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Mel Kiper Mock Top 10

Posted: 1/16/2013 11:36 AM

Mel Kiper Mock Top 10 


1) Chiefs - Luke Joekel LT
2) Jags - Damontre Moore OLB
3) Raiders - Star Lotulelei DT
4) Eagles - Dee Milliner CB
5) Lions - Jarvis Jones OLB
6) Browns - Bjoern Werner DE
7) Cardinals - Chance Warmack G
8) Bills - Manti Te'o MLB
9) Jets - Barkevious Mingo OLB
10) Titans - Dion Jordan OLB

For the life of me, I don't understand all the love for Mingo 6'5"/240 from LSU ? He had 5 sacks all season, while rotating. He is not even a 3 down LB. He was only 2nd team SEC LB. Someone please explain to me why all the love for Mingo and why he should be a top 10 Draft pick. When I watched this kid play, I think of Aaron Maybin. And why so many different draft mocks have Mingo going to the Jets @ 9 ?noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg

Last edited 1/16/2013 11:43 AM by cysporsche

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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:43 AM

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Simple: 6'5' 240 sub 4.6 speed. He played better as a Junior but at his size his was overwhelmed by double and triple teaming his Senior year. If he can show that he can play in space and shed blocks I would be thrilled to have him at #9. Let's see if he does well at the Combine-I hope they have him participating in LB drills. I think that is his best position in the NFL. He also need to add 10 pounds of muscle.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:44 AM

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I never watch college ball so I don't know anything, but I'm hoping it is not an OLB and we find a difference maker on offense, but from what I gather it doesn't exist or would be considered a reach.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:47 AM

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I don't watch to much college ball, but a friend was telling me that alot of guts from LSU underachieve? Give me someone for the Oline please.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:52 AM

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cysporsche wrote: 1) Chiefs - Luke Joekel LT
2) Jags - Damontre Moore OLB
3) Raiders - Star Lotulelei DT
4) Eagles - Dee Milliner CB
5) Lions - Jarvis Jones OLB
6) Browns - Bjoern Werner DE
7) Cardinals - Chance Warmack G
8) Bills - Manti Te'o MLB
9) Jets - Barkevious Mingo OLB
10) Titans - Dion Jordan OLB

For the life of me, I don't understand all the love for Mingo 6'5"/240 from LSU ? He had 5 sacks all season, while rotating. He is not even a 3 down LB. He was only 2nd team SEC LB. Someone please explain to me why all the love for Mingo and why he should be a top 10 Draft pick. When I watched this kid play, I think of Aaron Maybin. And why so many different draft mocks have Mingo going to the Jets @ 9 ?noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg

Report from Rob Rang CBS:

"While Mingo might be a bit raw considering he's only started five collegiate games, he is perfectly built for today's frenzied pass rush. He is a long-armed, explosive athlete who plays with surprising power despite his lack of ideal weight.

While a bit inconsistent at the snap, when he times it right Mingo can explode off the ball past the tackle, using a good shoulder dip and surprisingly powerful hands to rip through contact and take the corner.

What is exciting about Mingo is that he's not just a physical freak but a surprisingly instinctive, technically refined football player. Mingo's use of his arms and hands belie his experience. He uses them well to keep distance between himself and the tackle and has a natural feel for pass rushing, showing good lateral agility, flexibility and creativity with his fakes to get the bigger man leaning. He has a very good spin move that he likes to use against interior offensive linemen when stunting back inside. He locates the ball quickly, shows good vision and balance to get to the action and closes with a pop.

Mingo may lack the size of a traditional 4-3 defensive end but with teams becoming increasingly interested in hybrid defenders who can play multiple roles, his weight isn't likely to be a problem. The NFL loves pass rushers and therefore they'll love Mingo. He just might be the best pass rusher in the country and checks in at No. 3 on my Big Board."

Last edited 1/16/2013 11:53 AM by jgrote

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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:53 AM

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I think Bingo is awesome. I'd take him over Jarvis Jones and Manti Teo any day of the week.
ROLL TIDE!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:05 PM

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Sarge, If Jarvis Jones was from Alabama, he would be # 1 on your board.

Plus JGrote post above about Mingo, is the identical bio I read about Aaron Maybin, and we all know how that turned out.

Based on Jones, Warmack & Star all being picked before us, I believe I would trade back for an additional 2nd round pick. I'm not excited about this years class.noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:17 PM

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not a single offensive player in the first 10 other than one guard, and one tackle. this will prob change
TANAKA!!!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:32 PM

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I think all this will change after the Senior Bowl and combine.  But we are probably drafting in no man's land.  The Jets might want to move back to pick up extra picks if they can.  They have so many holes, that they need the extra picks.  I think they need to come away with 3 starters in this draft at a minimum and probably 4.

Last edited 1/16/2013 12:33 PM by LIJETFAN

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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:36 PM

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If I was the GM.....

This is supposed to be OT heavy class....so I would be looking for a heavy OT in first round.

Second, if a FS drops who has 1st round talent........

Third LB who can chase TEs.....can't have enough of those......

Fourth, Fifth, Sixth.......DRAFT MULTIPLE TEs....lots of teams find great TEs in middle rounds....do not over pay or even pay our own FA.....he sucks....is not worth it....can't get open....no big plays.....

.....finally another WR......POSESSION GUY......we got the home run hitter in Hill.....we need a guy who can act like SLASH......


If I was GM.....in couple of years I would win SB....go ahead laugh....
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:41 PM

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cysporsche wrote: Sarge, If Jarvis Jones was from Alabama, he would be # 1 on your board.

Plus JGrote post above about Mingo, is the identical bio I read about Aaron Maybin, and we all know how that turned out.

Based on Jones, Warmack & Star all being picked before us, I believe I would trade back for an additional 2nd round pick. I'm not excited about this years class.noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg
Penn State grad here - Maybin was 225lbs in college, Mingo is 240lbs.  They aren't the same other than speed pass rushers...you could compare him to John Abraham and Dwight Freeney too if you wanted.

For the record, JPP didn't get double digit sacks his final year of college (and he played against scrubs in college)...he turned out okay.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:43 PM

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Sarge4tide wrote: I think Bingo is awesome. I'd take him over Jarvis Jones and Manti Teo any day of the week.

Sorry, I like Jones, but Mingo is about tied with him, IMO.  Jones has 26 sacks in the last 2 seasons.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:46 PM

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What will be interesting is when we name a GM and OC, how all of the mocks will probably change. This guy came from this team and they draft QBs in 1st, or that guy the trenches (OL/DL), etc.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 2:08 PM

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Well, neither Mingo or Jones went to Alabama so why would I pick one or the other?  I actually went to grad school at the University of Georgia, so if I was biased, I would pick Jones.  I've seen both play a lot, saw both play against Alabama, and Mingo is better in my opinion.

cysporsche wrote: Sarge, If Jarvis Jones was from Alabama, he would be # 1 on your board.

Plus JGrote post above about Mingo, is the identical bio I read about Aaron Maybin, and we all know how that turned out.

Based on Jones, Warmack & Star all being picked before us, I believe I would trade back for an additional 2nd round pick. I'm not excited about this years class.noidea

Go Jets...Cyborg
ROLL TIDE!

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:27 PM

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Yeah just got your years mixed up...he still had a year of eligibility so this year was technically his junior year and he played well as a sophomore...they also used him a lot more in a contain role so he wasn't always rushing the passer...he has the highest ceiling but the lowest floor, could be boom/bust type prospect
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Simple: 6'5' 240 sub 4.6 speed. He played better as a Junior but at his size his was overwhelmed by double and triple teaming his Senior year. If he can show that he can play in space and shed blocks I would be thrilled to have him at #9. Let's see if he does well at the Combine-I hope they have him participating in LB drills. I think that is his best position in the NFL. He also need to add 10 pounds of muscle.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:28 PM

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Jetman55 wrote:
Sarge4tide wrote: I think Bingo is awesome. I'd take him over Jarvis Jones and Manti Teo any day of the week.

Sorry, I like Jones, but Mingo is about tied with him, IMO.  Jones has 26 sacks in the last 2 seasons.
Mingo had 8 sacks his junior year and 5 this year, that's half of what Jarvis Jones has in two seasons. Why ?noideaPlus Jones is a much better in pass coverage.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:36 PM

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cysporsche wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:
Sarge4tide wrote: I think Bingo is awesome. I'd take him over Jarvis Jones and Manti Teo any day of the week.

Sorry, I like Jones, but Mingo is about tied with him, IMO.  Jones has 26 sacks in the last 2 seasons.
Mingo had 8 sacks his junior year and 5 this year, that's half of what Jarvis Jones has in two seasons. Why ?noideaPlus Jones is a much better in pass coverage.

Go Jets...Cyborg
Exactly. I've watched them both play quite a bit and to me, Mingo looks like Maybin version 2.0, except with less college production than Maybin. If you like Maybin's game, you'll love this guy. However, Mingo is more instinctive, and probably better against the run than Maybin. I think jones has the potential to be more of a JPP type player.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:37 PM

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Also that Prisco report is before this past season so he has started more than 5 games for those wondering...and idk why everyone loves Jarvis Jones, the spinal stenosis that led USC to recommend he retire before he transferred to Georgia is the scariest red flag I've heard so far in this draft...more likely that any neck or back injury will end his career...

@SameOleJetsFan...people may have said the OT class was heavy but that's either in terms of their entire draft (because it's certainly not top heavy) or it was before Taylor Lewan and Jake Matthews announced they were going back to school who were both probably top 15 picks...so now you have Joeckel and guy who was rated the 4th best OT before those people returned to school Eric Fisher...granted, Joeckel is a lock for top 5 and Fisher can go as high as 7 it looks like at this point and Lane Johnson may end up being a top 20 prospect but the issue is these people are left tackles, which we do not need...frankly, we don't even need a RT as Austin Howard performed well this year, I think everyone is mistaking Sanchez being terrible for our OL being bad...he was perceiving pressure that wasn't even there most of the time or holding onto the ball too long leading to sacks, Pro Football Focus graded our entire OL in the top half of the league and we were ranked top 10 in run blocking as a unit....every single starter on our OL came out with a positive grade including our RT Howard who had a +8.5...really we need help at OG, so if you say take Warmack at #9 then ill listen, but I don't think we need to take an OT in the top 10, and I'd prefer to take an OG in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:38 PM

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cysporsche wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:
Sarge4tide wrote: I think Bingo is awesome. I'd take him over Jarvis Jones and Manti Teo any day of the week.

Sorry, I like Jones, but Mingo is about tied with him, IMO.  Jones has 26 sacks in the last 2 seasons.
Mingo had 8 sacks his junior year and 5 this year, that's half of what Jarvis Jones has in two seasons. Why ?noideaPlus Jones is a much better in pass coverage.

Go Jets...Cyborg
Exactly. I've watched them both play quite a bit and to me, Mingo looks like Maybin version 2.0, except with less college production than Maybin. If you like Maybin's game, you'll love this guy. However, Mingo is more instinctive, and probably better against the run than Maybin. I think jones has the potential to be more of a JPP type player.

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So he is a complete player unlike Maybin...so how does that make him Maybin 2.0?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:42 PM

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And Jones was put in a position to succeed and is a 1 trick Pony...he is essentially Bruce Irvin...plus Jones got to play a position he excels at which is 3-4 OLB with a massive 1st round NT occupying blockers for him...Mingo was completed out of position playing DE and sometimes standing up but mostly being used to contain outside runs or scrambling QBs...so while I admit Mingo has plenty of bust potential I think it's worth looking into things like that before just assuming he's Maybin, because I have thought that at times as well but changed my mind when hearing he wasn't always used to rush the passer every play like Jones
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