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Posted: 12/17/2012 3:16 PM

Mark Sanchez's weapons at wide receiver..not that bad. 


I think our receiving core with the addition of Braylon Edwards can only help solidify this unit.
If Edwards can become a fraction of what he was when he was here then it will open up opportunities for the other WR's as well.
IMHO, Mardy Gilyard has a skill set that we've lacked here for a while.  This kid has enormous elusiveness when given the chance in open space.  I think we might have struck gold with this player.
Clyde Gates can be a special wide out as well. He has blazing speed that hopefully can be utilized in the coming weeks.  He has caught on as Marks go to guys before his was concussed vs the Pats.
Jeremy Kerely has absolutely broken out this year filling in for Santonio Holmes with 728 recieving yards thus far.  Granted IMHO, he's a slot player and not an edge receiver, he's done the most with his opportunity.  I think his stats will grow now that Braylon might, i say might command some more attention.
Stephen Hill is a youngster that has insane ability that hasn't been tapped yet.  There have been flashes and spurts, but this kid is as raw as they come.  He has size-speed that many teams dream of their QB having as a target.  His hands have been a growing frustration.  Though in my humble opinion this is where having Braylon may help turn this kid around the right corner. 
Braylon had the case of the dropsies like no other when he was in Cleveland.  He conquered that weakness when he came to the Jets.  Hopefully Stephen can heed #17's advice so that he may take that next step this franchise expects him to take.

*The pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.*

Last edited 12/17/2012 3:18 PM by nyjetsdan16

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Posted: 12/17/2012 3:42 PM

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I think our receiving core with the addition of Braylon Edwards can only help solidify this unit.
If Edwards can become a fraction of what he was when he was here then it will open up opportunities for the other WR's as well.
IMHO, Mardy Gilyard has a skill set that we've lacked here for a while.  This kid has enormous elusiveness when given the chance in open space.  I think we might have struck gold with this player.
Clyde Gates can be a special wide out as well. He has blazing speed that hopefully can be utilized in the coming weeks.  He has caught on as Marks go to guys before his was concussed vs the Pats.
Jeremy Kerely has absolutely broken out this year filling in for Santonio Holmes with 728 recieving yards thus far.  Granted IMHO, he's a slot player and not an edge receiver, he's done the most with his opportunity.  I think his stats will grow now that Braylon might, i say might command some more attention.
Stephen Hill is a youngster that has insane ability that hasn't been tapped yet.  There have been flashes and spurts, but this kid is as raw as they come.  He has size-speed that many teams dream of their QB having as a target.  His hands have been a growing frustration.  Though in my humble opinion this is where having Braylon may help turn this kid around the right corner. 
Braylon had the case of the dropsies like no other when he was in Cleveland.  He conquered that weakness when he came to the Jets.  Hopefully Stephen can heed #17's advice so that he may take that next step this franchise expects him to take.

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Uh-oh, Lakersfan is gonna think i hacked your log-in. I have been saying for weeks I like our wr core. Not Gilyard as much as you (though I think we r lucky to have found him), but Holmes, Kerley, Hill, and Gates REALLY excite me. I think Gates has every chance to be a Pierre Garcon. I really do. The kid can't be covered and hasn't dropped too many balls (Garcon's 2nd year struggled with drops after a solid rookie year). I really like our wr group too.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:31 PM

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If we had this group of receivers (+ a healthy Keller) A.)with the experience they have now B.) the Schedule we have for second 1/2 of the season first with the first 1/2 second...

we'd be talking about a very good Jet's record heading into a stretch of bigtime match-ups.

These receivers are pretty good...totally agree on Gates & Gilyard. Those two are speedsters we usually don't have. They look like big play threats.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 5:37 PM

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I think our receiving core with the addition of Braylon Edwards can only help solidify this unit.
If Edwards can become a fraction of what he was when he was here then it will open up opportunities for the other WR's as well.
IMHO, Mardy Gilyard has a skill set that we've lacked here for a while.  This kid has enormous elusiveness when given the chance in open space.  I think we might have struck gold with this player.
Clyde Gates can be a special wide out as well. He has blazing speed that hopefully can be utilized in the coming weeks.  He has caught on as Marks go to guys before his was concussed vs the Pats.
Jeremy Kerely has absolutely broken out this year filling in for Santonio Holmes with 728 recieving yards thus far.  Granted IMHO, he's a slot player and not an edge receiver, he's done the most with his opportunity.  I think his stats will grow now that Braylon might, i say might command some more attention.
Stephen Hill is a youngster that has insane ability that hasn't been tapped yet.  There have been flashes and spurts, but this kid is as raw as they come.  He has size-speed that many teams dream of their QB having as a target.  His hands have been a growing frustration.  Though in my humble opinion this is where having Braylon may help turn this kid around the right corner. 
Braylon had the case of the dropsies like no other when he was in Cleveland.  He conquered that weakness when he came to the Jets.  Hopefully Stephen can heed #17's advice so that he may take that next step this franchise expects him to take.

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Uh-oh, Lakersfan is gonna think i hacked your log-in. I have been saying for weeks I like our wr core. Not Gilyard as much as you (though I think we r lucky to have found him), but Holmes, Kerley, Hill, and Gates REALLY excite me. I think Gates has every chance to be a Pierre Garcon. I really do. The kid can't be covered and hasn't dropped too many balls (Garcon's 2nd year struggled with drops after a solid rookie year). I really like our wr group too.

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Holmes, Gates, Hill are all injured so if your talking future than I'm with you...it could be good. My arguments with you were about the right now. You knock other players who are proven and then say our guys have every CHANCE to be as good...That isn't set in stone you know.

Of course every wide receiver that tall and fast isn't going to be Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss...no matter who the QB is..

Last edited 12/17/2012 5:44 PM by Lakerfan1980

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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:09 PM

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Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.






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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:28 AM

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The Jets wide-receivers are awesome.

Watching the receivers being able to create their own space, or just flat out showing everyone how to get a lead, is simply mind-blowing. And to see that they can always make difficult catches look so easy leaves me wondering why the hell aren't the Jets paying these clowns even more money? Even with all that, watching how the wide-receivers never blow their routes, and I will have to agree; this team sucks because it's all Mark Sanchez's fault.

Mark is done and needs a fork stuck in his butt. He doesn't look comfortable throwing up-field. The team would be Super Bowl contenders without Mark, as he has dubiously turned the once mighty Jets into the laughing stock of the NFL. Yet somehow, the Jets receivers are without a doubt some of the greatest athletes to ever lace 'em up.

And that's no joke!

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which place it, and I shall move the world."

 


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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:33 AM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote: Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.
No telling if your wide recievers are any good because your QB is just that bad. Larry Fitzgerald has 650 yards this year in a very similar QB situation as you guys.. I don't think anyone believes he is a bad reciever.

One thing is for sure your QB's are bad.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:10 AM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote: Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.
No telling if your wide recievers are any good because your QB is just that bad. Larry Fitzgerald has 650 yards this year in a very similar QB situation as you guys.. I don't think anyone believes he is a bad reciever.

One thing is for sure your QB's are bad.

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This I agree with. Its hard to tell how good your WRs are when your QB play is so bad. I have heard too complaints about our WRs and people say, "we need to draft a WR." Maybe, but i dont really know if we need a WR.

To your point, would it help Arizona to draft another Larry Fitzgerald to play on the other side of Larry Fitzgerald? Or maybe they need to address the qb, o-line, and running game and Larry Fitzgerald will be fine?

Look, we don't have our "Larry Fitzgerald," but IMO, if we had an accurate qb, upgrade 1 or 2 o-lineman, and maybe add a running back, we could better evaluate Holmes, Kerley, Hill, Gates, and Keller...

Plus we'll obviously have a new oc and qb coach next year.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:24 AM

Re: Mark Sanchez's weapons at wide receiver..not that bad. 



Jetman55 wrote:

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--- Gonzorot wrote:


broadwayjoe2 wrote: Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.
No telling if your wide recievers are any good because your QB is just that bad. Larry Fitzgerald has 650 yards this year in a very similar QB situation as you guys.. I don't think anyone believes he is a bad reciever.

One thing is for sure your QB's are bad.

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This I agree with. Its hard to tell how good your WRs are when your QB play is so bad. I have heard too complaints about our WRs and people say, "we need to draft a WR." Maybe, but i dont really know if we need a WR.

To your point, would it help Arizona to draft another Larry Fitzgerald to play on the other side of Larry Fitzgerald? Or maybe they need to address the qb, o-line, and running game and Larry Fitzgerald will be fine?

Look, we don't have our "Larry Fitzgerald," but IMO, if we had an accurate qb, upgrade 1 or 2 o-lineman, and maybe add a running back, we could better evaluate Holmes, Kerley, Hill, Gates, and Keller...

Plus we'll obviously have a new oc and qb coach next year.
Oddly enough, I agree with everything in bold.  Go figure......tongue  

One can only hope that the FO sees the OC situation the same way. Sparano - and his scheme - are not the answer for this team. I actually think he is just as bad as Shotty, just in different ways.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:06 AM

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atmorrisjr wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:

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--- Gonzorot wrote:


broadwayjoe2 wrote: Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.
No telling if your wide recievers are any good because your QB is just that bad. Larry Fitzgerald has 650 yards this year in a very similar QB situation as you guys.. I don't think anyone believes he is a bad reciever.

One thing is for sure your QB's are bad.

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This I agree with. Its hard to tell how good your WRs are when your QB play is so bad. I have heard too complaints about our WRs and people say, "we need to draft a WR." Maybe, but i dont really know if we need a WR.

To your point, would it help Arizona to draft another Larry Fitzgerald to play on the other side of Larry Fitzgerald? Or maybe they need to address the qb, o-line, and running game and Larry Fitzgerald will be fine?

Look, we don't have our "Larry Fitzgerald," but IMO, if we had an accurate qb, upgrade 1 or 2 o-lineman, and maybe add a running back, we could better evaluate Holmes, Kerley, Hill, Gates, and Keller...

Plus we'll obviously have a new oc and qb coach next year.
Oddly enough, I agree with everything in bold.  Go figure......tongue  

One can only hope that the FO sees the OC situation the same way. Sparano - and his scheme - are not the answer for this team. I actually think he is just as bad as Shotty, just in different ways.

+1.

Mark is not the answer here, and if he has the ability to salvage a career it cannot be here.
He needs to move on, and sadly Rex needs to go to0... along with Sparano. 

The offense last night looked like they were running plays straight from a highschool playbook.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:31 AM

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atmorrisjr wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:

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--- Gonzorot wrote:


broadwayjoe2 wrote: Seriously...

The addition of a couple of waiver wire castoffs make our WR options 'not bad'

Gilyard has been an absolute bust his entire careers
Edwards has been an absolute injured mess/bust the past 2 seasons.


Fools gold.
No telling if your wide recievers are any good because your QB is just that bad. Larry Fitzgerald has 650 yards this year in a very similar QB situation as you guys.. I don't think anyone believes he is a bad reciever.

One thing is for sure your QB's are bad.

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This I agree with. Its hard to tell how good your WRs are when your QB play is so bad. I have heard too complaints about our WRs and people say, "we need to draft a WR." Maybe, but i dont really know if we need a WR.

To your point, would it help Arizona to draft another Larry Fitzgerald to play on the other side of Larry Fitzgerald? Or maybe they need to address the qb, o-line, and running game and Larry Fitzgerald will be fine?

Look, we don't have our "Larry Fitzgerald," but IMO, if we had an accurate qb, upgrade 1 or 2 o-lineman, and maybe add a running back, we could better evaluate Holmes, Kerley, Hill, Gates, and Keller...

Plus we'll obviously have a new oc and qb coach next year.
Oddly enough, I agree with everything in bold.  Go figure......tongue  

One can only hope that the FO sees the OC situation the same way. Sparano - and his scheme - are not the answer for this team. I actually think he is just as bad as Shotty, just in different ways.
Only the NY Jets could go out and find an OC worse than Schotty. Is Tanny on the Pat's payroll?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:50 AM

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I actually think Stephen Hill may be very similar to demarius thomas who needed Peyton instead of Tebow.. I do think Holmes, Kerley and Hill form a pretty good Wideout group for you guys to build on  not to mention braylon.

Yeah i know i just dug into my boy tebowtongue......  U Still should have started him he wins just not pretty.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:49 AM

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bad

I'm not exactly thrilled with the route running of Kerley and Co. Kerley made a nice catch to convert a 3rd down, but that was because he couldn't shake his man and wasn't really open. I've seen too many receivers round their routes, allowing the DBs to undercut and get in front. Kerley failed in one on one coverazge that resulted in that sideline INT that was reviewed and upheld. He never shook his man.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:20 AM

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Let's take a closer look @ our WR's & TE's today:

WR's
Braylon Edwards - For a guy with a bad hamstring, he looked like the only receiver giving 100%. I thought he had a great game back, and I like his demeanor.
Clyde Gates - He's the fastest Jet; however, I'm still waiting on that big break-out game. Not 100% sold on Gates just yet.
Stephen Hill - Talent wise, he might be our best WR, once he learns to catch the easy passes. I think he will improve every year.
Jeremy Kerley - He has really stepped it up this year as our slot receiver, plus he's our PR.
Chaz Schilens - @ 6'4"/225 and fast, he should be playing better than he has ? He's been disappointing to me so far.
Mardy Gilyard - He has shown me nothing. There is usually a reason a player gets bounced around from team to team ?
Jordan White - He has not played because I don't think he is 100% healthy ?

TE's
Jeff Cumberland - He seems to be improving each game.
Dustin Keller - @ 27 do we keep him or let him walk ? He has been injured all season, and he can't block.
Konrad Reuland - He has looked OK as our blocking TE.
Hayden Smith - @ 6'6"/255 I think the experiment has failed.

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:32 AM

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cysporsche wrote: Let's take a closer look @ our WR's & TE's today:

WR's
Braylon Edwards - For a guy with a bad hamstring, he looked like the only receiver giving 100%. I thought he had a great game back, and I like his demeanor.
Clyde Gates - He's the fastest Jet; however, I'm still waiting on that big break-out game. Not 100% sold on Gates just yet.
Stephen Hill - Talent wise, he might be our best WR, once he learns to catch the easy passes. I think he will improve every year.
Jeremy Kerley - He has really stepped it up this year as our slot receiver, plus he's our PR.
Chaz Schilens - @ 6'4"/225 and fast, he should be playing better than he has ? He's been disappointing to me so far.
Mardy Gilyard - He has shown me nothing. There is usually a reason a player gets bounced around from team to team ?
Jordan White - He has not played because I don't think he is 100% healthy ?

TE's
Jeff Cumberland - He seems to be improving each game.
Dustin Keller - @ 27 do we keep him or let him walk ? He has been injured all season, and he can't block.
Konrad Reuland - He has looked OK as our blocking TE.
Hayden Smith - @ 6'6"/255 I think the experiment has failed.

Go Jets...Cyborg
So what about santonio holmes? I think you guys need to get a QB with touch and at least decent accuracy to judge these guys..I have a feeling if you cut santonio holmes next year he is going to catch on somewhere and put up big numbers like he used to.

i view the jets WR's as I view the Cards WR's who i think are pretty good but appear terrible because their QB's cannot play.

Look at the Jaguars wideouts Cecil shorts looked terrible before they changed to henne, Blackmon looked like a bust, Larent Robinson wasn't doing much with gabbert either before he got hurt.. Then they get a decent QB and these guys look like young studs now.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:44 PM

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Gonzorot wrote:
cysporsche wrote: Let's take a closer look @ our WR's & TE's today:

WR's
Braylon Edwards - For a guy with a bad hamstring, he looked like the only receiver giving 100%. I thought he had a great game back, and I like his demeanor.
Clyde Gates - He's the fastest Jet; however, I'm still waiting on that big break-out game. Not 100% sold on Gates just yet.
Stephen Hill - Talent wise, he might be our best WR, once he learns to catch the easy passes. I think he will improve every year.
Jeremy Kerley - He has really stepped it up this year as our slot receiver, plus he's our PR.
Chaz Schilens - @ 6'4"/225 and fast, he should be playing better than he has ? He's been disappointing to me so far.
Mardy Gilyard - He has shown me nothing. There is usually a reason a player gets bounced around from team to team ?
Jordan White - He has not played because I don't think he is 100% healthy ?

TE's
Jeff Cumberland - He seems to be improving each game.
Dustin Keller - @ 27 do we keep him or let him walk ? He has been injured all season, and he can't block.
Konrad Reuland - He has looked OK as our blocking TE.
Hayden Smith - @ 6'6"/255 I think the experiment has failed.

Go Jets...Cyborg
So what about santonio holmes? I think you guys need to get a QB with touch and at least decent accuracy to judge these guys..I have a feeling if you cut santonio holmes next year he is going to catch on somewhere and put up big numbers like he used to.

i view the jets WR's as I view the Cards WR's who i think are pretty good but appear terrible because their QB's cannot play.

Look at the Jaguars wideouts Cecil shorts looked terrible before they changed to henne, Blackmon looked like a bust, Larent Robinson wasn't doing much with gabbert either before he got hurt.. Then they get a decent QB and these guys look like young studs now.
+1

Next week let's see how Gates, Kerley, Edwards, and Cumberland look with McElroy.  We should start getting a better feel for these guys with an accurate QB (even if he doesn't have the rifle arm).
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:25 PM

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I'm glad to see you've given up on Schillins. Gates has two games to perform or he may be out the door with Sparano. Same with BE. Kerley has already surpassed the expectations I read from many after last season, even with a Sanchez.

I like Cumberland and I really like Rueland, I don't know his measurables but he looks fluid and his hand are very good.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:46 PM

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Rueland is slow and made some mental mistakes in the Titans game. I don't think he holds up well enough.

Kerley has done some things, but they better get him a Wes Welker highlight DVD for Christmas and tell him to learn how to get open. I think he has a lot to work on in that department.

Stephen Hill.......work on the hands and releasing from line of scrimmage.

Holmes will be back because he knows how to get open when motivated.

I say bring back Braylon on the cheap.......then you have a better overall WR corp

Gates/Gilyard......typical waiver material. Having speed is simply not enough
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:03 PM

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I am just saying Steve Hill, Kerley, Schillenz are pretty decent imo.. I really think they are far more talented then what we have on my team (fins)..

I would trade you Hartline,Bess, Marlon Moore anyday for those WR's. I just think it all ultimately comes down to QB play and Playcalling. No one respects the QB's back there so you see blitzes on almost every play. Your QBs are also not doing the WR's any favors with the pass placement most times. Sanchez was innaccurate, McElroy is accurate but passes take too long to get there.

I ultimately think the biggest culprit for the bad play of the entire offense is sparano.
Predicatable playcalling, Ive seen horrific pass play designs, that interception by McElroy last week you design 2 Recievers running copycat patterns within 10 yards of each other so the defenders on the other reciever overlap the intended target resulting in a throw into triple coverage .eek1Ive seen 3rd and 15 plays with the RB and 2 TE's staying in to block a 5 man rush and 2  recievers running routes with 6 defenders playing the pass.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:27 PM

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Gonzorot wrote: I am just saying Steve Hill, Kerley, Schillenz are pretty decent imo.. I really think they are far more talented then what we have on my team (fins)..

I would trade you Hartline,Bess, Marlon Moore anyday for those WR's. I just think it all ultimately comes down to QB play and Playcalling. No one respects the QB's back there so you see blitzes on almost every play. Your QBs are also not doing the WR's any favors with the pass placement most times. Sanchez was innaccurate, McElroy is accurate but passes take too long to get there.

I ultimately think the biggest culprit for the bad play of the entire offense is sparano.
Predicatable playcalling, Ive seen horrific pass play designs, that interception by McElroy last week you design 2 Recievers running copycat patterns within 10 yards of each other so the defenders on the other reciever overlap the intended target resulting in a throw into triple coverage .eek1Ive seen 3rd and 15 plays with the RB and 2 TE's staying in to block a 5 man rush and 2  recievers running routes with 6 defenders playing the pass.




Why does it take a Miami fan to understand this point?  Holmes, Hill, Kerley, and Braylon are a good group of WRs.  If Hill develops into a D. Thomas this would be an ELITE group of WRs.  Gates as the #5 WR.  You're kidding me that this is a weakness, right?  Hopefully only Lakerfan fell off the boat on this issue. 

I know you want Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson so your homie Sanchez looks good.  But this secret is out for everyone but you...Sanchez wouldn't look good even with Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson at WR.  I wish you would understand this point.


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