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ask yourself this, and be honest!

Posted: 12/9/2012 10:33 PM

ask yourself this, and be honest! 


Before the first game, someone tells you the jets will be without Revis, Holmes, Keller, Connor for the majority of the season and Wayne Hunter would fail at RT, and Tebow would be contributing nothing.. And our season ends with a record of 9-7..

Do you think you'd have said that would have been a successful season?

I think we have a heck of a football coach..
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:50 PM

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And that Stephen Hill contributed virtually nothing and our QB has the most turnovers in the NFL and is wildly inconsistent.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:03 PM

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I left hill out only because he is a rookie.. I'm not sure how much we could
Have expected from him.. The kid is high effort, and has heart.. You can see it in his play, I think he'll be successful..

Leaving out the incredibly poor year from Sanchez, well.. His year was definitely hurt by all of the injuries.. That doesn't excuse his play.. But we'd be unfair not to bring it up when we talk about his performance..
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:07 PM

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First off, season isn't over so we don't know if we will go 9-7 but if we do I would say it was pretty impressive. However, I would also say if rex and tanny wouldn't have destroyed our team from last year we would of be a better team with a much better chance of making the playoffs regardless of the injuries or sanchez play. I had no faith in us being a playoff caliber team this year and that's before the season or injuries started. I figured we go about 5-11/6-10 at best. So I would say with the horrible job he has done with constructing this team with the injuries included, 9-7 ain't bad. I would also say he and tanny has to go regardless. They have made this team into a clown laughing stock and there is no excuse for it.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:14 PM

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The whole circus thing is way overblown. No question, there were some things that happened over the past year that were curious at best (Tebow is the perfect example), but the media loves to sustain this circus image because it creates good theatre. Rex is so much more tame this year that in years past yet this year they are a circus. I actually think the NYMedia is more dysfunctional than the NYJ.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:19 PM

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djetzrule wrote: Before the first game, someone tells you the jets will be without Revis, Holmes, Keller, Connor for the majority of the season and Wayne Hunter would fail at RT, and Tebow would be contributing nothing.. And our season ends with a record of 9-7..

Do you think you'd have said that would have been a successful season?

I think we have a heck of a football coach..
Probably not with me ... pointing to a possible 9-7 record is like pointing to Sanchez having more TDs than Int (which he did last year and could possibly do again this year) and claiming he's been successful; it looks good on paper, but it fails the eye test.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:31 PM

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Considering everything, this helps Rex a LOT

Tannenbaum, not so much.

"We want guys who will play like a Jet"  John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets

Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:41 PM

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You have to separate mr. T from Rex.. Based on the roster he has I think Rex has done well..I'd also throw in that the media will find any reason to keep Rex and the jets in the news, if Rex says he prefers dunkin doughnuts over crispy creme we'll see it on the back page the next day!
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Posted: 12/10/2012 2:06 AM

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djetzrule wrote: Before the first game, someone tells you the jets will be without Revis, Holmes, Keller, Connor for the majority of the season and Wayne Hunter would fail at RT, and Tebow would be contributing nothing.. And our season ends with a record of 9-7..

Do you think you'd have said that would have been a successful season?

I think we have a heck of a football coach..

Revis is a HUGE loss, offset by Cro being able to show he is a very very good #1 CB too.
A lot of people said Cro was soft, didn't like to get physical.
I think that one got put to rest now.
Revis' loss has cost the Jets a minimum of 2 games so far - NE #1 for sure, and PROBABLY Houston. Andre Johnson was taken out of play by injuries and Cro, but the lesser receivers would have been more effectively stopped with Revis AND Cro available and VERY likely that Daniels long TD doesn't happen.

HolMEs?
Craptastic in a glass showcase for the circus to laugh at?
I believe if you had said HolMEs would be lost for the season - before the season - I would have expected an even better year for the Jets.

Hunter was already a known liability. Anyone should have seen that coming and many DID.

Conner, no real loss, he's never been a large contributor yet, though I know a few fans here really like the kid.

Keller, that's a bit harder to judge but given the cast of receivers going into the season, I'd have to say his "projected" loss would have moved expectations of a diminished season by maybe 1 or 2 games at most. He hasn't been much of a threat with the development of Kerley this year & he never could block worth snot anyway.


Don't sell Tebow short. He's contributed PLENTY - PLENTY of distraction and a complete loss of focus on both sides of the ball.

MONSTER mistake bringing that kid into NJ.
I can't point to anything specific in an individual game but that isn't where he's done the damage. And he's certainly added nothing specific to any game either.

And Rex looks like he's a bit off himself this season.
I suspect he was worried going into TC already, based on the personnel.
I figure he thought the Jets would have solved his RT and WR problems at least, by the start of the season.
But yeah, he's still a hella coach, even being off his game a bit all year.

Wish he's do a little better with the organization of the offense though, specifically QB coach, WR coach, and OC.

Sanjay Lal has been a big disappointment. No wonder the OAK passing game has sucked for so many years - in spite of a lot of WR talent there.
Reggie McKenzie is a smart footballer, he knows what good a WR coach look like after working with Jimmy Robinson for so many years in GB. No surprise now, after seeing Lal's work, that Reggie didn't invite him back.

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Posted: 12/10/2012 4:01 PM

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the last 3 under the pressure they will be played will be impressive if they win out.;.........to date they have beaten bad/mediocre teams. Not sure how Indy is 9-4 with that defense.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:08 PM

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First of all assuming Tenessee would be beaten is a mistake.

Second, yes, I am being totally honest with myself, this is not a good team and this is not a successful season.

Just because there are other teams that are in much worse shape and playing even more poorly, and somehow we beat them, it doesn't make this a successful season.

All we will accomplish is missing out on decent picks.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:13 PM

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djetzrule wrote: Before the first game, someone tells you the jets will be without Revis, Holmes, Keller, Connor for the majority of the season and Wayne Hunter would fail at RT, and Tebow would be contributing nothing.. And our season ends with a record of 9-7..

Do you think you'd have said that would have been a successful season?

I think we have a heck of a football coach..

I guess the simple question back would be, if the Jets go 9-7, are you impressed enough to be happy next year with getting Revis and Holmes back with Sanchez at QB and confident in Jets drafting and FA signing during the offseason.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:12 PM

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I like Rex.  But let's be honest with ourselves.  Is being "9-7" a successful season (and that's a big assumption)?  The Jets have lost big to every good team they played this year (except Indy, who's quality is questionable).   They have no chance of competing in the tournament even if they make it by some miracle.  Their offense is putrid, and defense middling (except the last 2 games).

So let's be honest.  A successful season is being a serious title contender.  Even if you lose in the playoffs to another quality team, a successful season means you have a strong foundation to build on for the next year. 

Did the Jets demonstrate that this year?  Now, be honest....
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:36 PM

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If your expectations for the season remained the Super Bowl after loosing Revis, Holmes, Keller then may be you are unrealistic..

We are not anywhere close to where we want the team to be.. But you have to evaluate coaches separately from personnel, cap decisions..
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:48 PM

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djetzrule wrote: If your expectations for the season remained the Super Bowl after loosing Revis, Holmes, Keller then may be you are unrealistic..

We are not anywhere close to where we want the team to be.. But you have to evaluate coaches separately from personnel, cap decisions..

Not when the coach is involved in picking the players.  Anyhow, any coach worth their salt will tell you that they don't care who is injured, and won't use it as an excuse.  Every team has injuries.  Unless your franchise qb goes down, if you're a good team, you'll find a way.
My "expectations" are that the Jets should compete for the title.  Anything less is not successful no matter what you try to tell me IMHO.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:06 PM

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djetzrule wrote: If your expectations for the season remained the Super Bowl after loosing Revis, Holmes, Keller then may be you are unrealistic..

We are not anywhere close to where we want the team to be.. But you have to evaluate coaches separately from personnel, cap decisions..

Again though, are you optimistic that the Jets will be good next year when recovered from injuries?
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:54 PM

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From 4-7 to 9-7 would be a good feat no matter who the Jets played. Especially they way they have been playing.
That said there are only a few positives moving forward from this season, Cromartie's play since Revis went down has been fantastic. Makes you wonder why he didn't do it when Revis was playing.
Mo Wilkerson, was down on him at the beginning of the year but has really turned it up and is becoming a force for the D.
Coples to me is starting to come around, would like to see him get more snaps.
Landry has played well, we'll see if he can stick around after this season.
Kyle Wilson hasn't been perfect but hasn't been horrible either. Playing the season as a starting DB can only help for his growth in the future.
Another positive is that i believe it is the last year for the contracts of C. Pace, B. Scott, B. Thomas( hasn't been terrible, still need to upgrade).
A. Howard is an upgrade over Hunter, we'll see if a year of starting and a good offseason can let this kid become a solid RT for the Jets.
Kerley is a player.
That it for me.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:08 PM

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Don't know if it belongs in this thread but for some reason feel alot better about the jets watching the Texans getting dismantled by the Pats.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:04 AM

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McJet wrote: From 4-7 to 9-7 would be a good feat no matter who the Jets played. Especially they way they have been playing.
That said there are only a few positives moving forward from this season, Cromartie's play since Revis went down has been fantastic. Makes you wonder why he didn't do it when Revis was playing.
Mo Wilkerson, was down on him at the beginning of the year but has really turned it up and is becoming a force for the D.
Coples to me is starting to come around, would like to see him get more snaps.
Landry has played well, we'll see if he can stick around after this season.
Kyle Wilson hasn't been perfect but hasn't been horrible either. Playing the season as a starting DB can only help for his growth in the future.
Another positive is that i believe it is the last year for the contracts of C. Pace, B. Scott, B. Thomas( hasn't been terrible, still need to upgrade).
A. Howard is an upgrade over Hunter, we'll see if a year of starting and a good offseason can let this kid become a solid RT for the Jets.
Kerley is a player.
That it for me.

Agree with everything in this post, except:

"A. Howard is an upgrade over Hunter, we'll see if a year of starting and a good offseason can let this kid become a solid RT for the Jets"

I've seen enough of A. Howard to think he is a big liability for us as a starter,
and while could get better and develop into a starter. We need to upgrade that
position this offseason. This is still like the last 2 years when we went into the
new season with Hunter and didn't address it - except Howard is an improvement
compared to Hunter, but still a liability.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:25 AM

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to the extent that this thread argues successfully for Rex as coach, it also argues that Tanny and Rex have failed in roster construction. 

Need a real football GM
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