What a predictable flow of dribble and drivel.    Fire Sheridan,  Fire  Gilbride,   Reese is a dunce, Pierce can't play,  we are ill prepared and playing with no heart.....etc. etc.  ..........I haven't heard a "bring back Fassel ", yet but it's only a question of time. 

  It is more appropriate to question the Mets in this season of extraordinary injuries than the Giants,  because the current met coaching staff has never produced a winner.  And note ..."more appropriate" is not the same as "appropriate".  

      Oh to be a coach and the universal scapegoat.   Posters / fans universally overrate their own , they universally undervalue the other guys.   Then when things go wrong their flawed logic gives them no choice and they blame the same personnel that's brought us a remarkable four years of playoffs and a thrilling wonderful superbowl along the way.

   Lombardi/  Paul Brown /  Landry  could not win with this decimated defense.   I'm prepared to question whether coaching methods contributed to those injuries, but disregarding that, let's just slow down and look at what's missing from the defensive side.

   Alford........who would have helped enormously with push from the middle

   Bernard, Colefield and Robbins...........all playing with icompromsing injuries.

    Tuck and Osi.............see above

    Canty, Simtir, Boley and Ross

    And here's the big one...........the emerging impact player at a positon that's very thin ...Phillips.

The loss of Phillips is magnified in my judgement by the loss of Ross.   Phillips was both a sure tackling run stopper who also ate up distance and was gifted in coverage.   I believe that with a healthy Ross Thomas could go to safety and while he wouldn't be great, he's an NFL quality player and replaces CC Brown - a man who could make Fort Know look weak and penetrable.   

    The sky has fallen,.............. but we can rebound.     Tuck and Osi have to play better and it's reasonable to assume they can.   Boley has to come back and provide missing speed and coverage.   Simtir might be  a situational player for now , but a situational player who can can stand as the missing primer paint  that covers up stains and imperfection in a wormwood's patina.   An increased pass rush can do that........can cover up alot of stains and imperfections.     Let's hope Ross comes back and two positions are significantly improved with the alacrity of a wiley leprechaun's  snap of the fingers. 

   So we struggle.   We beat Atlanta, we limp along and we get in as a wildcard, but we get healthy (or healthier).   Oh my,  but that gives four on the road, has that ever been done before.??  

Grizz,

I think you're shooting buckshot at a pheasant; and I respectfully disagree.

I think a lot of the "dribble & drivel" you mention is emotion from the unfortunate turn of events.  I've noticed that there is a much greater contribution of observations and facts that support these positions.  Of course there is the occassional outburst of emotion, but that is far and away the MINORITY of comment.

IMHO, It's unfair to paint a broad stroke of the current situation.  For the overwhelming majority of posts, there is an analysis of what is happening and recommendations on solutions.  I hope that everyone will feel that their contributions are welcomed and for those that understand the game and can contribute greater depth & knowledge, please feel welcomed (always!) to improve the knowledge of the fan base.

Just my opinion...

Every team in the NFL has starters on IR and people playing with injuries and the good teams win games with the personal they have.  And, no matter how you spin it, the players on the field being as unprepared as the Giants defense was and the inability to play basic zone defense is a direct reflection of poor coaching. 

What’s most predictable is your over-reactive, pejorative thread to a few emotional posts and your man-love for Bill Sheridan.

Good post Grizz.  There is an ebb and flow to every season and every coaching regime.  Relax everyone.  It's not the end. 

jimmyzzzz wrote:

Good post Grizz.  There is an ebb and flow to every season and every coaching regime.  Relax everyone.  It's not the end. 

 

 

Just something to think about; in the entire history of the NFL only 2 teams have made the post season after dropping 3 in a row after a 5 and 0 start - the '97 Bucks and the '89 Rams.

schwa wrote:

 

jimmyzzzz wrote:

Good post Grizz.  There is an ebb and flow to every season and every coaching regime.  Relax everyone.  It's not the end. 

 

 

Just something to think about; in the entire history of the NFL only 2 teams have made the post season after dropping 3 in a row after a 5 and 0 start - the '97 Bucks and the '89 Rams.

So this season we may suck.  Should we blow it all up and rebuild?

Grizz299 wrote:

   ..........I haven't heard a "bring back Fassel ", yet but it's only a question of time.  

 

      Bring back Fassel !!!!!!!!

jimmyzzzz wrote:

 

schwa wrote:

 

jimmyzzzz wrote:

Good post Grizz.  There is an ebb and flow to every season and every coaching regime.  Relax everyone.  It's not the end. 

 

 

Just something to think about; in the entire history of the NFL only 2 teams have made the post season after dropping 3 in a row after a 5 and 0 start - the '97 Bucks and the '89 Rams.

So this season we may suck.  Should we blow it all up and rebuild?

No , just  SHOW UP and PLAY , not  SHOW UP and TRY  !!!

in the entire history of the NFL only 2 teams have made the post season after dropping 3 in a row after a 5 and 0 start - the '97 Bucks and the '89 Rams.

 I bet an awful lot of teams have made it that were 5-2 after seven games.   And that's what's relevant...besides  I wasn't  predicting that we'd make - though I still think we could.   The point is that we ought not to be throwing out a coaching staff that's givien us a good run.

    And as far as teams winning against injuries.............Doesn't happen, not against the depth of injuries we've suffered on the defensive side of the board.  

    And as far as being perjorative..............sorry you took it that way.  I didn't attack nor mention anyone ,  I simply stated that this is basically a good staff and that it's not over until it's over. 

Grizz299 wrote:

 

schwa wrote:

 

in the entire history of the NFL only 2 teams have made the post season after dropping 3 in a row after a 5 and 0 start - the '97 Bucks and the '89 Rams.

 

 I bet an awful lot of teams have made it that were 5-2 after seven games.   And that's what's relevant...besides  I wasn't  predicting that we'd make - though I still think we could.   The point is that we ought not to be throwing out a coaching staff that's givien us a good run.

 

    And as far as teams winning against injuries.............Doesn't happen, not against the depth of injuries we've suffered on the defensive side of the board.  

 

    And as far as being perjorative..............sorry you took it that way.  I didn't attack nor mention anyone ,  I simply stated that this is basically a good staff and that it's not over until it's over. 

I'm curious how many teams have started 5-0 and dropped 3 in a row.  It's only a meaningful stat if there is a large pool of examples to look at. 

  Also... I don't know where you come up with the fact that I'm staunchly defending or have a "man crush " on Sheridan comes from either.   I simply feel that he can't be judged against the amount of injuries he's had.  

    And I , along with you,  think there's real reason to be concerned and real problems.   But I also hear a cacophony of "We're not prepared",  our schemes stink and even "TC should be retired.  If respectfully disagreeing with that make me inflamatory and perjorative then that's your opinion.

There is something being lost in the translation of a 5-3 record.  That's not a bad record, but the trend established by the poor performance in the last three games (two blowouts and a choke) is unanswered. 

The Giants have got a real test with the Chargers.  If they can address the execution and adjustment issues, 6-3 is pretty sweet...  If they don't and go 5-4 the problems magnify.  The real key for me is to see the defense begin to gel.  The Giants are not a team that can go toe-to-toe offensively with a team like the Chargers.  If the Giants defense plays like they did against New Orleans and Philadelphia, the parking lot will be empty by halftime and the Giants will have the worst bye week of the Coughlin era.

I'm not sure getting Boley, Canty and Ross back will make the pass rush, tackling, play calling or just the overall effort of these players better.  And, if as you suggest that the loss of 1 second year player in Kenny Philips is the biggest reason for this disastrous defense then the Giants are bigger trouble than I imagined.

Yes ebb and flow happen but this team was 12 and 4 last year, during that season they beat every team in the NFC and AFC championship games and in the off season appeared to get much better so fans naturally assumed that they would be in any game with any team.  This was supposed to be THE YEAR.  Next year the Giants defense will go through some serious changes will not have Cofield, Robbins or Pierce.  Meaning that there will be many more off season needs than this past year.  In my mind 2010 was supposed to be an ebb year.

BamaBlue wrote:

Grizz,

 

I think you're shooting buckshot at a pheasant; and I respectfully disagree.

 

I think a lot of the "dribble & drivel" you mention is emotion from the unfortunate turn of events.  I've noticed that there is a much greater contribution of observations and facts that support these positions.  Of course there is the occassional outburst of emotion, but that is far and away the MINORITY of comment.

 

IMHO, It's unfair to paint a broad stroke of the current situation.  For the overwhelming majority of posts, there is an analysis of what is happening and recommendations on solutions.  I hope that everyone will feel that their contributions are welcomed and for those that understand the game and can contribute greater depth & knowledge, please feel welcomed (always!) to improve the knowledge of the fan base.

 

Just my opinion...

Thank You Bama! That feels ggod to read that after some of the slings and arrows I suffered for bringing up all the points people are whining about now. bama you have been quiet towards me lately, I was worried I had done something wrong. I know you are a great football mind andyou were feeling a lot of the things I was saying... well, now it's all out in the open.

First off, for my second year in a row- a apology to Grizz for dissing his beloved Eagles. I am for once really at a loss for words. The last time this happened I was being told I needed a language credit to graduate college.

My rosatia has busted out all over my face from the Giant stress, indeed my skin is pale and flakey and old looking like Coughlin's now. My lower back is killing me. Not ten minutes of sleep last night, I kid you not.

Watching the game with my wife was a comedy. First I forgot my pipe downstairs and when I came back we were down seven nothing. Then she warmed up a sandwhich- litterally six minutes -and it was 13, neither of us had seen much. When we folded the laundry we missed the Hixon fumble.

I have not felt like this way watching the Giants since the Kerry Collins days. When watching the games it's always hope and prayer in my head... ok maybe they'll fumble... maybe they will throw an interception... maybe we will bust a return... it's all hope... no facts. I'm not happy watching. I don't see hopefull effort from the guys, I'm, just sitting there hoping because I'm desperate.

We have a new stadium next year folks. If we continue to lose that will come with Bil Cowher. Is that such a bad thing? I'm torn. From what I've seen we can't hold a candle to either the Saints or the Eagles and probably not the Patriots or Colts... so what's the point? Hope they all should get injuries?

Eddie NYG now says the Charger game is the must game. We'll go through this charade again. Maybe I was a game quick... but for a layed back board, suddenly I sense a desperation we all should of had early LAST week.

What could we have done better? maybe the only thing is tackle on special teams. Those long returns are killing us.

& Kept Ward. Yes We used to rotate and STILL GET BRADSHAW HIS CARRIES!! The whole roation is ruined without Ward and the Giants are going one back when hey used to show two... a simple $ decision by Reese... money given to Rocky Bernard. It's almost time to go through the last two drafts and free agents and see just how well Mr Reese has done.

We threw 1 screen pass. There was a playfake that I saw-- it worked but Eli still got pressured. I have a theory on Eli and I'm only slightly kidding. I have seen in a series of photos starting with one in the Times when he was getting sacked by the Saints-- THIS ISN'T ELI!!! Look carefully at the face... there's a double chin there. In another photo of  Eli, he is sitting on the ground and a third of him on the sidelines-- all three of these the figure looks different. The body different and the face different, the posture different everything... " he's back to looking stupid again.... " that's my wife flitting through with another pile of laundry. She's right suddenly Eli looks like old Eli, the only difference being we gave him $100 mln to look this way.

These throws by Eli lets call a spade a spade- they're right into coverage, he's not seeing the field at all... have The Saints thrown out a blueprint for beating us and that bluepront is a simple confusing of our QB? The pace of the offense, the highness of the throws, the interceptions by Eli-- what does it mean?

On Pierce. I don't know if it's ironically because he was the only guy in position each time but he had the worst game of his life.

The Eagles players comments on CC and our saftey dellema were withering...they knew... they were waiting. Having a corner and a safety out has provided a degree of grief for us no doubt something our PP team couldn't of anticipated. Perhaps more troubling than the fact that Reese chose CC and Rouse as replacements is the fact that everyone else is regressing so...

There is a film clip circulating, I don't have it yet,  it's the Rams lockeroom after  they finally won. I want to see it because I hear in it you can see the love the team has for Spags.... I contrast that with this Frankenstein Sheridan... remember Mr Talky last week? Well he's in deep cover won't say a peep till thursday. The players don't like him; we the fans don't like him; now mangement can't like him.... and then  there's Gilbride.

It's gratifying to see the mass agreement now on the coaching; outcoached severely for three games now... did you all see how every time we blitzed the eagles went to the quick pass? They had the right call for everyone of our fronts. We show no originality.

Coughlin looks weak to me. He looks confused. Has he outsourced more of the coaching than usual? He's just as surprised out there as we are and that's a problem. ~stoney

Stoney... I'm sorry that you thought I was being inattentive to you.

To make up for that, I'm now sending you a great big Cyber man-hug!  Maybe that is the missing piece of karmic harmony that will fix the fortunes for Big Blue and restore order to the faithful at BBWC... we'll see.  One game at a time.

  a man hug for Stoney... Oh god.   Three losses and folks are losing their minds.   This never happened when Fassel was here.

Grizz299 wrote:

  a man hug for Stoney... Oh god.   Three losses and folks are losing their minds.   This never happened when Fassel was here.

Grizz... we're going to have to put some of the BBWC brain power to work.  They're going to have to figure-out how to make you a more happy and centered.  Lately, there's just no pleasing you...