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70 percent

Posted: 8/17/2014 7:44 AM

70 percent 


we want Eli to complete 70% of his passes.
This is going to be the  funniest, most ridiculous quote of the entire year.


so in your best jim mora voice when he yells "playoffs" during that press conference rant, all giant fans can do that rant and replace "playoffs" with "70 percent"

if we dont yell it , there might be a lot of muttering in homes from the 5 Boroughs to every township in New Jersey (Connecticut too).
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:17 AM

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I know it is early and pre season games are meaningless, BUT if the ones don't look any better next week, the reality of another really bad season may take hold.  Right now I would say that more than "a leap of faith" is needed for this offense.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:57 AM

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As of this morning, the 70% statement seems to be on par with the decision to install the Super Bowl clock last year.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:41 AM

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I don't have any confidence in this offense. I'd rather see us employ a ball control strategy, pound it with Jennings, Williams, and Gaskins, keep the clock moving, and let's see how far the defense can take us.
“No matter how much you've won, no matter how many games, no matter how many championships, no matter how many Super Bowls, you're not winning now, so you stink.” -Bill Parcells
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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:26 AM

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We will have to be a running team this year and hope the OL can at least run block

Schwartz and Pugh looked like bad rookies last night and the entire Offense just sucks. Eli got lucky with an INT called back for holding...he looks off big time.

The OL again will determine how we do this season but I unfortunately don't have confidence in a brand new OL and offensive system. It will take time plus the talent level is obviously questionable.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:24 PM

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I hope there is some urgency placed on the first team offense next week during the Jets preseason game.   I mean......the whole unit just is not crisp.    This needs to stop.   It's tricky since the Jets use a very aggressive defensive scheme.   I hope we have more of a gameplan for the game.  


I guess that's the thing which is always difficult to make sense of during the preseason.    Coaches really aren't game planning.....and I think they are just trying to install the base offensive plays and just see how certain personnel groups work together......and see how the back end of the roster will be constructed.   I don't know if we're being super impatient here or if there is absolutely justification for concern.    Eli does look like the happy feet Eli we were all scared by early in his career.     I think it's also fair to not expect the offense to run on all cylinders right away.    It's brand new for the entire team.   The reality might be that the Giants have a rough time in their first 4 games offensively.    But then get their bearings about them and start producing.   


I don't love how the defense has looked.......but it doesn't really matter if the offense is going to be lucky to put up 14 points a game the way things are going.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 1:13 PM

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hcgiles wrote: As of this morning, the 70% statement seems to be on par with the decision to install the Super Bowl clock last year.
I believe it to be far worse. The clock put pressure on the whole team. The 70% stupidity put a target on Eli's back and it asks him to meet a standard that has only been met 4 or 5 times before in NFL history.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:33 PM

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dweez115 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: As of this morning, the 70% statement seems to be on par with the decision to install the Super Bowl clock last year.
I believe it to be far worse. The clock put pressure on the whole team. The 70% stupidity put a target on Eli's back and it asks him to meet a standard that has only been met 4 or 5 times before in NFL history.
At lest Eli wasn't the one who said it.  He knows better.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 3:32 PM

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TheShade wrote:
dweez115 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: As of this morning, the 70% statement seems to be on par with the decision to install the Super Bowl clock last year.
I believe it to be far worse. The clock put pressure on the whole team. The 70% stupidity put a target on Eli's back and it asks him to meet a standard that has only been met 4 or 5 times before in NFL history.
At lest Eli wasn't the one who said it.  He knows better.
True. And if I was Eli, I would be livid that the QB coach (who REALLY should know better!) threw me under the bus like that. If we do extend Eli, I expect that's one coach that will be replaced before the ink dries on Eli's new contract
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Posted: 8/18/2014 5:06 PM

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dweez115 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: As of this morning, the 70% statement seems to be on par with the decision to install the Super Bowl clock last year.
I believe it to be far worse. The clock put pressure on the whole team. The 70% stupidity put a target on Eli's back and it asks him to meet a standard that has only been met 4 or 5 times before in NFL history.
AND it has the clear implication that they are going to try to change Eli into a type of QB he has NEVER been.  In the first PS game he met the goal, 6 for 7.  Of course it was about 40-50 yards and there were no TDs - a level of performance which, if projected out to a full season, gives the Giants close to the #1 pick in next year's draft.  0 for 2 and 1 for 6 since then.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:03 PM

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This is the most overblown criticism of Eli Manning I've ever seen.

Every team and every player has goals that they write down but when asked by the media they never tell what it is because they realize that the media and fans will harp on that number and critcize and mock them for not reaching there goal.

Case in point this Eli 70 % number.

If he completes 63% this year, he will get criticized because it wasnt 70% by people who take everything literally.

Just my .02.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:23 PM

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IMO, no one cares about Eli's stats if the team wins. A losing season will bring out the microscopes, and not just for Eli.
“No matter how much you've won, no matter how many games, no matter how many championships, no matter how many Super Bowls, you're not winning now, so you stink.” -Bill Parcells
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Posted: 8/20/2014 4:40 PM

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EddieNYG wrote: This is the most overblown criticism of Eli Manning I've ever seen.

Every team and every player has goals that they write down but when asked by the media they never tell what it is because they realize that the media and fans will harp on that number and critcize and mock them for not reaching there goal.

Case in point this Eli 70 % number.

If he completes 63% this year, he will get criticized because it wasnt 70% by people who take everything literally.

Just my .02.
Where is the criticism of Eli? Please, Eddie, point it out to me. I see a thread discussing an absolutely moronic statement made by the QB coach. No one is claiming Eli said it. In fact, we are acknowledging how unfair it was to set such a ridiculous standard. Honestly, I don't understand your post at all. The 70% number WILL be mocked, I can guarantee that, because it is all but impossible for Eli to reach it. However, I would be surprised if anyone, besides the most uniformed, mocked Eli directly. He did not say it and I would be stunned to find out that he even considered that a goal of his. Eli knows he is and what kind of QB he is. The guy is not delusional. Out of the all the QBs, over all the years, it has been done only 4 or 5 times. To EXPECT any QB to reach that goal shows a lack of understanding about the game. To claim a QB who has always had problems with his accuracy, working behind a highly questionable O line, and with only one Pro Bowl caliber WR SHOULD do it was one of the more asinine statements a coach has ever made. I sincerely hope he is fired at the end of the season because of it. Anyone that stupid should NOT be on the payroll. But that does not reflect on Eli. He didn't hire the guy. I would imagine quite a few people feel bad for Eli that it was even said. I know I do. How is any of this criticizing Eli? noidea
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Posted: 8/20/2014 6:27 PM

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Dweez,

It is criticism of Eli. Yes, he didn't say it. But anytime its brought up it will and is being done so to mock a QB that has brought this franchise 2 Super Bowls since he was drafted in 2004.

This 70% comment by the QB coach is getting the same reaction that radio interview Eli did in 2011 in where he said he felt like he was an elite QB in the same class as Tom Brady.

I don't care if people are critical of Eli's play on the field but these quotes that are meaningless will be used to mock Eli and his coach that said it.

With all due respect, I do not have a reading comprehension problem. Im just tired of what i feel like is a general spoiled attitude amongst some Giant fans with Eli as our QB and threads like these and it set me off on that "rant" lol.

Thanks for your feedback...Go Giants!!


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EddieNYG wrote: This is the most overblown criticism of Eli Manning I've ever seen.

Every team and every player has goals that they write down but when asked by the media they never tell what it is because they realize that the media and fans will harp on that number and critcize and mock them for not reaching there goal.

Case in point this Eli 70 % number.

If he completes 63% this year, he will get criticized because it wasnt 70% by people who take everything literally.

Just my .02.
Where is the criticism of Eli? Please, Eddie, point it out to me. I see a thread discussing an absolutely moronic statement made by the QB coach. No one is claiming Eli said it. In fact, we are acknowledging how unfair it was to set such a ridiculous standard. Honestly, I don't understand your post at all. The 70% number WILL be mocked, I can guarantee that, because it is all but impossible for Eli to reach it. However, I would be surprised if anyone, besides the most uniformed, mocked Eli directly. He did not say it and I would be stunned to find out that he even considered that a goal of his. Eli knows he is and what kind of QB he is. The guy is not delusional. Out of the all the QBs, over all the years, it has been done only 4 or 5 times. To EXPECT any QB to reach that goal shows a lack of understanding about the game. To claim a QB who has always had problems with his accuracy, working behind a highly questionable O line, and with only one Pro Bowl caliber WR SHOULD do it was one of the more asinine statements a coach has ever made. I sincerely hope he is fired at the end of the season because of it. Anyone that stupid should NOT be on the payroll. But that does not reflect on Eli. He didn't hire the guy. I would imagine quite a few people feel bad for Eli that it was even said. I know I do. How is any of this criticizing Eli? noidea

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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:02 AM

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EddieNYG wrote: Dweez,

It is criticism of Eli. Yes, he didn't say it. But anytime its brought up it will and is being done so to mock a QB that has brought this franchise 2 Super Bowls since he was drafted in 2004.

This 70% comment by the QB coach is getting the same reaction that radio interview Eli did in 2011 in where he said he felt like he was an elite QB in the same class as Tom Brady.

I don't care if people are critical of Eli's play on the field but these quotes that are meaningless will be used to mock Eli and his coach that said it.

With all due respect, I do not have a reading comprehension problem. Im just tired of what i feel like is a general spoiled attitude amongst some Giant fans with Eli as our QB and threads like these and it set me off on that "rant" lol.

Thanks for your feedback...Go Giants!!



As far as mocking Danny Langsdorf for saying it, I say the more they humiliate the guy the better. Just an absolutely moronic statement to make. I have to believe TC read him the riot act. There's absolutely no upside in that comment for Eli. None. Even if he hits that mark, which he won't, McAdoo and Langsdorf will get the credit!  As I said above, if you believe this is about Eli, then I apologize. It is not. I know he didn't say it and I know he has not been provided the teammates to make a decent attempt at it. Eli has my empathy on this one. I can honestly say if Eli ends the season hitting 60%, I will be blown away. Because with the current offensive roster, I don't think 70% is possible for any QB.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:19 AM

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Dweez,

I agree with you that getting to 60% would be an amazing turn around from last year considering the TE situation and all the uncertainties surrounding the offensive line.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:26 AM

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FWIW.......this has only been achieved 7 times in NFL history.    Twice by Drew Brees.    


I think this was more of a symbolic move by the coaching staff that speaks to what they are trying to accomplish within the offensive scheme as opposed to stating a clear objective.    I never think it's a bad thing to aim high......even if it's highly unlikely to achieve......by anyone.    

Apparently Eli's career high Comp% is 62% in a given season.......which kind of surprised me.   I thought he might have hit 65% once or twice.    I'm kind of tired of any Eli bashing......I do think it's kind of ridiculous at this stage.    There have always been those that are anti-Eli........and always will be.   We'll see how they feel when he's retired into the sunset and are in search of that steady starting QB again.......
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:07 PM

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They are attempting to install a new, quick strike offense where the ball it out of Eli's hands quickly on shorter routes allowing the receiver to make a play with his legs. It stands to reason that this will be a higher percentage pass than the more vertical system that Eli was in under Gilbride since the routes will generally be shorter. What in God's name is wrong with the QB coach acknowledging this and putting a bar out there for Eli to hit? It is the pre-season guys. I get it. The offense has looked terrible. They are also figuring out a new offensive line and new personnel playing key roles at all the skill positions. Anyone who thought this was going to happen quickly is a bit naive.

I'll say it again. Everyone wanted to run Spagnolo out of town early in his first season as DC too and then the Redskins game happened and you all know the story from here. I am not saying history is going to repeat itself. I am simply reminding you all what you already know. Professional Football is a complex game of precision that depends on you and your team mates being in absolute synch. New Offensive Coordinator. New System. Completely revamped line. New RBs. New WRs. All under a collective bargaining agreement that limits the time you can practice AND limits the time within practice that you can put the pads on and really go at it.

This is a work in progress and I trust that Eli is going to figure it out. For the life of me, I do not know what this guy needs to do to secure a larger portion of the fan bases' support. He sucked last year behind a bad offensive line, no running game and ONE receiver he could count on. I have no idea what an elite QB is and I don't care. I feel GREAT having Eli behind center and you all should too. Whoo! That felt great. Thanks for listening. :-D
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:47 PM

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JDub19 wrote:  What in God's name is wrong with the QB coach acknowledging this and putting a bar out there for Eli to hit? 


1) By "putting a bar out there", he put a huge weight on Eli's shoulders. You saw Hoss' post. It has only been done 7 times. If you want to "put a bar out there", make it a bar that isn't close to a NFL record. If he had said 60% to 65%, I doubt anyone would have blinked. 2) You ask a guy to hit a mark that has only been accomplished 7 times and you ignore the fact that he has a brand new O line, new WRs, a new O coordinator, and a whole new offense. Tie that up with limited practices under the new CBA and you have made Eli's job all but impossible 3) NYC is the media capital of the US. You do NOT give those jackals something like that to feed on. It's not fair to Eli. He will now have to answer for comment he never made. 

Ask yourself this, how you would you feel if at a company meeting your supervisor stood up and announced you were going to set a new productivity record for your industry? Not your company, that's too easy, your entire industry. Now, add on to that, that your productivity scores would be available in every paper and on hundreds or websites every week so the entire country can track your progress. Now add onto that, every week some moron is going to stick a camera and microphone in your face as you're getting ready to head home from a long day at work to ask about whether you hit your numbers this week, what are you doing wrong, why can't you hit your number, is it your co-workers fault, etc., etc. 

If you still can't figure out what the problem is, sorry, I don't know how to make it clearer for you.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:18 PM

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I would be very surprised if Eli puts much weight on any particular number.  Where I expect that he puts a huge amount of weight is on the process which includes a very high level of concentration on every single play; every single throw.  I am confident that he has certain expectations of himself which is his primary motivator.  Beyond that he has a commitment to the team and certain expectations of his team mates.  In the end, he wants to win another SB.  If his completion percentage is 50% and they win a SB he will be ecstatic.  If his completion percentage is 70% and they don't then he will be somewhere between disappointed and extremely upset depending on the circumstances.

I take the 70% as a goal just like a hitter averaging over 300 or a pitcher wanting 20+ wins in a season.
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