Specificly in the second half? I still don't get it. Did they say F-it we lost and just tried to keep it close by running so much? Did they lose faith in Eli during the game? I still can't understand what they were thinking. What was the point of the onside kick? They get it and take four minutes off the clock to get the score? I guess the D needed a rest but what about the rest of the fourth quarter? I'm more disappointed in that than anything else. I really felt as if they gave up or lost total faith in Eli to make a play.

Eli played awful, but why leave him in and handcuff the team? Either bench him or go for the win. Maybe I'm just thinking too much. Damn this lost hurt.

someone on this board said that they had Webster returning punts in the 4th quarter! i didnt see it because i turned the game off in the 3rd quarter but what is going through their minds to put one of our best defensive players out there returning kicks where injuries happen all the time? there should be some concern about that.

What coaching?

It was bafflling that they were  coaching like they were ahead 33-7. Moose should've left the booth and taken over, at least he seemed interested in trying to make the game competitive. Don't really know what the Giants were doing.

ToneDeaf wrote:

someone on this board said that they had Webster returning punts in the 4th quarter! i didnt see it because i turned the game off in the 3rd quarter but what is going through their minds to put one of our best defensive players out there returning kicks where injuries happen all the time? there should be some concern about that.

Yeah they did that was foolish

I don't think it was Eli as much as it was the receivers.  Teams are doubling Smith or covering him with their best d-back and the other receivers aren't getting separation or open that often.  Nicks is good but he's still a rookie, Manningham is hurt and Moss, Hixon and #80 are barly serviceable receivers in the NFL.

It’s easy to criticize the QB when he throws to guys completely covered but when the receivers can’t get open the QB can’t throw the ball out of bounds on every pass play he’s got to try and make something happen or then the coach can just say lets run the ball.

The problem is not Eli (fully).  It is the coaching.  Other teams picked up on the Omaha and the 1 second on the clock thing, sure.  That's just the most obvious of the "tells".  The defenses have all learned to turn Eli's strength into a weakness.  Eli is brilliant as far as QBs go.  He sees the field and dissects the defense very quickly.  Prior to the Saints game, the defenses showed one front.  Eli would read it and audible to the appropriate play (run or pass) and that would make himself and the team look great.  The Saints (and everyone since and everyone else to come, presumably) decided to disguise their coverages and blitzes by moving and causing Eli to check down and out and back into plays until there's no time left.  The problem is that the other teams have all adopted this but Gilbride has not changed Eli's assignment and, it appears, his audibles.

Look, if you send me to the line of scrimmage with the play, an audible that is opposite the main call (pass if the main call is run, or vice versa), and one hot read then you've sent me unprepared. 

How many times have defenses adjusted to make Eli audible, only to re-adjust themselves right before the snap, causing them to be in perfect position to stop the, now defunct, audible?  If I can see that then so should Gilbride and he should be coaching his offense to do something different.  I'm not the coach so I can't tell you what that something should be but how about a fake audible and then run the original play?  Catch the defense in their own trap?  It's like Gilbride walks onto the field with whatever gameplan he made for Philadelphia last year and hopes it works (and will run with it regardless of whether or not it works).  He's like an old, tenured teacher with lesson plans all drawn up and he just uses them over and over and doesn't put in the time ito modernize them.

As for Sheridan, I'm not even sure he understands football, period.

I say they stay in the huddle until 10 seconds then walk up to the LOS and set, go somewhere between 2 and 6 seconds.  Go with the play that was called and make it work (unless it's obvious that you have a huge mismatch that could get a big, sure gain).

I did want to mention, however, that Eli did stink today and the O-line is having a terrible time protecting.  Jacobs ran a bit better than usual but still too soft for the man he's shown himself to be over the past couple years.  Smith and Nicks are the only 2 WR that can catch and Boss is going to die this season, but he'll do it clutching a poorly thrown ball.

The defense is just atrocious and I know it's not personnel.

This team has constantly overachieved and played with tons of heart over the last couple years.  I fear that the heart is beginning to studder and this group of over-achievers are being made to look more akin to who they really are.

I really don't believe it is the coaching. It is the execution or lack there of in all phases. TC didn't get stupid or lazy in a few weeks. I believe they are prepared but if you get beat physically or allow guys to run unchecked, that is execution.

Last edited 11/2/2009 12:35 PM by expatriot

ToneDeaf wrote:

someone on this board said that they had Webster returning punts in the 4th quarter! i didnt see it because i turned the game off in the 3rd quarter but what is going through their minds to put one of our best defensive players out there returning kicks where injuries happen all the time? there should be some concern about that.

It's true they did it and at the time I was screaming WTF. But Hixon and Moss were both injured and out at the time and I guess Webby is the #3 punt returner.

expatriot wrote:

I really don't believe it is the coaching.

We have no sense of urgency from the start of the 2nd half until there is 4 minutes to go in the game at which time the game is out of reach.  THEN we go to the hurry-up.  ???????

Who's to blame for that baffling strategy if not the coaches?

I am just sooooooooooooooooooooooo sick of Gilbride's offense. 

I posted this yesterday in the game thread....I really think Gilbride believes there is a NFL rule that states if try an unsuccessful pass play on 1st down, you have to run on 2nd down. 

hcgiles wrote:

I really think Gilbride believes there is a NFL rule that states if try an unsuccessful pass play on 1st down, you have to run on 2nd down. 

I agree 100%.  Since several of my friends and I are separated by significant distance, we watch the Giants games "together" while while on a conference call.  If Eli goes incomplete on first down, in unison we say, "2nd and 10 run coming." 

MickW wrote:

 

We have no sense of urgency from the start of the 2nd half until there is 4 minutes to go in the game at which time the game is out of reach.  THEN we go to the hurry-up.  ???????

 

Who's to blame for that baffling strategy if not the coaches?

+1

Remember the lack of urgency the O showed when we lost to Philly in January?  This is a very real problem and it rests with the coaching.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index...y_giants_b.html

I got this off of BBI.  It's Garafolo's article about the latest turn of events.

He really roasts Sheridan towards the end of the article.  Actually he pretty much roasts everyone except Osi and Boss.

If Moss is out, why not activate Rashad off the practice squad, and give him some game time if Brown continues playing the same way next week.  He couldn't be worse...could he?

The coaching has been inept and predictable,it looked like the Saints, Cards and iglets had been handed a copy of the game plan. How bout we mix it up a little, you know a reverse a fake punt a flee flicker or maybe a fake field goal... hell we see other teams do it and have success! but no thats not Giant football... what a load of crap

Ekoostik wrote:

The problem is not Eli (fully).  It is the coaching.  Other teams picked up on the Omaha and the 1 second on the clock thing, sure.  That's just the most obvious of the "tells".  The defenses have all learned to turn Eli's strength into a weakness.  Eli is brilliant as far as QBs go.  He sees the field and dissects the defense very quickly.  Prior to the Saints game, the defenses showed one front.  Eli would read it and audible to the appropriate play (run or pass) and that would make himself and the team look great.  The Saints (and everyone since and everyone else to come, presumably) decided to disguise their coverages and blitzes by moving and causing Eli to check down and out and back into plays until there's no time left.  The problem is that the other teams have all adopted this but Gilbride has not changed Eli's assignment and, it appears, his audibles.

 

Look, if you send me to the line of scrimmage with the play, an audible that is opposite the main call (pass if the main call is run, or vice versa), and one hot read then you've sent me unprepared.

 

How many times have defenses adjusted to make Eli audible, only to re-adjust themselves right before the snap, causing them to be in perfect position to stop the, now defunct, audible?  If I can see that then so should Gilbride and he should be coaching his offense to do something different.  I'm not the coach so I can't tell you what that something should be but how about a fake audible and then run the original play?  Catch the defense in their own trap?  It's like Gilbride walks onto the field with whatever gameplan he made for Philadelphia last year and hopes it works (and will run with it regardless of whether or not it works).  He's like an old, tenured teacher with lesson plans all drawn up and he just uses them over and over and doesn't put in the time ito modernize them.

 

As for Sheridan, I'm not even sure he understands football, period.

 

 

I say they stay in the huddle until 10 seconds then walk up to the LOS and set, go somewhere between 2 and 6 seconds.  Go with the play that was called and make it work (unless it's obvious that you have a huge mismatch that could get a big, sure gain).

 

 

 

I did want to mention, however, that Eli did stink today and the O-line is having a terrible time protecting.  Jacobs ran a bit better than usual but still too soft for the man he's shown himself to be over the past couple years.  Smith and Nicks are the only 2 WR that can catch and Boss is going to die this season, but he'll do it clutching a poorly thrown ball.

 

The defense is just atrocious and I know it's not personnel.

 

 

This team has constantly overachieved and played with tons of heart over the last couple years.  I fear that the heart is beginning to studder and this group of over-achievers are being made to look more akin to who they really are.

This is the best post of the weekend. I am in tears both literally and figuratively. Both for how good this post is and how bad our team was yesterday... the line about Boss is Classic!

Again games like that you have certain amount of plays on your call sheet based on your gameplan. So if you are a balanced team perhaps more so running than throwing, then your call sheet will have more running plays. So when you're getting blown out like that, it sucks, because your call sheet is made up of more running plays which don't fit the situation of the game. You obviously can't keep running the same passing plays you have because that will get noticed and bad things can happen. That's football! Again, this is not a video game, where you can cycle through your whole playbook and pick plays.