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Am I the only NFL, football fan, unhappy with football today!

Posted: 8/23/2014 8:30 PM

Am I the only NFL, football fan, unhappy with football today! 


This is a subject that has been 'bounced' around a few Giant forums.

I think this is an opportunity for the fans to tell the NFL their 'grievances'.

I think the game has too many commercials. I also think the officiating is taking over the game.

I'm starting to feel the NFL is treating me like a 'tool'.
Anyone else unhappy?

Started watching games in 1956. Now I never watch a game that doesn't involve the Giants.
And where I'd plan my Sunday around the game, today I don't care as much.

I hate the NFL station, something that I loved when it first came on. I hate all of their 'bull ****'
charity work. I find it phoney!  I thought the Last Boy Scout was hype, now I'm thinking football
is losing it's appeal because it is filled with hype. It originally was a masculine activity that is now ashamed of its masculinity.

I'd rather watch the weather than NFL AM. Too slick and sterotype for my taste.
Listening to a woman, talk 'football ****' is embarssing. I feel so sorry for her.

I don't expect NFL too be of a higher standard. But I find it interesting. Who is making the decisions
for NFL future. And they must have a vision, just curious what it is. Some how the vision of Rollerball
without the violence resonates with me. Something like dodgeball without the ball.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 9:23 PM

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Just my opinion? It's become over-saturated in an attempt to gain complete and total dominance over the sports world. It is number one in the United States by a huge margin, and yet that is not enough, they want to expand internationally now and have a team in London? That makes NO sense. They don't care about the NFL that much in London. Does the NFL think that English are going to prefer football over soccer? Never happen!

And yes the commercials are insane. Its just not a few of us, I hear about it at work and other places. People are just so sick of the massive amount of commercials and constant stops in the action. Between injury timeouts, TV timeouts (after scores, kickoffs and quarters) and replay challenges, viewers are watching more commercials than actual game time.

I usually Tivo Giants games now and then start watching about half an hour after the game starts. That way I can forward through commercials, and you know what? I usually catch up by halftime. Sometimes I will wait a whole hour and then start the game and I usually catch up by the end of the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter.

The game itself is becoming less and less likeable. The insane amount of penalties, the favoring of offense over defense, the inability to hit anybody hard anymore, its all just taken away a lot of what most of us grew up enjoying. The physicality of football is what sets it apart from other sports. I don't care what anyone tells me, games from the '80s and '90s were far better than today's games. The players seemed to care more and the games were a lot more fun to watch. I am all for safety, but the way I look at it is that football is a dangerous sport and if men are willing to play it and take the risk of their own health then I'll watch it.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/23/2014 9:58 PM

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leagued wrote: Just my opinion? It's become over-saturated in an attempt to gain complete and total dominance over the sports world. It is number one in the United States by a huge margin, and yet that is not enough, they want to expand internationally now and have a team in London? That makes NO sense. They don't care about the NFL that much in London. Does the NFL think that English are going to prefer football over soccer? Never happen!

And yes the commercials are insane. Its just not a few of us, I hear about it at work and other places. People are just so sick of the massive amount of commercials and constant stops in the action. Between injury timeouts, TV timeouts (after scores, kickoffs and quarters) and replay challenges, viewers are watching more commercials than actual game time.

I usually Tivo Giants games now and then start watching about half an hour after the game starts. That way I can forward through commercials, and you know what? I usually catch up by halftime. Sometimes I will wait a whole hour and then start the game and I usually catch up by the end of the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter.

The game itself is becoming less and less likeable. The insane amount of penalties, the favoring of offense over defense, the inability to hit anybody hard anymore, its all just taken away a lot of what most of us grew up enjoying. The physicality of football is what sets it apart from other sports. I don't care what anyone tells me, games from the '80s and '90s were far better than today's games. The players seemed to care more and the games were a lot more fun to watch. I am all for safety, but the way I look at it is that football is a dangerous sport and if men are willing to play it and take the risk of their own health then I'll watch it.

I think you may have stated better than me!
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:52 PM

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Team scores a touchdown. They go to commercial for 5 minutes. They kick the ball off and go back to commercial. It's really becoming annoying...

WAY too many penalties as well.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 11:04 PM

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I agree about the commercials and I hate when the penalties disrupt the flow of the game. I also do not like the favoritism shown towards the offense.  With that said, with a few exceptions it still takes defense to win championships.  As far as women being interested in the game goes, I think that is great.  My youngest daughter is a huge  3rd generation Giants fan and this forum  was started by a female.  

As far as the safety of the game goes, I agree with the effort that the NFL is making to protect players from themselves.  Particularly in the area of concussions.  Over and above concussions there are a lot of cheap shots taken during the game and that needs to be minimized.  

If the NFL can eventually create additional divisions or better leagues in Europe and elsewhere, so be it.  My only concern would be the furthering of the overall watering down of the quality of NFL football.  I think the league already has too many teams.  They probably should not have expanded beyone 24 teams.  However that would mean 8 cities would not have an NFL team which has huge consequences to those cities and to the 400+ players that would not be in the NFL.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 11:23 PM

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leagued wrote:

The physicality of football is what sets it apart from other sports. I don't care what anyone tells me, games from the '80s and '90s were far better than today's games. The players seemed to care more and the games were a lot more fun to watch. I am all for safety, but the way I look at it is that football is a dangerous sport and if men are willing to play it and take the risk of their own health then I'll watch it.
I would've agreed with this years ago but everything changed when people like Junior Seau, Dave Duerson, Andre Waters, Shane Dronett and others started committing suicide. All of these guys' brains were studied post-mortem and found to have CTE due to repeated head trauma.

There are dozens of former players being diagnosed with CTE. Our own Harry Carson and Leonard Marshall are experiencing symptoms consistent with CTE. The league had to act to protect the players (or at least to protect the league's liability). There is no other way.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:17 AM

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About 25 years ago we had a local cable company here in the upstate NY tri lakes area called Resort Cable.  Every Giant preseason and regular season game was televised.  Of course Resort was bought by Adelphia who went bankrupt and we now have Time Warner (soon to be Comcast), Directv, Dishtv, or a couple satellite providers.  The big providers decided that Tupper Lake should be part of the Vermont area so the Patriots are always shown.  I think one of the early season games will be unavailable here because of that.  I had a free season of the Sunday Ticket on Directv and decided not to renew it.  I am really only interested in Giant games so the extra $240 to see one game was not worth it to me.  Besides, the commercials and promos are ridiculous on every game you watch on Sunday Ticket.  It was not uncommon to see 3 live games and 5 games with commercials  running.

The last few years I have wondered why I sit through a game that is an afterthought to all of the product commercials and promos.  23 years ago was a lot more fun for fans like me to watch a game than today is.  This year  I am going to dvr the games and either start watching them an hour or so later or at a later date if I watch them at all.  I agree that the NFL network is pretty much unwatchable as is a lot of ESPN offerings.  Watching  games has really become a challenge with the constant interruptions caused by over officiating and product promotions.  

So, yes I am unhappy with football today and it is not because of the game, it is because of everything other than the game....
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:37 PM

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I also have a beef with the announcers. They can never shut up and what they say is usually either something
the could be quoted by Capt Obvious or is something so embarrsingly moronic, the chills run down my back.

I watched an old game from '86 on youtube. The announcing team realized that the game was on the field/screen
and didn't require attempts at moronic humor or mind expanding social commentary about the human condition.
Quess what, I know the human condition. I don't need ex-atheletes or 3rd rate show business performers to enlighten
me. I'm there for the game, not them. The team of Summeral and Madden made the game more interesting, without
'stepping' on the game.

Lastly, why do challenges require 2 minutes analysis by ref's. Look at the play and if you can't make an immediate
decision, then let the play stand. Thirty seconds is all it should take to recognize an obviously blown call.

Football has turned into a game of lawyers, talkers, analysors, referees, caps, ff and beer companies.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:40 PM

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Not the same game now as when the the Giants won that first SB. Horribly poor product on display in 2014. For all those reasons listed. Add how it is so important for a dance made by a tackler even though his team is down by 21 in the 4th. Give me the radio play by play any day. I too tape and cut out all the crap. The NFL network could easily be the worst network airing in America today. E$pin runs a close second though.  And that is saying a lot. Must be nepotism at its finest.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:11 PM

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I hate all the penalties being called.  Now if you hit a guy too hard you get a 15 yard roughing penalty.  I saw two hits in games this past week, that look good hard hits, yet a roughing penalty was called.  Makes me think this is getting to be touch football.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:13 AM

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when they actually play the game it is great . when you can watch a team go on a 10-12 play drive without commercials (but i dont think that happens anymore)
and yes the commercials are too many and too long.
nfl and their corporate tie-ins are crazy, do they actually think if Im watching a game and there are 12 commercials for Ford trucks Im going to buy one (Im not)

nfl network is a shill for the nfl, nothing more.
its an odd show that AM show, 3 black retired players all dressed in their $3000 suits (or more) which are a promo from some clothier (watch the credits at the end)(warddrobe by....) and they sit their with the young white woman in a mini mini dress with long long legs who chimes in from her hand held cue cards...she actually has a writer because she doesnt know....

if nfl network shows a 1 hr show profiling a player or coach its interesting.
if they show an old game , like the immaculate recption and have a hour special on it, its good .

But I also do not watch other games anymore..I dont bet and really have no interest, just in passing.

I attend most home games, and away games watch on hdtv.

thursday games, monday night games , other teams I dont know or care about....nah.

and I never ever buy anyones jersey anymore...I think if you do, your a real sucker.
Ill buy new NYG Teesand sweatshirts...but I dont spend a lot anymore on stuff.
a giant winter jacket with leather sleeves is $675...is the nike logo in gold ????

in conclusion, too many commercials, too many stoppages, they still cant do replay fast as we all see it on our iPhones.

and penalties, while a part of the game have become the death nell as far as watching and slowing the game. the officials should have a clock on them to place the ball down and get the game moving too.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:40 AM

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Not watching pregames, the NFL Network or ESPN helped me. I found the games a let down if i listened to the phony pregame everything.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:43 PM

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I think the NFL needs to be careful or they could ruin itself.  I agree with a lot of the above sentiment. 

I would do the following if I was the NFL:

1.) Get rid of Thursday Night Football --  Teams are at a disadvantage getting ready for the opponent and the players recovery time suffers in between games.  The only time football should be played on Thursday's is on Thanksgiving!

2.) 12:00, 3:00 and 6:30 PM Sunday Football -- Sunday Night Football gets over at 11 and later on Sunday Nights.  People have to get up for work the next day. Kids have to go to school and can't watch their favorite team play if they're on Sunday Night for an 8:25 start.  People are watching the games now till 11 on Sunday's cause there ratings are great, but this earlier starting times would help fans who go to the games get home earlier as well.  

3.) Cut down the penalties -- Let them play DEFENSE!  The offense has too many advantages.  They should call the blatant holding calls, but they call too many ticky-tack penalties on the defense.  Fans want to see offense, but they also don't want to see 44-39 games either. The NBA is ruining itself with what seems like a foul every time down the court.  banghead

4.) Do NOT expand the amount of teams...32 is PERFECT! -- I think the league has found the perfect number of teams. 16 per conference and the division layout is perfect. Don't screw it up!

5.) Keep Playoff teams at 6 per conference! -- This playoff system is also PERFECT! Adding more playoff teams will eventually make the regular season less meaningful.  Right now, every game is important.  An extra playoff team would worsen the playoffs and regular season, IMO. People complain now about 7-9 and 8-8 teams in the playoffs, imagine how common that will become in an expanded playoff system.  

7.) Stay in Amercia! -- No offense to the rest of the world, but putting a team in Canada or England is DUMB! It's just thinking about how to make extra $$.  Just the idea of the Super Bowl in London grinds my gears! 

I feel like the NFL is going make poor choices by chasing every dollar.  I don't think they're there yet, but they're certainly heading down a path that could ruin the greatest sport in America.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:25 PM

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I seldom watch games live.  I record them so I can zip through the commercials, penalties, half time.  I can rewind to study plays at will.  Otherwise, I would not watch many games, even Giants games.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:30 PM

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Doing everything to kill the Golden Goose. Football news for }%###

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/e...ing-habits-now/

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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:49 AM

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I must correct myself about the nfl network....they all use pre-printed hand held cue cards.

but the young woman is sure leggy and sexy and whe i watch it my wife hits me bc I dont know what shes saying but those legs are loooooonnnnnnggggg.

yes this is sexist (ps- i have 4 daughters) but unless your dead or blind you see this.

hey its not about facts and figures. ..ok maybe figures...hers..LOL.

still too many commercials.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:25 PM

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Many fans are unhappy with this new brand of football but the owners are still raking in the bucks.It seems they are operating on the assumption that fans are so devout,whatever crap product they put on the field fans will watch anyways.Some of the rule changes are for player safety,but others just an attempt to let the offenses run wild with the rules aiding and abetting.

Adding the female fan and the foreign fans seem to be the new goal,and its pretty simple to watch a long pass be completed and understand what went on in front of your eyes .Jerrah has been leading this charge stating yearly how his revenue is tops and viewership high while the product he puts on the field decidedly sub par.

The only place I could stand watching the nfl network group of Irvin ,Deion,Sapp ,Tomlinson and now Arriginton is taking a long ride off a short cliff. These guys are just awful to me.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:59 PM

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For me the phrase of sub par is a key phrase in this discussion.  What does sub par mean?  Here are my thoughts:

1.  The biggest contributor to sub par play is the size of the league.  Cut the size of the league to 24 teams and instantly the quality of play would improve immensely.  
2.  Rules that promote safety are necessary.
3.  I strongly suspect that a smaller league would equalize the talent of both sides of the ball which would greatly reduce the need to implement rules that favor one side of the ball vs the other.  With that said, I do not see a problem with implementing rules that will make the game more entertaining.  I am thinking that as long as more than 66% of the games are decided within 7 points, then it is a matter of what is the ideal total points scored by both teams.  My initial thought is 40 points is close to the ideal number of total points per game.
4. I am also thinking that a significant percentage of games should be won within 3 points.  According to Marasoft.com, in the last twenty years 46.12% of all the NFL regular season games were decided by 7 or less points and 23.59% of the football games were decided by 3 or less.  A smaller league would surely increase both of these percentages.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:33 PM

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GordonG wrote: For me the phrase of sub par is a key phrase in this discussion.  What does sub par mean?  Here are my thoughts:

1.  The biggest contributor to sub par play is the size of the league.  Cut the size of the league to 24 teams and instantly the quality of play would improve immensely.  
2.  Rules that promote safety are necessary.
3.  I strongly suspect that a smaller league would equalize the talent of both sides of the ball which would greatly reduce the need to implement rules that favor one side of the ball vs the other.  With that said, I do not see a problem with implementing rules that will make the game more entertaining.  I am thinking that as long as more than 66% of the games are decided within 7 points, then it is a matter of what is the ideal total points scored by both teams.  My initial thought is 40 points is close to the ideal number of total points per game.
4. I am also thinking that a significant percentage of games should be won within 3 points.  According to Marasoft.com, in the last twenty years 46.12% of all the NFL regular season games were decided by 7 or less points and 23.59% of the football games were decided by 3 or less.  A smaller league would surely increase both of these percentages.
I agree that a smaller league would be a better league but this is a big country with a big appetite for NFL football (not to mention the potential jobs and revenue that would be lost).

You'd need to get rid of 8 teams to get down to 24, so who would you get rid of? Jacksonville is a given. Who else?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:14 PM

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The owners definitely wouldnt cut back on teams,their collective goals is to expand global and turn the game into something both soccer and rugby fans would follow. There is also almost yearly talk of  adding games to the season.
One of the main objectives football purists complain of is not of safety based rules but of those which help curtail the defense.As we have seen this pre season the amount of tick tack calls make the product virtually un watchable.
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