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OT: May want to watch - Cousins to start for Skins today

Posted: 12/16/2012 9:18 AM

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And Clevelands young D has been playing well lately with Haden and Ward leading the secondary. Will be interesting.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:26 AM

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I remember thinking how stupid Shanahan and co. were to draft another QB after investing so much in RG3. After preseason play of Cousins and all of the near misses injury wise for griffin, it looks like a genius move. If nothing else, Cousins could be a very valuable trading chip down the road - think Kolb, Cassell, etc.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:48 AM

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I remember thinking how stupid Shanahan and co. were to draft another QB after investing so much in RG3. After preseason play of Cousins and all of the near misses injury wise for griffin, it looks like a genius move. If nothing else, Cousins could be a very valuable trading chip down the road - think Kolb, Cassell, etc.

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Ummm, Im hoping for Shaub, Hostetler, Gannon, or Brad Johnson.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:09 AM

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i'm not quite on the cousins bandwagon like you are (i just think it's too early to say whether he is the next "schaub"), but given RGIII's playing style and him already getting hurt in his 1st year, i don't see any way the redskins would trade cousins after this season.  maybe 2 years down the road, but if he's as good as you are tauting him, they will keep him as an insurance policy for RGIII.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:19 AM

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i'm not quite on the cousins bandwagon like you are (i just think it's too early to say whether he is the next "schaub"), but given RGIII's playing style and him already getting hurt in his 1st year, i don't see any way the redskins would trade cousins after this season.  maybe 2 years down the road, but if he's as good as you are tauting him, they will keep him as an insurance policy for RGIII.

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Ohhhh, it is too early to tell if he's Shaub, but I hope so. Also, why trade Cousins now, they'll likely only get a 3rd rd pick that could jump to a 2nd based on playing incentives. But to your point, keep him 1 or 2 more years working with the qb guru, Shanahan, and his stock jumps to Kolb or Shaub value...maybe even a 2nd with 1st rd pick potential if he hits certain playing incentives. Plus to your point, RG3 needs to learn to run more to open the passing game than to get 1st downs...like Big Ben or Rodgers...rather than running around taking big hits.

I am betting Cousins has more value in 1 or 2 years than this summer. I dont think they will trade him yet...if i was being honest. But i can hope. Im still watching and evaluating Cousins, i don't think he's Brad Johnson in his prime yet...but he's one of the backup qbs worth keeping your eye on for sure. He'll likely be a dolphin in a couple years when they give up on Tannehill with my luck.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:17 PM

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Cousins lit that Cleveland D up pretty good today: 26/37, 2 TD, 1 INT, and spread it around nicely, completing at least 2 passes to 7 different receivers.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:12 PM

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15/19 229 yards and 2 tds off play action passes.

He had 1 bad throw to Hankerton that was behind him on a crossing route; however, it set up the next play perfectly....a 54 yard td to hankerton.

His INT was a tipped pass (sheldon brown tipped it into the air and ward picked it).

His strengths is bootleg and play action but he has great arm strength and mobility. They're gonna ask for the sky for him.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:22 PM

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15/19 229 yards and 2 tds off play action passes.

He had 1 bad throw to Hankerton that was behind him on a crossing route; however, it set up the next play perfectly....a 54 yard td to hankerton.

His INT was a tipped pass (sheldon brown tipped it into the air and ward picked it).

His strengths is bootleg and play action but he has great arm strength and mobility. They're gonna ask for the sky for him.

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Unless you are positive that someone is legit, it's tough to give up a first rounder, and maybe more. Watching Kaeperbick right now, and he looks good, but had been off on alms throws. He has nice size.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:07 AM

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15/19 229 yards and 2 tds off play action passes.

He had 1 bad throw to Hankerton that was behind him on a crossing route; however, it set up the next play perfectly....a 54 yard td to hankerton.

His INT was a tipped pass (sheldon brown tipped it into the air and ward picked it).

His strengths is bootleg and play action but he has great arm strength and mobility. They're gonna ask for the sky for him.

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Unless you are positive that someone is legit, it's tough to give up a first rounder, and maybe more. Watching Kaeperbick right now, and he looks good, but had been off on alms throws. He has nice size.

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I wouldn't give up a 1st rd pick for Kaepernick or Cousins. A second, maybe. I'd argue you never know if someone is legit...ever. Even a guy who looks good over a period of time could be a product of the system. I, personally, don't think Kaepernick would be that good away from Harbough...who looks to me like the next great NFL QB guru in the mold of Shanahan, Reid, Norv Turner, Gruden, etc. Some people have a way of looking at qbs and designing an offense to the qb's strengths, I think Harbough found Kaepernick has more intangibles than Alex Smith. He might not be that much better, there's just more there to work with. Im not sold on Kaepernick being that good away from Harbough.

Cousins im not sure on yet...though I like him a lot. He is a clutch player and has already shown it repeatedly in Washington. His 4th comeback against the Ravens in a huge game last week was awesome. And RG3 and the skins were getting killed in a preseason game and Cousins came in and threw for 300 in the second half and just barely lost. When u watch him play, he just goes out there and executes. It's amazing to watch...but again, I dont know how much of it his him vs Shanahan using him well.

We need an OC and QB coach that can design plays and play call to the qb's strength. We haven't had that in a REALLY long time.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 2:14 PM

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hobson54 wrote: i'm not quite on the cousins bandwagon like you are (i just think it's too early to say whether he is the next "schaub"), but given RGIII's playing style and him already getting hurt in his 1st year, i don't see any way the redskins would trade cousins after this season.  maybe 2 years down the road, but if he's as good as you are tauting him, they will keep him as an insurance policy for RGIII.
I think they move him if the value is a high to mid 1st rd pick or better.  You'd be wasting the asset on the bench.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 3:54 PM

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15/19 229 yards and 2 tds off play action passes.

He had 1 bad throw to Hankerton that was behind him on a crossing route; however, it set up the next play perfectly....a 54 yard td to hankerton.

His INT was a tipped pass (sheldon brown tipped it into the air and ward picked it).

His strengths is bootleg and play action but he has great arm strength and mobility. They're gonna ask for the sky for him.

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Unless you are positive that someone is legit, it's tough to give up a first rounder, an
d maybe more. Watching Kaeperbick right now, and he looks good, but had been off on alms throws. He has nice size.

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But he looked awful vs the Rams (even Sanchez looked good against the Rams). Im still not sold on Kaepernick.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 4:06 PM

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Jetman55 wrote:
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15/19 229 yards and 2 tds off play action passes.

He had 1 bad throw to Hankerton that was behind him on a crossing route; however, it set up the next play perfectly....a 54 yard td to hankerton.

His INT was a tipped pass (sheldon brown tipped it into the air and ward picked it).

His strengths is bootleg and play action but he has great arm strength and mobility. They're gonna ask for the sky for him.

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Unless you are positive that someone is legit, it's tough to give up a first rounder, and maybe more. Watching Kaeperbick right now, and he looks good, but had been off on alms throws. He has nice size.

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I wouldn't give up a 1st rd pick for Kaepernick or Cousins. A second, maybe. I'd argue you never know if someone is legit...ever. Even a guy who looks good over a period of time could be a product of the system. I, personally, don't think Kaepernick would be that good away from Harbough...who looks to me like the next great NFL QB guru in the mold of Shanahan, Reid, Norv Turner, Gruden, etc. Some people have a way of looking at qbs and designing an offense to the qb's strengths, I think Harbough found Kaepernick has more intangibles than Alex Smith. He might not be that much better, there's just more there to work with. Im not sold on Kaepernick being that good away from Harbough.

Cousins im not sure on yet...though I like him a lot. He is a clutch player and has already shown it repeatedly in Washington. His 4th comeback against the Ravens in a huge game last week was awesome. And RG3 and the skins were getting killed in a preseason game and Cousins came in and threw for 300 in the second half and just barely lost. When u watch him play, he just goes out there and executes. It's amazing to watch...but again, I dont know how much of it his him vs Shanahan using him well.

We need an OC and QB coach that can design plays and play call to the qb's strength. We haven't had that in a REALLY long time.
You will never know for certain if someone is the real deal, but I do remember Manning, and Luck, being as certain as you would ever get. So, if the Jets felt this way about a player I would be fine sending a first rounder or more for him.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 4:29 PM

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metjetgal wrote:
You will never know for certain if someone is the real deal, but I do remember Manning, and Luck, being as certain as you would ever get. So, if the Jets felt this way about a player I would be fine sending a first rounder or more for him.

To me, it relies heavily on a couple things - who our OC is and our Qb coach is.  As an example, if we somehow landed Norv Turner, I'd be comfortable bringing in a guy like Cousins because he has a strong history of developing a run oriented offense that eases his QB into the flow of the offense.  If you look at what he did with Dallas, Wash, and San Diego, say what you want for his team's success, but his QBs always put up strong numbers (even Alex Smith had a solid year with him for 1 season in SanFran). 

If Norv Turner was our OC and he REALLY wanted Cousins (or Kaepernick) I'd be willing to go get the guy he wanted that he felt was the right fit for his system.

If we keep Sparano and Cavanaugh, you may as well keep Sanchez, draft a guy to sit behind him a year, and wait for Sanchez's cap # to fall off and go with the kid in 2014 (i.e. waist next year too like we did this year but at least groom a kid and keep your picks).

To me, the OC and QB coach should pick the player for the system rather than management grabbing the best QB and trying to find a system that fits them (by keep hiring and firing OCs).
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:31 PM

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A factor to keep in mind: the way RG3 plays the game, he is a higher risk to go down with a serious injury. A backup in DC is closer to starting than on other teams. They may not want to trade Cousins because of that.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:24 AM

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A factor to keep in mind: the way RG3 plays the game, he is a higher risk to go down with a serious injury. A backup in DC is closer to starting than on other teams. They may not want to trade Cousins because of that.

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Imagine that, a team with 2 many good qbs (they don't know which one start this weekend against the Eagles). We just watched 2 teams that can't find 1 good qb...
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:44 AM

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Honestly the redskins are probably licking their chops at teams like the jets, Cards, and Jags for the high draft pick they will likely receive for Cousins based off of one game.We see it every year from some backup QB on another team coming in lighting it up and other teams going crazy reaching for fools gold.. I can't think of any QB who came in for one game lit it up and succeeded wherever they were traded..

AJ Feely, Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel,Matt Flynn the list goes on and on.. Teams do not trade away franchise Caliber QB's.. You find them in Free Agency due to salary cap detriments or in the draft which is where i think you guys ultimately should go.

Im telling you Tyler Bray, Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson will be your QB next season if you guys are smart.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:54 AM

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Gonzorot wrote: Honestly the redskins are probably licking their chops at teams like the jets, Cards, and Jags for the high draft pick they will likely receive for Cousins based off of one game.We see it every year from some backup QB on another team coming in lighting it up and other teams going crazy reaching for fools gold.. I can't think of any QB who came in for one game lit it up and succeeded wherever they were traded..

AJ Feely, Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel,Matt Flynn the list goes on and on.. Teams do not trade away franchise Caliber QB's.. You find them in Free Agency due to salary cap detriments or in the draft which is where i think you guys ultimately should go.

Im telling you Tyler Bray, Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson will be your QB next season if you guys are smart.

But sometimes they work out...Matt Shaub and Brad Johnson come to mind.  Jeff Hostetler was pretty good.  How about Steve Young and Rich Gannon?  I don't know how good Cousins is, and from your list I don't know how good Flynn is (I really don't...but Wilson is really good; no offense, but better than Sanchez and Tannehill, IMO).
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:28 AM

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Browns had the 9th ranked D coming in, but failed to do 2 things:
1) adjust to the zone stretch play.
2) adjust to the rollout/boot that Cousins ran.

The running game was enough of a threat that Cousins Hostetlered his way to a good, if not great, game. He is going to be a legit starter a la Alex Smith or Russell Wilson.

Jauron is a very good DC but the Browns overlooked the Skins' ability with Cousins. With RG3 in there, it would have been a bloodbath. Browns were 5-8 and showing promise, but once again, will finish 5-11.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:30 AM

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Jetman55 wrote:
Gonzorot wrote: Honestly the redskins are probably licking their chops at teams like the jets, Cards, and Jags for the high draft pick they will likely receive for Cousins based off of one game.We see it every year from some backup QB on another team coming in lighting it up and other teams going crazy reaching for fools gold.. I can't think of any QB who came in for one game lit it up and succeeded wherever they were traded..

AJ Feely, Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel,Matt Flynn the list goes on and on.. Teams do not trade away franchise Caliber QB's.. You find them in Free Agency due to salary cap detriments or in the draft which is where i think you guys ultimately should go.

Im telling you Tyler Bray, Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson will be your QB next season if you guys are smart.

But sometimes they work out...Matt Shaub and Brad Johnson come to mind.  Jeff Hostetler was pretty good.  How about Steve Young and Rich Gannon?  I don't know how good Cousins is, and from your list I don't know how good Flynn is (I really don't...but Wilson is really good; no offense, but better than Sanchez and Tannehill, IMO).
Nice attempted dig at my dolphins there.lol

Matt Flynn played for Joe Philbin and had his great performance with him, It should be a pretty strong indicator that Philbin let him go to seattle if he was that great. I don't think he would be an improvement over Tannehill imo, although sanchez i think anybody would be an improvement over him.

Look I want to say Cousins might be the exception because I really liked him coming out of college and was hoping my dolphins would take him.. He has shown a better then expected arm, mobility, and he was the smartest QB last years combine.

Im just saying be leary of trading for another teams QB, because true franchise QB's that elevate teams are not given away very often and i would put the success rate at about 10 percent.

Schaub and Young i will give you that one, Johnson,Gannon and Hostetler were highly experienced veterans at that point in their career which were short term solutions.
For every Steve Young there are 20 Kevin Kolbs.

Shananhan has to be happy though, he undoubtedly will recieve a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a guy who he picked in round 4.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 4:47 PM

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Gonzorot wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:
Gonzorot wrote: Honestly the redskins are probably licking their chops at teams like the jets, Cards, and Jags for the high draft pick they will likely receive for Cousins based off of one game.We see it every year from some backup QB on another team coming in lighting it up and other teams going crazy reaching for fools gold.. I can't think of any QB who came in for one game lit it up and succeeded wherever they were traded..

AJ Feely, Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel,Matt Flynn the list goes on and on.. Teams do not trade away franchise Caliber QB's.. You find them in Free Agency due to salary cap detriments or in the draft which is where i think you guys ultimately should go.

Im telling you Tyler Bray, Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson will be your QB next season if you guys are smart.

But sometimes they work out...Matt Shaub and Brad Johnson come to mind.  Jeff Hostetler was pretty good.  How about Steve Young and Rich Gannon?  I don't know how good Cousins is, and from your list I don't know how good Flynn is (I really don't...but Wilson is really good; no offense, but better than Sanchez and Tannehill, IMO).
Nice attempted dig at my dolphins there.lol

Matt Flynn played for Joe Philbin and had his great performance with him, It should be a pretty strong indicator that Philbin let him go to seattle if he was that great. I don't think he would be an improvement over Tannehill imo, although sanchez i think anybody would be an improvement over him.

Look I want to say Cousins might be the exception because I really liked him coming out of college and was hoping my dolphins would take him.. He has shown a better then expected arm, mobility, and he was the smartest QB last years combine.

Im just saying be leary of trading for another teams QB, because true franchise QB's that elevate teams are not given away very often and i would put the success rate at about 10 percent.

Schaub and Young i will give you that one, Johnson,Gannon and Hostetler were highly experienced veterans at that point in their career which were short term solutions.
For every Steve Young there are 20 Kevin Kolbs.

Shananhan has to be happy though, he undoubtedly will recieve a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a guy who he picked in round 4.
I think it will be a 2nd and 3rd (in consecutive drafts, not the same draft).  And it wasn't a dig, Russell Wilson looks better than Tannehill, IMO.  His knowledge of the game, work ethic, and clutch play to me looks better than Tannehill.

What do you think of Stafford who has sucked this year also.  Is Freeman the best QB from that draft?
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