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Can we talk about positives from the Colts game?

Posted: 8/17/2014 3:36 PM

Can we talk about positives from the Colts game? 


I know a lot of people are angry and over-reacting to a preseason "scrimmage" but I actually saw a good number of positives from the game.

For one, I really am liking these young receivers. We have already talked about how good Marcus Harris and Corey Washington have looked, and they looked it again last night, but what about Preston Parker? He looked terrific last night. The Giants really seem to have a LOT of good young receivers on this team, and that bodes well for the future. (The bad news is that Manningham appears to have no shot of making this team but thanks for the memories MM.)

I also like Kerry Wynn at DE. He has made plays in all three preseason games. He was undrafted, right? Anyone know anything about him from his college days? Total newcomer to me but I like what I see.

Devon Kennard appears to be a player. I think we got ourselves a real solid linebacker with him and boy did the Giants need to catch a break with a mid to late pick like that. He should really help this team. Hard to believe, but when Beason comes back the Giants are looking at a pretty good linebacking corp with McClain, Williams, Kennard and Paysinger. They're not Pro Bowlers but they are pretty darn good linebackers. Huge upgrade over the last few years that is for sure.

Nassib looked very good but he was going against 3rd stringers. Nonetheless, I'd like to continue seeing more of him as he could be in line to take over the ship if Eli has another bad season this year. We might have our future franchise QB already on the roster and that would be a huge plus obviously.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:29 PM

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I know that preseason games mean nothing - or do they?  When you consider how bad the 1st string offense has been for the last year and a half and how bad it has looked so far this year, it is getting quite scary.  New offensive linemen, new running backs, a new OC with a new playbook, and so far the offense has been atrocious.  BM says everyone has to have faith.  Well faith may work with religion but until the 1st string offense shows a sign of life, having faith in this offense is a reach .  The Jets game will tell a lot about this team....

I agree with most of your observations Leagued,  but I really can't look at the positives at this time since our offense has been worse than bad...... Pathetic is more appropriate....

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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:31 PM

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You claim others are overreacting based on preseason "scrimmages" and then you use the results of these "scrimmages" to validate the team's young players. Am I missing something?

Speaking of overreacting, isn't it a bit early to start appointing Nassib a franchise QB?

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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:45 PM

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Our 3rd stringers were better than their 3rd stringers.  So...there's that.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:48 PM

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DocGooden wrote:

You claim others are overreacting based on preseason "scrimmages" and then you use the results of these "scrimmages" to validate the team's young players. Am I missing something?

Speaking of overreacting, isn't it a bit early to start appointing Nassib a franchise QB?

Its the same thought process that gives JR all the credit for two Super Bowls but then claims he cannot be criticized for any draft picks, contracts, or free agent moves because the Giants do that by committee.noidea
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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:49 PM

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JINTSFAN73 wrote: Our 3rd stringers were better than their 3rd stringers.  So...there's that.
If we could somehow manage to play our 3rds vs their 3rds all season long, the team just might go undefeated! tongue
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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:56 PM

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Tupperlake wrote: 
I agree with most of your observations Leagued,  but I really can't look at the positives at this time since our offense has been worse than bad...... Pathetic is more appropriate....
Prior to this season, Eli Manning has never failed to complete at least two passes in a pre-season game. It has now happened two games in a row. Eli has completed 1 pass out of 9 attempts for 6 yards the past two games. Scrimmage, or not, that's not a good sign.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 5:07 PM

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I sense and share more a feeling of worry and apprehension then anger.  The anger will come if the team performs as it did last season and there will be many calls for various heads to roll.  but for right now, last night provokes anxiety about what lies ahead.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 5:18 PM

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The offensive still looks lost, it just leaves your speechless how lost they look
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Posted: 8/17/2014 6:52 PM

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The young guys can ONLY be graded on what they have done in practice and scrimmages so far. I have no other way to judge them. And they have looked good, for what that means.

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Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 8:00 PM

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leagued wrote: The young guys can ONLY be graded on what they have done in practice and scrimmages so far. I have no other way to judge them. And they have looked good, for what that means.
Okay? Training camp and preseason is all we have to judge all of the players... unless you're suggesting we look back to last season's results. A scary enough thought in and of itself.

It seems like Coach Coughlin would fall into your definition of those overreacting. He basically called out everyone on offense including the quarterbacks, receivers, runners, and blockers.

Coughlin's comments after the Colts game:

"We are realists, and looking at what looked to be a very poor performance in the first half with the 1s that didn't really get a lot better once the 2s came in. It wasn't impressive at all. We didn't get a whole lot done. There's no production. There's nothing to look at from a production standpoint."

“All of a sudden, the preseason is flying by here and we have an awful lot to accomplish.”

“I think we’ve got to work on a lot of things. We’ve got to basically work on everything...Last night, we didn’t run it, we certainly didn’t throw the ball with any consistency. We don’t have people who are definitely running open. Our protection does break down from time to time and we don’t react well under pressure when we do realize that there has to be a hot or sight adjustment involved in getting the ball out of the quarterback’s hand and trying to accomplish a positive play in the face of pressure."
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Posted: 8/17/2014 8:44 PM

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 There were a few positives in the game, but they were few and far between. Yes sir, those 2 young WR's do look like the real thing, no matter who they are playing against.

 Nassib took a tremendous shot but bounced right back up and drove the team for a TD. I LIKE THAT. Not so much the TD, but the ability to do something when he was obviously in pain.

 Moore played pretty good. he can truly be a force if we can make him play with a bit of discipline.

Other than that, I really didn't see too many other positives.
There is no 'I' in team
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:10 PM

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Here are the positive grades for the offense.

Kellen Davis overall play
Reynolds overall play' especially run blocking.
Nassib passing
Cox rushing
Weatherford had a very good day.

Here are the positive grades for the defense

DRC overall play 
Rolle overall play
Moore pass rush
Fox overall play
Paysinger pass coverage
Anderson overall play especially run defense
Adkins overall play
Taylor overall play
Thomas overall play especially run defense

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Posted: 8/18/2014 7:57 AM

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positives ----
1-we are not the 49ers who have been outscored 57-3 in preseason games.
2-YES our 3rd string players are better than yours....OR, you can watch these players with other teams as they catch on, bc they wont be NYG. i dont know if thats a positive if a guy from or scrub squad becomes v. good with someone else. positive for the player, negative for NYG.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:10 AM

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We should wish the Giants were as good as the 49ers. Preseason means zip.

Coughlin is getting on the team because that's the head coach's job. Yeah, the 1s and 2s have looked bad, and the coach should get on them, but overall its not telling of how things will go in the regular season. Its a scrimmage. Sure, they could play better, but I'll reserve judgment for September 8th.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:15 AM

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dweez115 wrote:
Tupperlake wrote: 
I agree with most of your observations Leagued,  but I really can't look at the positives at this time since our offense has been worse than bad...... Pathetic is more appropriate....
Prior to this season, Eli Manning has never failed to complete at least two passes in a pre-season game. It has now happened two games in a row. Eli has completed 1 pass out of 9 attempts for 6 yards the past two games. Scrimmage, or not, that's not a good sign.

If you want to get picky.......he did hit Cruz on that long pass downfield which was negated by a penalty.   He also hit Donnell on the numbers and Donnell was not looking for a pass.    But......Eli has also made plenty of not so great decisions.    He's also been pretty constantly under pressure.   


I really hope TC gives Eli an entire quarter to play.   I know we are evaluating guys.......but if TC and BM aren't alarmed by what they've seen on offense......I think they are kidding themselves.   I would not be afraid to play the starters into the 3rd quarter if necessary just to get some extensive reps in.    I hope we prep more for blitz pickup......and the Jets will be a good chance to practice blitz pickup.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:12 AM

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It's hard to tell on Eli's adjustment to this new offensive concept. If he's not transitioning well, I wonder if it would be a good idea for the coaching staff to allow Eli to pick the plays that he's comfortable with, or better yet, McAdoo would design some plays that incorporate Gilbride's concept of QB-WR telepathy on reading coverage.

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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:26 AM

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Amazing how removing just 1 word from your post would make me agree with it, but as it stands, it really rubs me the wrong way.  The word, "all".  I don't know anyone who gives JR all the credit for the two superbowl victories.  Not a single person.  If you can find a person that gives JR all the credit for the Giants two superbowl victories during JR's tenure, let me know.  I'd love to hear that person's reasoning.

Does JR deserve some credit, yes.  All?  Hardly.

Maybe you were trying to say that some believe he deserves all the credit for the personnel that were on the field during the two superbowl seasons.  Even so, that is still a ridiculous position I find hard to believe anyone would take because TC has the final say on roster cuts.  So the personnel for the team is directly influenced by TC and his coaching staff.

Not to mention, personnel isn't the end all, be all of whether a team wins the superbowl or not, coaching and the actual play of the players has to be great and I'm one of those people that believe a little bit of luck is involved, when it comes to calls and match-ups.

In any event, the word 'all' in the post gives the message way to strong a statement.
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