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The Biggest Jet's Disappointment. . .

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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:36 PM

The Biggest Jet's Disappointment. . . 


I'm about as sick as anybody about how things have turned out. But what's bothering most is how the promise of 2009 has evaporated.
-A new brash coach
-A young stud QB
-A beast RB in Jones
-A defense that played like animals
-A surprise playoff appearance
-Two road wins

This is best captured for me at the end of the Chargers playoff game in 09. At the end of game Sanchez runs up to Rex and they both point to their hearts. It's at about 4:13 in the video link below. It was just an awesome moment. Then to repeat in 2010 and beat the Pats at home was surreal. I really believe one more possession in the Steeler game and we are in the SB.

In any case, what bothers me most is that I thought we had something special going here. It was great story and I really believed we were on the road to being a great team for a long time to come. Sanchez flaming out is really disappointing as is letting the team become a national joke. Just sucks compared to where we were headed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVRtrcDiqA

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Posted: 12/21/2012 4:23 PM

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almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 4:41 PM

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That Jet video is sadder than It's a Wonderful Life ! When Sanchez is given the Captains fire hat, from Fireman Ed, now both will be gone is sad to this Jet fan !

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 12/21/2012 4:55 PM

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Seaver wrote: almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
I think this is the biggest key.  Every young QB needs a good supporting cast around him.  In '09 and '10 Mark had that formula.
2011 came along and the O-line took a turn for the worst.  His weapons at WR were completley turned inside out.
Instead of building upon the great things to come, the Jet organizations just squandered on what could have been.
2012 was the culmination of what happens to a team when absolutely nothin is invested on the offensive side of the ball in the off season.
Confidence of a young QB will turn to crap when he is surrounded by "C" average at best WR core.
The best pick up this season-on or off was the acquisition of Braylon Edwards.
Mark has been deemed a bust by many accounts, but imho, it goes farther than that folks.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:05 PM

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nyjetsdan16 wrote:
Seaver wrote: almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
I think this is the biggest key.  Every young QB needs a good supporting cast around him.  In '09 and '10 Mark had that formula.
2011 came along and the O-line took a turn for the worst.  His weapons at WR were completley turned inside out.
Instead of building upon the great things to come, the Jet organizations just squandered on what could have been.
2012 was the culmination of what happens to a team when absolutely nothin is invested on the offensive side of the ball in the off season.
Confidence of a young QB will turn to crap when he is surrounded by "C" average at best WR core.
The best pick up this season-on or off was the acquisition of Braylon Edwards.
Mark has been deemed a bust by many accounts, but imho, it goes farther than that folks.
I don't agree with this.  RG3 has a pathetic offensive line (they need 3-4 new starters on the o-line, i.e. replace everyone not named Trent Williams), his #1 WR has 34 receptions (the great Pierre Garcon), his other WRs (Moss, Hanketon, and Morgan) are all extremely inconsistent and wouldn't even make a lot of teams (Moss is on his last legs) and his TE Paulsen was the #3 TE on the depth chart when the season started.  Add his defense is ranked #29.

Andrew Luck has ZERO run game (RG3 has that...from their undrafted rookie RB Alfred Morris), Reggie Wayne and a bunch of kids at WR/TE (all rookies or 2nd year players like him), and the #21 ranked defense.  He seems to be doing okay.

Now, if you want to say Russell Wilson and his #3 D and #3 rushing attack with Tate, Rice, and Baldwin at WR is helping him...along with a VERY solid o-line is helping him.  Yes, it helped him through some rough patches mid season.  But now, he is his own monster that doesn't need their help and is making those around him better.  The training wheels are off that bike.

Sanchez would have to keep the training wheels on the bike no matter who was around him.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:14 PM

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Biggest disappointment is that we have to start over again (New QB, possibly new HC and GM). Just thinking about here we go again and am I ever going to see another championship. 44 years is way to long to be waiting..

BTW - Mark may of had better players around him in '09 and '10 but the running game and defense were the reasons we went anywhere. Mark has NEVER played consistently well..
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Posted: 12/21/2012 6:08 PM

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My biggest dissapointment is not keeping the leaders of this team intact.
Jones-faneca-T-rich-D.Woody-Edwards-B.Smith.

Now we're hearing some fans want to trade Revis or even Cromartie to free up some cap space?  Screw that Let's make a couple of offensive splashes and build through the draft.
Hell, if this team ends up at 8-8 then we're a couple of pieces away from returning to the '09-'10 winning style.
An upgrade at QB is needed with out a doubt.  Hence a true well established O.C would help immensely.  I strongly advocate going hard after Norv Turner.  The guy, such as Wade Phillips sucks at head coaching a squad, but when he can only focus on one side of the ball, he's one of the best in pro football.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 6:51 PM

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nyjetsdan16 wrote: My biggest dissapointment is not keeping the leaders of this team intact.
Jones-faneca-T-rich-D.Woody-Edwards-B.Smith.

Now we're hearing some fans want to trade Revis or even Cromartie to free up some cap space?  Screw that Let's make a couple of offensive splashes and build through the draft.
Hell, if this team ends up at 8-8 then we're a couple of pieces away from returning to the '09-'10 winning style.
An upgrade at QB is needed with out a doubt.  Hence a true well established O.C would help immensely.  I strongly advocate going hard after Norv Turner.  The guy, such as Wade Phillips sucks at head coaching a squad, but when he can only focus on one side of the ball, he's one of the best in pro football.
In fairness to the team's decisions Dan, Faneca was done. He played one more year in Arizona(and I believe he got that job because of his friendship with Russ Grimm) and was horrid in pass protection like he was here in 2009,Jones was banged up after 2009 and wasn't the same after he left, T-Rich retired, Woody was coming off major surgery+the lockout+ IMO lack of motivation to rehab(if you see him on espn now, he looks well over 400lbs), Edwards was coming off surgery and looks like a shell of his former self + he wanted $9 mil per season, and Smith wanted $4 mil to return kicks which McKnight has replaced him in that role & Kerely easily replaced him at wr(Smith with the Bills is so/so at KR and a nonfactor as a wr). In a salary cap league, it's hard to keep guys around just because they're "good guys" yet their play doesn't justify their salary/roster spot.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 7:00 PM

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I couldn't agree more with this assessment.  I would also add I had hoped that rex would be a better HC after 4 years...  and I have been one critizing him for awhile but I am starting to think we should retain him, fire OC and staff... and of course move tanny back to be a contract admin not that I think his drafts have been bad because they really haven't (young takent is good) IMHO , I just think we should have a football man in charge, not a bean counter - no offense yo any bean counter out there reading this. .
Jetman55 wrote:
nyjetsdan16 wrote:
Seaver wrote: almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
I think this is the biggest key.  Every young QB needs a good supporting cast around him.  In '09 and '10 Mark had that formula.
2011 came along and the O-line took a turn for the worst.  His weapons at WR were completley turned inside out.
Instead of building upon the great things to come, the Jet organizations just squandered on what could have been.
2012 was the culmination of what happens to a team when absolutely nothin is invested on the offensive side of the ball in the off season.
Confidence of a young QB will turn to crap when he is surrounded by "C" average at best WR core.
The best pick up this season-on or off was the acquisition of Braylon Edwards.
Mark has been deemed a bust by many accounts, but imho, it goes farther than that folks.
I don't agree with this.  RG3 has a pathetic offensive line (they need 3-4 new starters on the o-line, i.e. replace everyone not named Trent Williams), his #1 WR has 34 receptions (the great Pierre Garcon), his other WRs (Moss, Hanketon, and Morgan) are all extremely inconsistent and wouldn't even make a lot of teams (Moss is on his last legs) and his TE Paulsen was the #3 TE on the depth chart when the season started.  Add his defense is ranked #29.

Andrew Luck has ZERO run game (RG3 has that...from their undrafted rookie RB Alfred Morris), Reggie Wayne and a bunch of kids at WR/TE (all rookies or 2nd year players like him), and the #21 ranked defense.  He seems to be doing okay.

Now, if you want to say Russell Wilson and his #3 D and #3 rushing attack with Tate, Rice, and Baldwin at WR is helping him...along with a VERY solid o-line is helping him.  Yes, it helped him through some rough patches mid season.  But now, he is his own monster that doesn't need their help and is making those around him better.  The training wheels are off that bike.

Sanchez would have to keep the training wheels on the bike no matter who was around him.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:32 PM

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i agree that Faneca, Woody, Jones, Smith, etc. had to go. Not one of them has done anything since leaving.  In particular, I remember reading many posts about Jones' lack of explosiveness, the same complaints everyone now makes about Shonn Green.  The problem is that Tanny's replacements have been abysmal.  No one would be complaining about Woody being gone if Wayne Hunter hadn't been such a stiff, and so on, ad nauseum. 

In addition, Tanny has too frequently given extensions to the wrong players.  There is a tremendous arrogance, for example, to giving an extension to Santonio Holmes, who was let go for a 5th round pick by a far superior organization.

Then factor in the constant loss of draft picks caused by trading up to get "bell cows" like Green and you have a recipe for disaster.

As an aside, why does Matt Cavanaugh get so little criticism on this board?  Although Sanchez deserves the blame that he receives, his position coach has failed him, plain and simple.  If a promising pupil (Was anyone calling Sanchez a stiff after the 2009 season?) keeps failing tests, the teacher bears some responsibility as well.

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Posted: 12/22/2012 7:06 AM

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nyjetsdan16 wrote:
Seaver wrote: almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
I think this is the biggest key.  Every young QB needs a good supporting cast around him.  In '09 and '10 Mark had that formula.
2011 came along and the O-line took a turn for the worst.  His weapons at WR were completley turned inside out.
Instead of building upon the great things to come, the Jet organizations just squandered on what could have been.
2012 was the culmination of what happens to a team when absolutely nothin is invested on the offensive side of the ball in the off season.
Confidence of a young QB will turn to crap when he is surrounded by "C" average at best WR core.
The best pick up this season-on or off was the acquisition of Braylon Edwards.
Mark has been deemed a bust by many accounts, but imho, it goes farther than that folks.
Totally correct. Sanchez is surrounded by NO good skill position players. Strictly average RBs, WRs, and a pedestrian O-Line. Having said that, his decision making and accuracy has regressed markedly.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 7:35 AM

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nyjetsdan16 wrote:
Seaver wrote: almost as disappointing as Sanchez flatlining is the GM's inability to keep the roster deep enough to maintain the winning.
I think this is the biggest key.  Every young QB needs a good supporting cast around him.  In '09 and '10 Mark had that formula.
2011 came along and the O-line took a turn for the worst.  His weapons at WR were completley turned inside out.
Instead of building upon the great things to come, the Jet organizations just squandered on what could have been.
2012 was the culmination of what happens to a team when absolutely nothin is invested on the offensive side of the ball in the off season.
Confidence of a young QB will turn to crap when he is surrounded by "C" average at best WR core.
The best pick up this season-on or off was the acquisition of Braylon Edwards.
Mark has been deemed a bust by many accounts, but imho, it goes farther than that folks.
I don't agree with this.  RG3 has a pathetic offensive line (they need 3-4 new starters on the o-line, i.e. replace everyone not named Trent Williams), his #1 WR has 34 receptions (the great Pierre Garcon), his other WRs (Moss, Hanketon, and Morgan) are all extremely inconsistent and wouldn't even make a lot of teams (Moss is on his last legs) and his TE Paulsen was the #3 TE on the depth chart when the season started.  Add his defense is ranked #29.

Andrew Luck has ZERO run game (RG3 has that...from their undrafted rookie RB Alfred Morris), Reggie Wayne and a bunch of kids at WR/TE (all rookies or 2nd year players like him), and the #21 ranked defense.  He seems to be doing okay.

Now, if you want to say Russell Wilson and his #3 D and #3 rushing attack with Tate, Rice, and Baldwin at WR is helping him...along with a VERY solid o-line is helping him.  Yes, it helped him through some rough patches mid season.  But now, he is his own monster that doesn't need their help and is making those around him better.  The training wheels are off that bike.

Sanchez would have to keep the training wheels on the bike no matter who was around him.

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Istill say the great Garçon is better and more proven than anything we had here. Tell me how he isn't. 34 catches in an injury-filled season is more than Hill, Schillins, Gates, Gillyard. Moss is on his last legs but that still more than Schillins, Gates, Gillyard has ever shown, including this season.

Do you think the Redskins would swap Garçon/Moss for Schillins/Gates? I don't.

Luck does have Wayne, and that's better than Sanchez ever had.

But you are correct, Sanchez has sucked and isn't nearly good enough to make the guys around him better. Who is?
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Posted: 12/22/2012 8:27 AM

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Lakerfan1980 wrote:


But you are correct, Sanchez has sucked and isn't nearly good enough to make the guys around him better. Who is?
To answer this question, who would have got more out of what's around him?

Brady
Breese
Rodgers
P. Manning
Big Ben
Eli Manning
Ryan
Shaub
Rivers
Freeman
Cam
Cutler
Dalton
RG3
Luck
Russell Wilson
Tony Romo

I am saying, and you can disagree all you want, over 1/2 of the NFL QBs would have us in the play-offs this year with that group of WRs.  Sanchez lost the Texans, 1st Pats game, and Titans games (not single handedly, but almost by himself...even marginal QB play wins those games)...with over half the QBs in the NFL we'd be at least 9-5 right now.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 2:13 PM

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Jetman55 wrote:
Lakerfan1980 wrote:


But you are correct, Sanchez has sucked and isn't nearly good enough to make the guys around him better. Who is?
To answer this question, who would have got more out of what's around him?

Brady
Breese
Rodgers
P. Manning
Big Ben
Eli Manning
Ryan
Shaub
Rivers
Freeman
Cam
Cutler
Dalton
RG3
Luck
Russell Wilson
Tony Romo

I am saying, and you can disagree all you want, over 1/2 of the NFL QBs would have us in the play-offs this year with that group of WRs.  Sanchez lost the Texans, 1st Pats game, and Titans games (not single handedly, but almost by himself...even marginal QB play wins those games)...with over half the QBs in the NFL we'd be at least 9-5 right now.
Take Freeman and Wilson off that list. Freeman is as inaccurate as Sanchez and makes some poor decisions but has Doug Martin Keeping the safeties honest and a true #1 in Vincent jackosn. He would be as bad as MArk here.  Wilson I love but he has a better Oline a better RB similar receiving corps. More accurate and better than Sanchez but without that OLine and Marshawn Lynch the Seahawks would be 5-9 or 6-8 themselves.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 3:27 PM

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Freeman's 25/12 TD/INT year says that Mark 13/17 Sanchez is a lot worse than just not having V Jackson and D Martin. Sanchez is not in Freeman's class by a longshot.

Rookie 25/9 Wilson is having a season Sanchez can only dream about. Sanchez' OL isn't so awful, and the biggest difference between Seattle and NYJ in rushing yards is Wilson's rushing yards.

So many excuses for Sanchez. If the OL gave him this kind of protection, he'd never get sacked. He'd still throw a ton of picks though, because he would still lock onto his receivers and then miss them anyway.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 5:05 PM

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vinluvr wrote: Freeman's 25/12 TD/INT year says that Mark 13/17 Sanchez is a lot worse than just not having V Jackson and D Martin. Sanchez is not in Freeman's class by a longshot.

Rookie 25/9 Wilson is having a season Sanchez can only dream about. Sanchez' OL isn't so awful, and the biggest difference between Seattle and NYJ in rushing yards is Wilson's rushing yards.

So many excuses for Sanchez. If the OL gave him this kind of protection, he'd never get sacked. He'd still throw a ton of picks though, because he would still lock onto his receivers and then miss them anyway.
Look at Freeman comp % and I guarantee you this if Sanchez had Doug Martin running the ball and a true #1 WR his numbers would be similar.  Defenses dont respect our run game because no one is gonna bust the 80 yd TD run on them.  Defenses dont respect our WR corp because we have no legit #1.   If Freeman is so good why are the Bucs 6-8 as well. I am NOT making excuses for Snachez I just feel they are the same.  The difference is one plays in the biggest city, media market in the world and gets bashed for his ineptitude and the other plays in an obscure city. One has a better running game and a real #1.  Freeman would be as bad as Sanchez if he was a Jet.. Our OL is terrible in pass protection. Sanchez has significantly less time then most other QB's including Wilson.  Now again no excuse Sanchez sucks and I love WILSON I'm just saying he wouldn't have faired as well here as he has in Seattle.


Let me repeat SANCHEZ SUCKS NO EXCUSES FOR HIM. My point is those 2 QB's wouldn't have in the playoffs this year.  Freeman never.. Wilson I would take in heartbeat cause over the long term he is a keeper.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 5:52 PM

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Completion pct is a fairly meaningless stat in and of itself. let's put it in a broader context:

Stat   Sanchez Wilson Freeman

TD        13         25        25
INT       17          9        13
Comp% 54.8    62.9    54.8
YPA       6.4       7.6      7.4
TD%     3.1       5.9      5.3
INT%    4.1       2.5      2.6

The numbers show that, aside from completion percentage, Freeman is a lot closer to Wilson than he is to Sanchez. Aside from Jackson, who is Freeman throwing to? Mike Williams and a Dallas Clark that is a shell of his former self. What about the Tampa OL? How many pro bowlers there? (I looked it up. Their LT has been once. That's it.)

I think the assertion that Freeman wouldn't have done any better with this year's Jets team than Sanchez, which a lot like saying you don't think Freeman is any better than Sanchez, is a difficult one to prove. While they each play on different teams, I think I've seen enough of all three players to believe that neither Wilson or Freeman would have effed up the games Sanchez effed up, and as a consequence, we would be in the playoffs. In fact, we might have done fairly well this year, and would be talking up the receivers group as underrated.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 5:58 PM

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vinluvr wrote: Completion pct is a fairly meaningless stat in and of itself. let's put it in a broader context:

Stat   Sanchez Wilson Freeman

TD        13         25        25
INT       17          9        13
Comp% 54.8    62.9    54.8
YPA       6.4       7.6      7.4
TD%     3.1       5.9      5.3
INT%    4.1       2.5      2.6

The numbers show that, aside from completion percentage, Freeman is a lot closer to Wilson than he is to Sanchez. Aside from Jackson, who is Freeman throwing to? Mike Williams and a Dallas Clark that is a shell of his former self. What about the Tampa OL? How many pro bowlers there? (I looked it up. Their LT has been once. That's it.)

I think the assertion that Freeman wouldn't have done any better with this year's Jets team than Sanchez, which a lot like saying you don't think Freeman is any better than Sanchez, is a difficult one to prove. While they each play on different teams, I think I've seen enough of all three players to believe that neither Wilson or Freeman would have effed up the games Sanchez effed up, and as a consequence, we would be in the playoffs. In fact, we might have done fairly well this year, and would be talking up the receivers group as underrated.
Vin........... so deep down you do like Tannenbaum poke.gif.            Kidding tongue.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 6:09 PM

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football51 wrote:
vinluvr wrote: Completion pct is a fairly meaningless stat in and of itself. let's put it in a broader context:

Stat   Sanchez Wilson Freeman

TD        13         25        25
INT       17          9        13
Comp% 54.8    62.9    54.8
YPA       6.4       7.6      7.4
TD%     3.1       5.9      5.3
INT%    4.1       2.5      2.6

The numbers show that, aside from completion percentage, Freeman is a lot closer to Wilson than he is to Sanchez. Aside from Jackson, who is Freeman throwing to? Mike Williams and a Dallas Clark that is a shell of his former self. What about the Tampa OL? How many pro bowlers there? (I looked it up. Their LT has been once. That's it.)

I think the assertion that Freeman wouldn't have done any better with this year's Jets team than Sanchez, which a lot like saying you don't think Freeman is any better than Sanchez, is a difficult one to prove. While they each play on different teams, I think I've seen enough of all three players to believe that neither Wilson or Freeman would have effed up the games Sanchez effed up, and as a consequence, we would be in the playoffs. In fact, we might have done fairly well this year, and would be talking up the receivers group as underrated.
Vin........... so deep down you do like Tannenbaum poke.gif.            Kidding tongue.
LOL, I realized as I was typing this that you would find a way to thank me for proving your case in the other thread. I don't really hate Tannenbaum, and I do concede he has made some good moves, and I will also concede some of the moves I critique him for now are ones I supported at the time.

I just expect a GM to have access to scouting reports and first-hand evaluations that as a fan I do not. I supported the Sanchez trade-up because I took on faith the fact they'd done their homework on him. That's implicit as a fan--you acknowledge your lack of access to the kind of information on which these decisions are often made.

The fact is, Tanny can't be expected to have an eye for football talent--he was never trained to have one. The guy was a finance major in college and has worked on the finance side of things all his career before being elevated to GM, no? So he lacked the basic qualifications for the job, and Woody hired him on Parcells' rec, right? That's how I remember it. I would love to see MT gracefully take a small step back to some kind of co-GM/cap guy role. I don't want Bill Polian or anyone else who no longer has the fire in his belly. I have no idea who that person would be.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 6:20 PM

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vinluvr wrote:
football51 wrote:
vinluvr wrote: Completion pct is a fairly meaningless stat in and of itself. let's put it in a broader context:

Stat   Sanchez Wilson Freeman

TD        13         25        25
INT       17          9        13
Comp% 54.8    62.9    54.8
YPA       6.4       7.6      7.4
TD%     3.1       5.9      5.3
INT%    4.1       2.5      2.6

The numbers show that, aside from completion percentage, Freeman is a lot closer to Wilson than he is to Sanchez. Aside from Jackson, who is Freeman throwing to? Mike Williams and a Dallas Clark that is a shell of his former self. What about the Tampa OL? How many pro bowlers there? (I looked it up. Their LT has been once. That's it.)

I think the assertion that Freeman wouldn't have done any better with this year's Jets team than Sanchez, which a lot like saying you don't think Freeman is any better than Sanchez, is a difficult one to prove. While they each play on different teams, I think I've seen enough of all three players to believe that neither Wilson or Freeman would have effed up the games Sanchez effed up, and as a consequence, we would be in the playoffs. In fact, we might have done fairly well this year, and would be talking up the receivers group as underrated.
Vin........... so deep down you do like Tannenbaum poke.gif.            Kidding tongue.
LOL, I realized as I was typing this that you would find a way to thank me for proving your case in the other thread. I don't really hate Tannenbaum, and I do concede he has made some good moves, and I will also concede some of the moves I critique him for now are ones I supported at the time.

I just expect a GM to have access to scouting reports and first-hand evaluations that as a fan I do not. I supported the Sanchez trade-up because I took on faith the fact they'd done their homework on him. That's implicit as a fan--you acknowledge your lack of access to the kind of information on which these decisions are often made.

The fact is, Tanny can't be expected to have an eye for football talent--he was never trained to have one. The guy was a finance major in college and has worked on the finance side of things all his career before being elevated to GM, no? So he lacked the basic qualifications for the job, and Woody hired him on Parcells' rec, right? That's how I remember it. I would love to see MT gracefully take a small step back to some kind of co-GM/cap guy role. I don't want Bill Polian or anyone else who no longer has the fire in his belly. I have no idea who that person would be.
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