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The State Of The New York Jets And Its Grim Outlook

Posted: 12/5/2012 2:37 PM

The State Of The New York Jets And Its Grim Outlook 


This article really sums up the truth about the Jets. Unless something radical changes, the outlook is grim. I love Rex but I am losing/lost patience and confidence in him. I used to think that Tanny was good but not so much anymore. I strongly believe now that Tanny is a good capologist but not GM and Rex is a brilliant defensive coordinator but not o good head coach. The future does not look bright. What are your thoughts?  frown


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...ack-of-planning

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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:08 PM

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I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:16 PM

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OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:28 PM

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Tannenbaum has to go.......he is responsible for the horrible roster depth. An argument can be made that Rex is coaching above his taletnt......but if they end up 5-11......that argument won't hold up.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:33 PM

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If we take the fans out of it and the dust settles we are still left with the facts. You can't blame the poor decisions that Rex and Tanny have made on the fans. Rex and Tanny have gone in the wrong direction and I am not even counting the Sanchez Issue. I'll give you some examples...tanny aquiring players that are not needed when there are glaring holes that are needed on the team and not rebuilding in the BEST WAY. And Rex showing poor leadership and not keeping a disciplined team in the locker room and on the field. Those are just two of the many things that are wrong. The fans have nothing to do with that.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:34 PM

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Seaver wrote: Tannenbaum has to go.......he is responsible for the horrible roster depth. An argument can be made that Rex is coaching above his taletnt......but if they end up 5-11......that argument won't hold up.

+1 AND AMEN TO THAT BROTHER.....There is someone out there that gets it.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:43 PM

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football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Yeah but the difference is that Eli was not as horrible as Sanchez and did not have Sanchez's stats. Sanchez is ranked one of, and in some categories, the worst  QB. Pennington was not at his best when he left. Many times when players change scenery, their careers are resurrected or take on new life and they get back on their feet and do well.  As far as the Jerry Reese comment...How was or is getting Tebo going to turn out to be GM succes story like Rees or not filling some of these holes we have on the team and the aging players that need to be replaced?
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Posted: 12/5/2012 3:45 PM

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OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!

If we take the fans out of it and the dust settles we are still left with the facts. You can't blame the poor decisions that Rex and Tanny have made on the fans. Rex and Tanny have gone in the wrong direction and I am not even counting the Sanchez Issue. I'll give you some examples...tanny aquiring players that are not needed when there are glaring holes that are needed on the team and not rebuilding in the BEST WAY. And Rex showing poor leadership and not keeping a disciplined team in the locker room and on the field. Those are just two of the many things that are wrong. The fans have nothing to do with that.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 4:00 PM

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football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Here is a quote from the article

"The Jets are left to start a quarterback whose body of work is extensive enough to conclusively show exactly what he is. Since 1980, there have been just three other quarterbacks selected with a top-five draft pick who have played four seasons without a passer rating above 80. The names? Rick Mirer. Tim Couch. And Joey Harrington. That's the company we're talking about here -- a handful of quarterbacks who were given every chance to succeed and never really did."

Enough said        
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Posted: 12/5/2012 4:15 PM

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brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Here is a quote from the article

"The Jets are left to start a quarterback whose body of work is extensive enough to conclusively show exactly what he is. Since 1980, there have been just three other quarterbacks selected with a top-five draft pick who have played four seasons without a passer rating above 80. The names? Rick Mirer. Tim Couch. And Joey Harrington. That's the company we're talking about here -- a handful of quarterbacks who were given every chance to succeed and never really did."

Enough said        
We got 4 playoff wins with ours(whatever percentage you want to credit Sanchez with is up to you). How many did those teams get with their top five picks?
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Posted: 12/5/2012 5:00 PM

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For the second time in their last three games, Rex has not had to answer one question about his upcoming opponent on a Wed., the first day of practive and real gameplanning.  The Jets are the only team that goes through this and only adds to their circus perception, which the media loves.  I like Rex and believe he has abilties as a coach, but way too many distractions and mishandling of QB situation under his leadership.  Players have too much power and say whatever they want.  Has Rex really improved as a coach compared to this point 3 years ago?

And looking at Jets roster talent, it's amazing that Tanhnebaum believed this team could win consistently against good teams.  His drafts have been terrible and the owner is cheap and doesn't know what he's doing and when to get invovled. 

Rex gets one more chance next season, demote Tannenbaum to cap guru, bring in GM from outside the organization with strong scouting background, and find QB to compete with Sanchez through draft/free agency.  Collect draft picks and get rid of bad team guys

 

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Posted: 12/5/2012 5:14 PM

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Kellen11Clemens wrote: For the second time in their last three games, Rex has not had to answer one question about his upcoming opponent on a Wed., the first day of practive and real gameplanning.  The Jets are the only team that goes through this and only adds to their circus perception, which the media loves.  I like Rex and believe he has abilties as a coach, but way too many distractions and mishandling of QB situation under his leadership.  Players have too much power and say whatever they want.  Has Rex really improved as a coach compared to this point 3 years ago?

And looking at Jets roster talent, it's amazing that Tanhnebaum believed this team could win consistently against good teams.  His drafts have been terrible and the owner is cheap and doesn't know what he's doing and when to get invovled. 

Rex gets one more chance next season, demote Tannenbaum to cap guru, bring in GM from outside the organization with strong scouting background, and find QB to compete with Sanchez through draft/free agency.  Collect draft picks and get rid of bad team guys

I really feel that Rex should be moved to Defensive coordinator...he is in over his head. We neen another head coach and offensive coordinator.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 5:25 PM

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football51 wrote:
brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Here is a quote from the article

"The Jets are left to start a quarterback whose body of work is extensive enough to conclusively show exactly what he is. Since 1980, there have been just three other quarterbacks selected with a top-five draft pick who have played four seasons without a passer rating above 80. The names? Rick Mirer. Tim Couch. And Joey Harrington. That's the company we're talking about here -- a handful of quarterbacks who were given every chance to succeed and never really did."

Enough said        
We got 4 playoff wins with ours(whatever percentage you want to credit Sanchez with is up to you). How many did those teams get with their top five picks?

The fact is we hid Sanchez's flaws and weaknesses with a strong running game. With no running game or if we have to rely on him or put the game in his hands 98% of the time his weaknesses, flaws and shortcomings manifest or show up. He does not get a pass for 4 playoff wins. When you look at his TOTAL body of work he is nothing more than what he is. Until he stops making these same bone-headed rooky mistakes and proves otherwise, he is in the same factual and statistical category as  Rick Mirer. Tim Couch. And Joey Harrington. as proven by never having a passer rating above 80. It is what it is...the stats dont lie.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:13 PM

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I've said it before and i'll say it again Mark Sanchez = Richard todd.  Both can look really good when they get on a roll and when they are they are BAD!!
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:27 PM

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Mark's started 65 games now in the NFL. It's not like he's a work in progress, some wet-behind-the-ears prodigy that scintillates at times and every now and then makes a mistake that he learns from. He makes the same mistakes over and over again. He says all the right things in the press conferences, but out on the field in a pressure situation, that brain cramps up and it's like history repeating.
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:46 PM

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brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Yeah but the difference is that Eli was not as horrible as Sanchez and did not have Sanchez's stats. Sanchez is ranked one of, and in some categories, the worst  QB. Pennington was not at his best when he left. Many times when players change scenery, their careers are resurrected or take on new life and they get back on their feet and do well.  As far as the Jerry Reese comment...How was or is getting Tebo going to turn out to be GM succes story like Rees or not filling some of these holes we have on the team and the aging players that need to be replaced?

Thoough since 2009 when Sanchez came into the league only one QB has turned the ball over more then Mark..... Guess who?  Yep Eli Manning... just saying
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:54 PM

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lounap23 wrote:
brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Yeah but the difference is that Eli was not as horrible as Sanchez and did not have Sanchez's stats. Sanchez is ranked one of, and in some categories, the worst  QB. Pennington was not at his best when he left. Many times when players change scenery, their careers are resurrected or take on new life and they get back on their feet and do well.  As far as the Jerry Reese comment...How was or is getting Tebo going to turn out to be GM succes story like Rees or not filling some of these holes we have on the team and the aging players that need to be replaced?

Thoough since 2009 when Sanchez came into the league only one QB has turned the ball over more then Mark..... Guess who?  Yep Eli Manning... just saying
Take a look at their completion %, passing yards, TDs, and fumbles.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 2:00 AM

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lounap23 wrote:
brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Yeah but the difference is that Eli was not as horrible as Sanchez and did not have Sanchez's stats. Sanchez is ranked one of, and in some categories, the worst  QB. Pennington was not at his best when he left. Many times when players change scenery, their careers are resurrected or take on new life and they get back on their feet and do well.  As far as the Jerry Reese comment...How was or is getting Tebo going to turn out to be GM succes story like Rees or not filling some of these holes we have on the team and the aging players that need to be replaced?

Thoough since 2009 when Sanchez came into the league only one QB has turned the ball over more then Mark..... Guess who?  Yep Eli Manning... just saying
Yeah but Eli had turned his career around in his fouth year and all the nonsense stopped. Pluss Eli has two Super bowl rings. When do we stop making excuses for this kid. He is what he is. Mark Sanchez is going on now what is his fifth season....count it...fifth...because this one is over and in the books. The kid will have been here for half a decade come next season....count it...half of ten years! Its like Charlie Brown waiting for the great pumpkin in that Holloween cartoon special. Poor charlie Brown wastes his time believing and waiting for the  great pumpkin in the pumkin patch instead of going trick-or-treating  and the great pumkin never shows up. We have to stop waiting for the "great pumpin," which is Mark Sanchez, to show up cause he never will. We should be spending our time elsewhere.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:20 AM

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lounap23 wrote:
brid0001 wrote:
football51 wrote:
OleDrewBudd wrote: I still like the tandem, I'm looking for Rex to get another QB for next year and a new offensive staff to boot.

If organizations listened to irrational fans, Coughlin wouldn't have won the SB last year!
Or in 2007. Everyone had him fired and Eli packing his bags too. Last year, the media claimed Jerry Reese set the team up to fail losing wr Smith & te Boss among others. The media goes whichever way the wind blows. The media and fans abused Pennington here at the end only to glorify him when he changed uniforms.
Yeah but the difference is that Eli was not as horrible as Sanchez and did not have Sanchez's stats. Sanchez is ranked one of, and in some categories, the worst  QB. Pennington was not at his best when he left. Many times when players change scenery, their careers are resurrected or take on new life and they get back on their feet and do well.  As far as the Jerry Reese comment...How was or is getting Tebo going to turn out to be GM succes story like Rees or not filling some of these holes we have on the team and the aging players that need to be replaced?

Thoough since 2009 when Sanchez came into the league only one QB has turned the ball over more then Mark..... Guess who?  Yep Eli Manning... just saying
Yeah but Eli had turned his career around in his fouth year and all the nonsense stopped. Pluss Eli has two Super bowl rings. When do we stop making excuses for this kid. He is what he is. Mark Sanchez is going on now what is his fifth season....count it...fifth...because this one is over and in the books. The kid will have been here for half a decade come next season....count it...half of ten years! Its like Charlie Brown waiting for the great pumpkin in that Holloween cartoon special. Poor charlie Brown wastes his time believing and waiting for the  great pumpkin in the pumkin patch instead of going trick-or-treating  and the great pumkin never shows up. We have to stop waiting for the "great pumpin," which is Mark Sanchez, to show up cause he never will. We should be spending our time elsewhere.

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He tuned it around game 16 in the loss to the Pats. Articles from NoV and Dec have Eli calling for Eli to get benched and calling him a bust

www.nydailynews.com/sports/foo...rticle-1.275215

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After losing to their division rivals the Dallas Cowboys in week 9,[48] New York Giants co-owner John Mara publicly questioned Manning's ability to lead the New York Giants in 2007 but more importantly in the future:[49]
“The only thing we evaluate is 'Can we win with this guy?' That's the one thing. When we talk about any player at the end of the season, the No.1 question is 'Will he help us win?' And to take it one step further, 'Can we win a championship with this guy?'”
After a week of criticism in the New York media and being outplayed by Tony Romo, Manning had a bounce-back victory versus their conference wildcard competitors the Detroit Lions.[50] Manning managed to throw for 283 yards and 1 touchdown but most importantly, no interceptions in a critical road game.[51][52]
The following week in a 41-17 loss to the Minnesota Vikings, Manning threw four interceptions and had three of them returned for touchdowns.[53] He continued to struggle until the last game of the season, against the 15-0 New England Patriots. With a playoff spot secured, the Giants could have rested their starters for the playoffs, but they instead chose to keep in the regulars and attempt to stop New England's quest for an undefeated regular season.[54] The Giants lost 38-35, with Manning completing 22 of 32 passes for 252 yards, with four touchdowns and one interception.

I don't believe in Sanchez anymore. But hey Eli was in a similar boat inhis 4th yr. so you never know
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:03 AM

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Article summarizes the quandry Jets are in PERFECTLY.

Sanchez's pre-nfl accuracy and completion percentage DID raise some eyebrows but the fact he was coming out early meant some of it could be overlooked.

Team's immediate success helped overlook Sanchez's poor overall rating as it was deemed to be a rookie or first year player.

Then the team didn't help him in his third year because it was a REACTIONARY roster (had to win to respond to Giant's SB win and pressure of new Stadium). Once the rag-tag roster turned over, lots of talent walked out that had been holding the team together and Sanchez's flaws couldn't be masked and once he was put in position to carry the team, he couldn't.

Then Jet's filled the glaring holes only with bravado and hot air. Whatever confidence Sanchez had left from his and team's success in first two year was completely shattered with teams' flirtations with Peyton Manning and then MASKING that failure by going for headlines and acquiring Tim Tebow with NO ACTUAL effort and planning to truly use him.

Now in addition to already known HOLES (OL, WR, TE, OLB, FS), couple of CRITICAL skilled positions that team thought were already filled for few years down the road (QB and RB), appear to have turned into new holes.

These are huge problems.

Seems like long-term planning is required.....and it may be be going on in background as with last year's draft Jets did solve DE and ILB and at least one WR position.

So don't believe Rex is the issue and don't think Tannebaum is completely lost at sea.....but rhetoric certainly needs adjustment. There is no point in convincing themselves, or team or fans that Jets are serious contender for SB. Once REALITY IS ACCEPTED.......planning and execution may become easier.

JMO.
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