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A lunchtime jet fan discussion trade Revis to Redskins

Posted: 12/14/2012 6:15 PM

A lunchtime jet fan discussion trade Revis to Redskins 


So the Jets are 3rd and the Redskins are 31st against the pass...so I thought of -

Revis and Tebow

for

Orakpo OLB, Cousins QB, Royster RB, 2nd rd pick, and a 4th rd pick

Orakpo is coming off an injury but he's a 9 sack a year guy (not Mathews, Ware, Woodley, Aldon Smith type)...but he's 26 and would fill a huge hole.

Cousins, like Lakerfan referenced, is likely a Matt Shaub type.  Not elite but somewhere second tier.  Definitely has some mobility, decent arm, and good decision making.

Jets would have multiple middle rd picks to address all of our holes.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:19 PM

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Jetman55 wrote: So the Jets are 3rd and the Redskins are 31st against the pass...so I thought of -

Revis and Tebow

for

Orakpo OLB, Cousins QB, Royster RB, 2nd rd pick, and a 4th rd pick

Orakpo is coming off an injury but he's a 9 sack a year guy (not Mathews, Ware, Woodley, Aldon Smith type)...but he's 26 and would fill a huge hole.

Cousins, like Lakerfan referenced, is likely a Matt Shaub type.  Not elite but somewhere second tier.  Definitely has some mobility, decent arm, and good decision making.

Jets would have multiple middle rd picks to address all of our holes.
In a heartbeat.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:56 PM

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If the Jets do trade Revis I hope it's for at least two 1st rounders which gives us three then we can trade one for the 2014 draft and accumulate high end draft picks like the Pats do.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:10 PM

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The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.
They said Bear Bryant walked on water...Nick Saban swims through land.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:31 PM

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CoachInWaiting wrote: The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.

Jets don't need Kirk Cousins but they do need Jake Skeleton?  Ummmm.....nooooo....eek1

Maybe on Tebow, but Mike Shanahan is very arrogant and may feel he can do something with Tebow as his back-up QB (essentially, we'd be swapping back up QBs. 

I love Peterson at CB, but we have the 3rd best pass coverage in the entire NFL with Wilson and Cromartie...why add another CB when you need OLB, o-line, QB, and RB...and Arizona is weak in those areas already.  Peterson is a super star, but if we trade Revis I want to plug holes, not have the exact same holes after we trade him.

Not a fan of this trade and I don't feel we make the team any better with Peterson, Skeleton, Johnson (we could just resign Landry with the $6 mill cap space we have when we trade Revis), and another draft pick.  Pass on this deal. 

The only reason a deal with the skins makes sense is they are strong in our areas of weakness -

They are stacked at QB...Cousins is very good and picked up the offense quicker than RG3.  He may not be better than RG3, but he may be another Dalton, Shaub, Cutler, Hostetler, or Simms type QB.

They are stacked at OLB with Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, and Jackson.

They have a stable of RBs from mid to late rds - Morris, Helu, and Royster.

Their area of weakness is their back 4, they have no CBs (Hall stinks...he still gets picks but he stinks, and Wilson is inconsistent...they never replaced Carlos Rodgers).  Sorry, but I've lived in DC the last 10 years and watch games here in Charlotte at a Redskins bar (Kickstand on Central Ave). 

Skins also don't have a 1st rd pick so moving players for talent is something they "may" consider.  Our strongest position right now is CB and their strongest positions are OLB, QB, and RB.

They will trade Cousins one day, maybe not this spring, but likely next.  He's gonna be a starter in this league.  I don't know if he'll be any good, but I think he's better than anything on our roster today.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:56 AM

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Jetman55 wrote:
CoachInWaiting wrote: The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.

Jets don't need Kirk Cousins but they do need Jake Skeleton?  Ummmm.....nooooo....eek1

Maybe on Tebow, but Mike Shanahan is very arrogant and may feel he can do something with Tebow as his back-up QB (essentially, we'd be swapping back up QBs. 

I love Peterson at CB, but we have the 3rd best pass coverage in the entire NFL with Wilson and Cromartie...why add another CB when you need OLB, o-line, QB, and RB...and Arizona is weak in those areas already.  Peterson is a super star, but if we trade Revis I want to plug holes, not have the exact same holes after we trade him.

Not a fan of this trade and I don't feel we make the team any better with Peterson, Skeleton, Johnson (we could just resign Landry with the $6 mill cap space we have when we trade Revis), and another draft pick.  Pass on this deal. 

The only reason a deal with the skins makes sense is they are strong in our areas of weakness -

They are stacked at QB...Cousins is very good and picked up the offense quicker than RG3.  He may not be better than RG3, but he may be another Dalton, Shaub, Cutler, Hostetler, or Simms type QB.

They are stacked at OLB with Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, and Jackson.

They have a stable of RBs from mid to late rds - Morris, Helu, and Royster.

Their area of weakness is their back 4, they have no CBs (Hall stinks...he still gets picks but he stinks, and Wilson is inconsistent...they never replaced Carlos Rodgers).  Sorry, but I've lived in DC the last 10 years and watch games here in Charlotte at a Redskins bar (Kickstand on Central Ave). 

Skins also don't have a 1st rd pick so moving players for talent is something they "may" consider.  Our strongest position right now is CB and their strongest positions are OLB, QB, and RB.

They will trade Cousins one day, maybe not this spring, but likely next.  He's gonna be a starter in this league.  I don't know if he'll be any good, but I think he's better than anything on our roster today.
You guys are concocting some crazy scenarios here..

If the cardinals trade you Patrick Peterson for Revis they need to be checked for cockroaches in the brain.. That trade is just crazy because Peterson is much younger and his potential is still untapped. I think you are inflating Sanchez's value also, They saw how he played (3 int's and a benching) and i don't think they want anything to do with him.

I guess i could see the Revis and Tebow for Orakpo and QB Kirk Cousins. I just doubt the redskins would part with any draft picks other then maybe one 4th rounder  in that scenario..
Its a Risky trade because Orakpo has had a history of getting hurt and eventually thats going to catch up with him athletically.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:01 AM

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Jetman55 wrote: So the Jets are 3rd and the Redskins are 31st against the pass...so I thought of -

Revis and Tebow

for

Orakpo OLB, Cousins QB, Royster RB, 2nd rd pick, and a 4th rd pick

Orakpo is coming off an injury but he's a 9 sack a year guy (not Mathews, Ware, Woodley, Aldon Smith type)...but he's 26 and would fill a huge hole.

Cousins, like Lakerfan referenced, is likely a Matt Shaub type.  Not elite but somewhere second tier.  Definitely has some mobility, decent arm, and good decision making.

Jets would have multiple middle rd picks to address all of our holes.
Revis is the best player in the NFL at his position. Any deal without an elite player in return and/or a 1st round pick would be a terrible judgement call imho.

Jets & Hawkeyes. I must enjoy torturing myself. >.<
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:41 AM

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Jetman55 wrote: So the Jets are 3rd and the Redskins are 31st against the pass...so I thought of -

Revis and Tebow

for

Orakpo OLB, Cousins QB, Royster RB, 2nd rd pick, and a 4th rd pick

Orakpo is coming off an injury but he's a 9 sack a year guy (not Mathews, Ware, Woodley, Aldon Smith type)...but he's 26 and would fill a huge hole.

Cousins, like Lakerfan referenced, is likely a Matt Shaub type.  Not elite but somewhere second tier.  Definitely has some mobility, decent arm, and good decision making.

Jets would have multiple middle rd picks to address all of our holes.

Stl got it, if I'm correct.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:17 AM

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Jetman55 wrote:
CoachInWaiting wrote: The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.

Jets don't need Kirk Cousins but they do need Jake Skeleton?  Ummmm.....nooooo....eek1

Maybe on Tebow, but Mike Shanahan is very arrogant and may feel he can do something with Tebow as his back-up QB (essentially, we'd be swapping back up QBs. 

I love Peterson at CB, but we have the 3rd best pass coverage in the entire NFL with Wilson and Cromartie...why add another CB when you need OLB, o-line, QB, and RB...and Arizona is weak in those areas already.  Peterson is a super star, but if we trade Revis I want to plug holes, not have the exact same holes after we trade him.

Not a fan of this trade and I don't feel we make the team any better with Peterson, Skeleton, Johnson (we could just resign Landry with the $6 mill cap space we have when we trade Revis), and another draft pick.  Pass on this deal. 

The only reason a deal with the skins makes sense is they are strong in our areas of weakness -

They are stacked at QB...Cousins is very good and picked up the offense quicker than RG3.  He may not be better than RG3, but he may be another Dalton, Shaub, Cutler, Hostetler, or Simms type QB.

They are stacked at OLB with Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, and Jackson.

They have a stable of RBs from mid to late rds - Morris, Helu, and Royster.

Their area of weakness is their back 4, they have no CBs (Hall stinks...he still gets picks but he stinks, and Wilson is inconsistent...they never replaced Carlos Rodgers).  Sorry, but I've lived in DC the last 10 years and watch games here in Charlotte at a Redskins bar (Kickstand on Central Ave). 

Skins also don't have a 1st rd pick so moving players for talent is something they "may" consider.  Our strongest position right now is CB and their strongest positions are OLB, QB, and RB.

They will trade Cousins one day, maybe not this spring, but likely next.  He's gonna be a starter in this league.  I don't know if he'll be any good, but I think he's better than anything on our roster today.
Okay, Cousins is a better QB than Skelton, I'll give you that. But if your scenario comes true, you have traded one QB controversy for another. If Cousins becomes a Jet, please get rid of Sanchez and let Cousins and McElroy compete for the starting job. If Sanchez stays a Jet, he's going to start as long as he's healthy, even if he throws every pass to the opposition.

If Sanchez stays and starts, you might as well trade Tebow and McElroy for youth and depth on defense and draft picks. There's no need to trade for a quality QB to carry a clipboard. Sign a veteran back-up and be done with it.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:49 AM

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Jetman55 wrote:
CoachInWaiting wrote: The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.

Jets don't need Kirk Cousins but they do need Jake Skeleton?  Ummmm.....nooooo....eek1

Maybe on Tebow, but Mike Shanahan is very arrogant and may feel he can do something with Tebow as his back-up QB (essentially, we'd be swapping back up QBs. 

I love Peterson at CB, but we have the 3rd best pass coverage in the entire NFL with Wilson and Cromartie...why add another CB when you need OLB, o-line, QB, and RB...and Arizona is weak in those areas already.  Peterson is a super star, but if we trade Revis I want to plug holes, not have the exact same holes after we trade him.

Not a fan of this trade and I don't feel we make the team any better with Peterson, Skeleton, Johnson (we could just resign Landry with the $6 mill cap space we have when we trade Revis), and another draft pick.  Pass on this deal. 

The only reason a deal with the skins makes sense is they are strong in our areas of weakness -

They are stacked at QB...Cousins is very good and picked up the offense quicker than RG3.  He may not be better than RG3, but he may be another Dalton, Shaub, Cutler, Hostetler, or Simms type QB.

They are stacked at OLB with Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, and Jackson.

They have a stable of RBs from mid to late rds - Morris, Helu, and Royster.

Their area of weakness is their back 4, they have no CBs (Hall stinks...he still gets picks but he stinks, and Wilson is inconsistent...they never replaced Carlos Rodgers).  Sorry, but I've lived in DC the last 10 years and watch games here in Charlotte at a Redskins bar (Kickstand on Central Ave). 

Skins also don't have a 1st rd pick so moving players for talent is something they "may" consider.  Our strongest position right now is CB and their strongest positions are OLB, QB, and RB.

They will trade Cousins one day, maybe not this spring, but likely next.  He's gonna be a starter in this league.  I don't know if he'll be any good, but I think he's better than anything on our roster today.
Okay, Cousins is a better QB than Skelton, I'll give you that. But if your scenario comes true, you have traded one QB controversy for another. If Cousins becomes a Jet, please get rid of Sanchez and let Cousins and McElroy compete for the starting job. If Sanchez stays a Jet, he's going to start as long as he's healthy, even if he throws every pass to the opposition.

If Sanchez stays and starts, you might as well trade Tebow and McElroy for youth and depth on defense and draft picks. There's no need to trade for a quality QB to carry a clipboard. Sign a veteran back-up and be done with it.

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I am making a huge assumption that we'll have a new QB coach and Offensive Coordinator next year and it be an open qb competition. If that was the case, Cousins would destroy Sanchez. Cousins crushed RG3 this preseason. That doesn't mean anything in terms of how good he'll be, but the kid had a 300 yard half passing to UPS workers.

Also, nobody wants McElroy. We'd be lucky to get a 7th rd pick for him. He did look good against Arizona and got us 7 (should have been14) pts...but a 3rd rd pick named Russell Wilson just hung 58 on that same D...which drastically drops Sanchez's value and tells team they could possibly draft a mid rd pick better than Sanchez or McElroy.

While everyone assumes it will be Jax we trade Tebow to, and I agree that they're the most likely, I wouldn't be shocked if another team makes a play for him. Im not sold Jax will be the only team confident in their OC and QB coach enough to find clever ways to use him.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 8:59 AM

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Gonzorot wrote:
Jetman55 wrote:
CoachInWaiting wrote: The Jets don't need Cousins, and Tebow adds no value to the 'Skins in that deal. Instead, I'd have the equipment manager hang a #85 jersey in Tebow's locker along with a note to see the coach in his office. He either becomes a TE or he gets traded to the Jaguars for a draft pick and/or whatever else he may bring.

Package Sanchez and Revis to the AZ Cardinals for QB Skelton, SS Johnson, and PR/CB Peterson, plus at least one draft pick this year.

Let McElroy and Skelton battle it out for the starting job next year and draft well to replace some age on the defense and get some playmakers on the offense.

Jets don't need Kirk Cousins but they do need Jake Skeleton?  Ummmm.....nooooo....eek1

Maybe on Tebow, but Mike Shanahan is very arrogant and may feel he can do something with Tebow as his back-up QB (essentially, we'd be swapping back up QBs. 

I love Peterson at CB, but we have the 3rd best pass coverage in the entire NFL with Wilson and Cromartie...why add another CB when you need OLB, o-line, QB, and RB...and Arizona is weak in those areas already.  Peterson is a super star, but if we trade Revis I want to plug holes, not have the exact same holes after we trade him.

Not a fan of this trade and I don't feel we make the team any better with Peterson, Skeleton, Johnson (we could just resign Landry with the $6 mill cap space we have when we trade Revis), and another draft pick.  Pass on this deal. 

The only reason a deal with the skins makes sense is they are strong in our areas of weakness -

They are stacked at QB...Cousins is very good and picked up the offense quicker than RG3.  He may not be better than RG3, but he may be another Dalton, Shaub, Cutler, Hostetler, or Simms type QB.

They are stacked at OLB with Kerrigan, Orakpo, Alexander, and Jackson.

They have a stable of RBs from mid to late rds - Morris, Helu, and Royster.

Their area of weakness is their back 4, they have no CBs (Hall stinks...he still gets picks but he stinks, and Wilson is inconsistent...they never replaced Carlos Rodgers).  Sorry, but I've lived in DC the last 10 years and watch games here in Charlotte at a Redskins bar (Kickstand on Central Ave). 

Skins also don't have a 1st rd pick so moving players for talent is something they "may" consider.  Our strongest position right now is CB and their strongest positions are OLB, QB, and RB.

They will trade Cousins one day, maybe not this spring, but likely next.  He's gonna be a starter in this league.  I don't know if he'll be any good, but I think he's better than anything on our roster today.
You guys are concocting some crazy scenarios here..

If the cardinals trade you Patrick Peterson for Revis they need to be checked for cockroaches in the brain.. That trade is just crazy because Peterson is much younger and his potential is still untapped. I think you are inflating Sanchez's value also, They saw how he played (3 int's and a benching) and i don't think they want anything to do with him.

I guess i could see the Revis and Tebow for Orakpo and QB Kirk Cousins. I just doubt the redskins would part with any draft picks other then maybe one 4th rounder  in that scenario..
Its a Risky trade because Orakpo has had a history of getting hurt and eventually thats going to catch up with him athletically.
Also, after thing about it some more, if Arizona offered us Peterson and a 1st rd pick for Revis, I'd do it. I do really like Peterson who is almost as good as Revis and we'd be getting cap space and a 1st rd pick in the deal...it would be like losing Revis w/o losing Revis and getting an extra 1 out of it (which would likely be a high 1).
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:03 AM

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aijmuah wrote:
Jetman55 wrote: So the Jets are 3rd and the Redskins are 31st against the pass...so I thought of -

Revis and Tebow

for

Orakpo OLB, Cousins QB, Royster RB, 2nd rd pick, and a 4th rd pick

Orakpo is coming off an injury but he's a 9 sack a year guy (not Mathews, Ware, Woodley, Aldon Smith type)...but he's 26 and would fill a huge hole.

Cousins, like Lakerfan referenced, is likely a Matt Shaub type.  Not elite but somewhere second tier.  Definitely has some mobility, decent arm, and good decision making.

Jets would have multiple middle rd picks to address all of our holes.

Stl got it, if I'm correct.
If the draft was today, the Skins would be picking #47.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 10:56 AM

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Sanchez to the Seafish for Matt Flynn QB straight up. Flynn is pissed that Wilson is the starting QB, and Pete Carroll loves Sanchez from his USC days. Flynn has to be an upgrade over Sanchez.

Tebow in a separate deal for the Jags 4th round pick.

I think we need to keep Revis CB for now, and see what we look like next year. We already have a young stout DL, 2 great LB's (Davis & Harris), and our DB is 2nd to none now with Cromartie & Wilson both playing some much better. We need to resign Landry SS and decide if Bell FS has enough left in the tank.

Go Jets...Cyborg
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:27 PM

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Sanchez to the Seafish for Matt Flynn QB straight up. Flynn is pissed that Wilson is the starting QB, and Pete Carroll loves Sanchez from his USC days. Flynn has to be an upgrade over Sanchez.

Tebow in a separate deal for the Jags 4th round pick.

I think we need to keep Revis CB for now, and see what we look like next year. We already have a young stout DL, 2 great LB's (Davis & Harris), and our DB is 2nd to none now with Cromartie & Wilson both playing some much better. We need to resign Landry SS and decide if Bell FS has enough left in the tank.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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It's not that easy. You have these 3 options for revis (and they are the only options) -

* trade him
* resign him to a long term deal
* lose him as a free agent in 2014 (because he's going to the highest bidder...which won't be the Jets)

that decision on which option occurs this summer. so which is it?
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:09 PM

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Sanchez to the Seafish for Matt Flynn QB straight up. Flynn is pissed that Wilson is the starting QB, and Pete Carroll loves Sanchez from his USC days. Flynn has to be an upgrade over Sanchez.

Tebow in a separate deal for the Jags 4th round pick.

I think we need to keep Revis CB for now, and see what we look like next year. We already have a young stout DL, 2 great LB's (Davis & Harris), and our DB is 2nd to none now with Cromartie & Wilson both playing some much better. We need to resign Landry SS and decide if Bell FS has enough left in the tank.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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"2 great LB's (Davis and Harris)". What alternate universe are u from cause I want a ticket! Lol
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:04 PM

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Sanchez to the Seafish for Matt Flynn QB straight up. Flynn is pissed that Wilson is the starting QB, and Pete Carroll loves Sanchez from his USC days. Flynn has to be an upgrade over Sanchez.

Tebow in a separate deal for the Jags 4th round pick.

I think we need to keep Revis CB for now, and see what we look like next year. We already have a young stout DL, 2 great LB's (Davis & Harris), and our DB is 2nd to none now with Cromartie & Wilson both playing some much better. We need to resign Landry SS and decide if Bell FS has enough left in the tank.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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"2 great LB's (Davis and Harris)". What alternate universe are u from cause I want a ticket! Lol

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The only better tandem, IMO, is in San Fran
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:25 PM

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Bearing in mind that the 2012 player trade deadline has passed and NOBODY is trading anybody until the new league year, (March 5th, 2013?), begins.

1.) Snatch-X has ZERO trade value except, perhaps, as a long-shot to his old USC coach, Carroll.

Remember Drew Stanton?
He has a higher trade value than Snatch-X right now.

2.) Washington is competitive for the first time in 6 years. They aren't going to turn around and start dismantling their defense AND draft depth - not even for Revis.

3.) Revis' trade value is considerably diminished at the moment. A healthy Revis is worth the moon and the stars. A Revis coming off a knee rehab, not so much.
Quadruple risk factor makes ANY trade unlikely - he has contract liabilities - the LAST thing Washington needs while paying off the fine for overspending in 2010 - is a known hold-out risk, has to recover and return to his old form, AND he has to be a good fit in whichever defense he ends up in.
A zone defense like Washington's doesn't have the same value on man coverage that a bump & run team like the Jets does.


4.) Player trades are already rare, trading a marquis player like Revis, almost unheard of - especially given the contract issues.

5.) AZ's Peterson may be the 2nd best CB in the NFL. Why would a team that has been so good at finding Rolle, DR-C, Toler, and Peterson in the past 8 drafts bother trading Peterson AND draft picks for what amounts to a slight POTENTIAL upgrade?
CBs are NOT QBs. You can draft CBs every year and probably get a really good one if you are picking as high as AZ does perennially.

6.) Fans love concocting trade scenarios. GMs HATE it, because it means they've failed at their job already if they have to be in that situation.
Fans should stop already with the "trade this player for" stuff. They always over-value their own guy and under-value whomever's intelligence they suggest making trades with.

7.) Having just discouraged fan-lunacy trade scenarios, if the Jets want to get involved in a deal with an injured player, try Vinny Curry from PHI.
There is going to be a megatonnage explosion over there at the end of this season.
End of an era in PHI, I'm afraid.
On the bright side, the Jets could do far worse than scoop up Andy Reid as OC as soon as PHI fires him and maybe nab Curry along the way.

PS: I do not get why Jets fans CONTINUE to so undervalue 3-4 ILB David Harris.
He's not Rev. RayRay, but them NOBODY is - not even RayRay anymore.
Harris is about as close as anyone is likely to get, other than London Fletcher or Stephen Tullock - who are BOTH 4-3 ILBs that excel in pass coverage as well as run-stuffing and pass rushing.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:58 PM

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Jetman55 wrote:

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Sanchez to the Seafish for Matt Flynn QB straight up. Flynn is pissed that Wilson is the starting QB, and Pete Carroll loves Sanchez from his USC days. Flynn has to be an upgrade over Sanchez.

Tebow in a separate deal for the Jags 4th round pick.

I think we need to keep Revis CB for now, and see what we look like next year. We already have a young stout DL, 2 great LB's (Davis & Harris), and our DB is 2nd to none now with Cromartie & Wilson both playing some much better. We need to resign Landry SS and decide if Bell FS has enough left in the tank.

Go Jets...Cyborg

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It's not that easy. You have these 3 options for revis (and they are the only options) -

* trade him
* resign him to a long term deal
* lose him as a free agent in 2014 (because he's going to the highest bidder...which won't be the Jets)

that decision on which option occurs this summer. so which is it?
Would trade him for a first  but NOONE  unless maybe a SB champ wud give 2  firsts...one first and a thrd is the max we wud get  especially after injury

Resign him to a long term Jet friendly deal

If u lose him to FA  it wud actually be getting hin for next year and then a guaranteed 3rd rd comp pick
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Posted: 12/15/2012 8:25 PM

Re: A lunchtime jet fan discussion trade Revis to Redskins 


revis 4 fitzgerald

no picks ,revis is a once in 30 years.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:55 AM

Re: A lunchtime jet fan discussion trade Revis to Redskins 






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--- HYATT wrote:

Bearing in mind that the 2012 player trade deadline has passed and NOBODY is trading anybody until the new league year, (March 5th, 2013?), begins.

1.) Snatch-X has ZERO trade value except, perhaps, as a long-shot to his old USC coach, Carroll.

Remember Drew Stanton?
He has a higher trade value than Snatch-X right now.

2.) Washington is competitive for the first time in 6 years. They aren't going to turn around and start dismantling their defense AND draft depth - not even for Revis.

3.) Revis' trade value is considerably diminished at the moment. A healthy Revis is worth the moon and the stars. A Revis coming off a knee rehab, not so much.
Quadruple risk factor makes ANY trade unlikely - he has contract liabilities - the LAST thing Washington needs while paying off the fine for overspending in 2010 - is a known hold-out risk, has to recover and return to his old form, AND he has to be a good fit in whichever defense he ends up in.
A zone defense like Washington's doesn't have the same value on man coverage that a bump & run team like the Jets does.


4.) Player trades are already rare, trading a marquis player like Revis, almost unheard of - especially given the contract issues.

5.) AZ's Peterson may be the 2nd best CB in the NFL. Why would a team that has been so good at finding Rolle, DR-C, Toler, and Peterson in the past 8 drafts bother trading Peterson AND draft picks for what amounts to a slight POTENTIAL upgrade?
CBs are NOT QBs. You can draft CBs every year and probably get a really good one if you are picking as high as AZ does perennially.

6.) Fans love concocting trade scenarios. GMs HATE it, because it means they've failed at their job already if they have to be in that situation.
Fans should stop already with the "trade this player for" stuff. They always over-value their own guy and under-value whomever's intelligence they suggest making trades with.

7.) Having just discouraged fan-lunacy trade scenarios, if the Jets want to get involved in a deal with an injured player, try Vinny Curry from PHI.
There is going to be a megatonnage explosion over there at the end of this season.
End of an era in PHI, I'm afraid.
On the bright side, the Jets could do far worse than scoop up Andy Reid as OC as soon as PHI fires him and maybe nab Curry along the way.

PS: I do not get why Jets fans CONTINUE to so undervalue 3-4 ILB David Harris.
He's not Rev. RayRay, but them NOBODY is - not even RayRay anymore.
Harris is about as close as anyone is likely to get, other than London Fletcher or Stephen Tullock - who are BOTH 4-3 ILBs that excel in pass coverage as well as run-stuffing and pass rushing.



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HYATT, HYATT, HYATT, my friend. Without Al Davis around, I don't think there is a team more likely to trade the farm for Revis than the skins. Let's take a walk down memory lane, shall we.

Under Dan Snyder, some of the biggest trades in the NFL took place -

* 2 First rd picks for QB Brad Johnson

* 2 First rd picks for Sean Gilbert DT (cousin of Mr. Revis)

* Champ Bailey and a 2nd and 4th rd pick for Clinton Portis

* 2nd rd pick to the Raiders for DeAngelo Hall

* 3 first rd picks and a slew of mid rd picks for RGIII

Let's examine that third trade, because I think that's an important one -

Who is coaching the Skins these days....why, it's Mike Shanahan...who became great friends with Mr Snyder during those trade negotiations. If ya remember, Shanahan and Ray Rhodes were swinging and missing on CB prospects on an annual basis...and since the skins traded champ...so have they (they didn't realize what they had in Rogers till he was gone...I thought he was good).

One team know more than any how hard it is to find a cover corner...and that team is the Skins...and no team, IMO, is more likely to make a trade for a CB this offseason (even if it's just moving up in the draft) for a cb than the skins.
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