, and would strongly prefer not to trade up back into the end of the 1st to get one.  but i'm fine with them going for a QB starting with our 2nd round pick or later.

hobson54 wrote:

jgrote wrote:

hobson54 wrote:

i think what we are seeing with the QBs is what many of us have said here...it is a weak QB class, at least in terms of top tier talent.  there is no luck or RGIII, or possibly any QB worthy of a top 10 pick.  but because we know some team(s) will reach for QBs, the guys doing the mocks are scrambling to figure out which of these mediocre QBs they should pencil into the top 10.  hence geno one week, glennon the next, and back to geno.

We will also see a QB from this class who will turn out to be pretty darn good, either because of system/supporting cast or maturity.

i didn't mean to say they will all suck as pros.  i'm sure one or two of them could turn out to be good or even great.  just that it doesn't seem to be a draft class where there are obvious top 10 (or top 5...or #1 overall) QBs.

there are plenty of good and even great QBs in the league who didn't go in the top 10, or even the 1st round.  i'm all in favor of grabbing a QB in this draft if the front office likes someone.  personally, i wouldn't take one with the #9 pick, and would strongly prefer not to trade up back into the end of the 1st to get one.  but i'm fine with them going for a QB starting with our 2nd round pick or later.

Mock Schmock!  At this point tt's rediculous to comment on all the mocks.  The only thing we know for sure is that all the mockers hate the Jets.  That goes double for the media.  And for good measure, we must include the NFL league office, NFL referees and officials, the NFL Players association, the NBA, Congress and the NYPD.  I'm sure I left off many others, but the point is we know we are a model organization.

That said my mock/schmock is hoping for a trade of Revis to the Bucs for their first and third (and a fourth for next year) then:

1st: Milliner or surprise Banks, CB
1st: Ansah or Jones or Jordan, OLB; one of them will fall to #13 or Jenkins, DT

2nd: Fluker, Wagner or Cooper, OL

3rd: Warford, Brian Winters (he could really shoot 3's!), Barrett Jones, or David Quissenberry, OL

3rd: David Amerson, CB/S or Khaseem Greene, LB

4th: Cobi Hamilton, WR or Levine Toilolo, TE

Like everyone else I'm throwing crap against the wall for fun and giggles at this point.  First, I'm a Jets fan and that's pretty much all I have to do.  Second, it's fun!

All I know for sure is, we need to hit the lottery in this draft.  No more one starter and 1/2 backup out of seven rounds.  With all the holes we have, they need to find FOUR good starters.

arethafranklin wrote:

All I know for sure is, we need to hit the lottery in this draft.  No more one starter and 1/2 backup out of seven rounds.  With all the holes we have, they need to find FOUR good starters.

 

arethafranklin wrote:

Mock Schmock!  At this point tt's rediculous to comment on all the mocks.  The only thing we know for sure is that all the mockers hate the Jets.  That goes double for the media.  And for good measure, we must include the NFL league office, NFL referees and officials, the NFL Players association, the NBA, Congress and the NYPD.  I'm sure I left off many others, but the point is we know we are a model organization.

That said my mock/schmock is hoping for a trade of Revis to the Bucs for their first and third (and a fourth for next year) then:

1st: Milliner or surprise Banks, CB
1st: Ansah or Jones or Jordan, OLB; one of them will fall to #13 or Jenkins, DT

2nd: Fluker, Wagner or Cooper, OL

3rd: Warford, Brian Winters (he could really shoot 3's!), Barrett Jones, or David Quissenberry, OL

3rd: David Amerson, CB/S or Khaseem Greene, LB

4th: Cobi Hamilton, WR or Levine Toilolo, TE

Like everyone else I'm throwing crap against the wall for fun and giggles at this point.  First, I'm a Jets fan and that's pretty much all I have to do.  Second, it's fun!

All I know for sure is, we need to hit the lottery in this draft.  No more one starter and 1/2 backup out of seven rounds.  With all the holes we have, they need to find FOUR good starters.