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JPP & Eli, what's wrong?

Posted: 8/23/2014 1:08 AM

JPP & Eli, what's wrong? 


Nether looks like they are going to carry the Giants to the 'Promise Land'.

 

I understand that Eli needs an OL that gives him sufficient time and WR's that are not covered.

But, something is wrong here. The same for JPP. Neither are the players that won the SB, now.

 

Also, what am I missing with JP? I know football is more than it appears. But, sometimes

a player has to show 'talent'. Why is it that the Giant team seems about a second behind

the necessary time to 'execute'.

 

I said in another post the the Giants are going to need 4 out of 5 players to 'perform' this

year in order to be successful. Beatty, Beckham, JPP, Eli and DC. I don't think this team is

going to be good. And I expected Eli had to be one of the four. 

Kerry Collins could have been a great QB, if you had the perfect OL and WR's.

Eli just doesn't look 'right'. Yes, he's been hurried, but where are the quick dump offs.
I hope this game isn't going to be the 'future'. He looks like he's running for his life & no ones is open.

Who on this team looks like a Pro Bowler? And that is the problem. No elite players
means an average team and that means 8-8 if lucky.

I hope I'm wrong eek





 

 

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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:55 AM

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JPP looks washed up, and that's concerning for a 3rd year player. He's playing mostly off the hype from his rookie season. Beatty looked bad too but I get it...2nd game back from his injury. But if neither player does much this season I think you have to go in a different direction. As for Eli, if he's not playing in a 2 minute drill all season, we don't win. It's that simple. Another subpar season from him and we go 6-10.

The worst part about it though is nothing will change until Reese's job is threatened (which isn't happening anytime soon) because he's the one responsible for the poor drafting, but that's a topic for another discussion.

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Posted: 8/23/2014 8:28 AM

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After the 1st string's showing last night I am joining the people that do not expect much from the Giants this year.  Should we all be pleased that Eli had one good drive out of 6 possessions?  He does not look like a 17 million dollar qback with his poor decisions, poor ball security. poor mechanics, etc, etc.  Still getting delay of game calls with a "fast paced" offense.  Really?  Maybe we really have seen the best of Eli and he is on the downswing.  If he plays like this during the real season, we are in real deep feces.  

JPP is quickly becoming another 1 one year wonder.  Do we have another Nicks scenario in his contract year?  So far JPP has been about as effective as Eli, maybe even less.  Not good!

I hope everyone flips the switch and plays lights out when the season starts but right now it looks like we may have another year of TC getting red faced and flapping like a chicken.  I hope TC and Eli have one more run.  I will be very surprised if that happens.....

I really hope I am wrong but if I am not it will be another long, long year for Giant fans.....
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:26 AM

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If not for Kyle Wilson stepping out of bounds before his pick, we'd be talking about Eli's issues, the swiss-cheese o-line, and the Giants' woeful offense. Instead, they scored in a two minute drill, have their "swagger" back, and all is forgotten. By next week JPP and Rolle will be offering up their yearly trash talk about winning the NFC.

Should be an entertaining season...Lol.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:36 AM

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My opinion? Eli is 33 years old and age is starting to catch up to him. He's also won two Super Bowls. I think his best days are behind him. I hope I'm wrong but I do believe that. And if that is true, Eli still goes down as one of the best, if not the best, quarterback in Giants history. You win two Super Bowl MVPs, you're in elite class.

JPP is done. Sorry, but he is. He's in his FIFTH season, by the way, not his third. He was drafted in 2010. 2011 was his big year when he had 16 1/2 sacks, was explosive on every play and was a huge part in helping the Giants win the Super Bowl that year. Since then, NOT the same player. I really doubt he ever will be again. His career reminds me of Jevon Kearse's career. Brilliant start, looking like a Hall of Famer, and then nothing. Giants will need to invest a high draft pick at DE again next Spring.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:52 AM

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--- leagued wrote:


JPP is done. Sorry, but he is.


1. Totally agree. I hope the Giants don't give him a loyalty contract to keep him here. I don't think they will, but you never know..



He's in his FIFTH season, by the way, not his third.

2. True, I stand corrected. I just remember him playing lights out en-route to the SB then he mailed it in, playing mostly off his hype.



Giants will need to invest a high draft pick at DE again next Spring.

3. Luckily for us that's Reese's MO.

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Posted: 8/23/2014 12:10 PM

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JPP (please not JJP as seen in other posts)...he was/is a speed rusher not a strong arm rusher (strahan). and as the saying in the game of hockey , speed slows down eventually (during a game or over seasons) and size stays the same.
so without speed, even if its a step , its making these HUGE difference in his play.

ELI- he cannot throw on the run. if it is a designed run for eli to throw as he is actually running, then this type of play call from McAdoo shows to me, he has never seen Eli play, Eli cannot do this. Now Eli can run and then stop and plant to throw is different , but throwing on the run is certainly not his strength. So designed plays having Eli do this are atrocious and many times have disastrous results.

Now of course in the first half the jets DL was all over Eli, so while its not a designed run, these breakdowns are not gonna help us go downfield as to the FACT that Eli cannot throw on the run accurately, even if its a 5-7 yd pass as even last night it was intercepted (called back bc DB was a step out of bounds) but none the less this is not his strength. O sure some will say, he passed to Randle early on for a nice gain when on the run for his life as he passed ...yeah yeah , and sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut also.... plain and simple, Elis feet need to be planted to pass. and to prove it, the 2 greatest catches in NYG history to tyree and Manningham , both times Eli moved, scrambled , but then PLANTED his feet, he wasnt throwing ON the Run. (so thats whats wrong with Eli , IMO)

As far as the OL, there was a play about 45secs b4 the half, the jets rushed 2 DL as in "TWO" and had Eli scrambling. so if this is whats protecting Eli.....well, you fill in the rest of how it is gonna go for him.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:19 PM

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JPP was never that good to begin with.
He had a lucky year rushing the passer and that's it.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:38 AM

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JPP has and still comes across as a very immature person. I think he has the physical tools, but he doesn't have mental strength to take advantage of his skills. Reese was correct when he said Adrian Tracy is the JPP of TE's. Was the comment a positive towards Tracy, or a negative towards JPP? Underachievers.

I think JPP needs to slide to LE and Moore moved to RE. Kiwi is doing nothing either. RE requires technique and speed. I watched JPP all game and he just tries to bull rush and run the outside allllllll game. He's only got 2 moves.

Eli is showing major signs of being washed up. He's too busy shooting commercials and is less focused on football I think. Without a bullet proof O-line and strong running game, he's not going to be able to take us to the playoffs on his own. He's not that kind of QB.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 1:04 PM

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leagued wrote: My opinion? Eli is 33 years old and age is starting to catch up to him. He's also won two Super Bowls. I think his best days are behind him. I hope I'm wrong but I do believe that. And if that is true, Eli still goes down as one of the best, if not the best, quarterback in Giants history. You win two Super Bowl MVPs, you're in elite class.

JPP is done. Sorry, but he is. He's in his FIFTH season, by the way, not his third. He was drafted in 2010. 2011 was his big year when he had 16 1/2 sacks, was explosive on every play and was a huge part in helping the Giants win the Super Bowl that year. Since then, NOT the same player. I really doubt he ever will be again. His career reminds me of Jevon Kearse's career. Brilliant start, looking like a Hall of Famer, and then nothing. Giants will need to invest a high draft pick at DE again next Spring.
Couldn't have said it better. Jevon Kearse!
Sometimes a player is so badly hurt that he loses his physical edge. That might have been Nicks problem.
But sometimes a guy loses his edge, eye of the tiger! Money, women, fame, professional recognition are
the impetus for most young men. When they get them, the motivation isn't has high unless you are one of
the legends who live & die on their professional performance. Very normal! I think all of his talk is an attempt
to try to motivate himself. Time to realize, we need DE rushers immediately. I think that the Achilles' heel
for the Giants. All of their rushers or blitzes seem just a second too slow.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 1:18 PM

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I thought one of the tricky decisions from this offseason was do the Giants keep Kiwi or Tuck around.    My vote was Tuck and cut loose Kiwi.   The Giants chose the opposite......prob because they are still in that wacky belief that Kiwi is more useful b/c he can play LB......which is kind of silly considering he doesn't play either position that well.      


Nonetheless......JPP is certainly not showing much during the preseason.   I dont know if he is just in preservation mode since his next payday is upcoming.....or if he's just regressed since his injury experiences.     He certainly hasn't stepped up much since his stellar 2011 campaign.   He's had moments of glory......and to be fair has tried to play through injuries.   But he may just be a middle of the road DE now.   

The good news is......Mr. Moore looks like he is ready to step up.    We will need him.......b/c our pass rush is looking anemic.   I also don't like how Cullen Jenkins is looking.   I think they were hoping he could create some disruption via the pass rush.    



I think Eli is getting used to how he needs to behave as a QB within this system.   I feel like towards the end of the second quarter he was starting to make some upward progression.    I mean......the Giants called a VERY conservative first half against the Jets.    I still don't think they've shown much of what the passing game could offer.    I hope Eli gets more decisive and speeds his clock up from where it would be under KG.   KG's offense needed time for all of the deep routes.    This offense doesn't......and I seriously think Eli is just learning how to pace himself.     

I think it also needs to be taken into account that Eli got a late start on this offense due to the recovery from his surgery this offseason.    I'm not loving what I am seeing........but I think Eli may be starting to snap out of it.   


The good news is.......it appears we could be able to run the ball with some better consistency this year.  


Also.........why did Corey Washington get what seemed to be zero reps with the first team offense?    WTF?
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:46 PM

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Could it be ala Hosteler did....Nassib is about to take that role!!

Yes...Eli is now 33...has nothing left to prove...but to only prove
he can adjust to a different system and LEAD!

Nassib has the legs and youth to achieve..same as Eli "has" done
but where is Eli's motivation to OVERachieve!!

If JPP has it in him....instead of mouthing off...now's the time!
CONTRACT time speaks loudest to a players true calling on the field

Moore IS ready to take the bull by the horns
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Posted: 8/24/2014 3:49 PM

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I have a simpler view of Eli's problem.
He has fallen into a bad habit and that is throwing all too often off the back foot. Why does he do this, that's the question...
He waits forever, has pressure in his face, tries to make the hero throw. His arm is well above average, he gets away with it, or did.
Solution is simple actually. Routes and QB movement geared toward quicker stuff that is not straight drop back so often. Teams have learned that pressure in his face has a direct cause of him falling away and throwing off the back foot. It has become his standard MO. Gotta break that.
Do you hate Romo? Too bad for a minute. Watch him work to find a way to step up, step to the side and then step up.
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