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RUMOR:Giants may be interested in 49ers' G Alex Boone

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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:00 PM

RUMOR:Giants may be interested in 49ers' G Alex Boone 


According to Jason Cole, the Giants and Buccaneers are the leading candidates for 49ers G Alex Boone.  

I'm not really sure if Cole actually has insider sources or not, but it sounds like from the video that he's putting the Bucs and Giants at the head of the pack because the Bucs and Giants both recently had Pro Bowl G's retire.  

Would Boone be worth giving up a 3rd round pick for?  

He can play both G spots and both T spots.  Imagine an opening day OL of Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, Boone and Pugh.  Boone is an obvious upgrade over Mosely, but his versatility is a plus to play outside if necessary.  

Giants also have cap space to sign Boone to an extension and the contract he wants.  

I'm wondering if the Giants are being mentioned only because Snee just retired or there really is smoke here?

Thoughts?
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:07 PM

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I checked his PFF ratings for 2013.  He played all 20 games at RG. All his games in 2012 were at RG.  He had 6 bad weeks and 7 good weeks.  The rest were average. Based on PFF stats, he played significantly better in 2012 than 2013.  His run blocking is better than his pass blocking.  He has been in the league for 4 years and started all games for the past two seasons. He becomes a FA in 2016.  He is 27 years old.

I would give up a 3rd round choice if he would agree to an extension rather than wait for FA.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 4:47 AM

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GordonG wrote: I checked his PFF ratings for 2013.  He played all 20 games at RG. All his games in 2012 were at RG.  He had 6 bad weeks and 7 good weeks.  The rest were average. Based on PFF stats, he played significantly better in 2012 than 2013.  His run blocking is better than his pass blocking.  He has been in the league for 4 years and started all games for the past two seasons. He becomes a FA in 2016.  He is 27 years old.

I would give up a 3rd round choice if he would agree to an extension rather than wait for FA.
I have to agree here. Why wait?? He can help this season and beyond. What would be so bad with having a road grader at RG??

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Posted: 8/12/2014 6:42 AM

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Playing rg has a lot of nuances to it as most teams play "right hand,right side strong".In a zone blocking scheme that equates three men blocking two as the slide protection slides to qbs blind side.This leaves the right guard with many more man on man blocks.Right guards have a tougher job ,yet left guards grade out higher using flawed projections.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 10:26 AM

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Boone is an upgrade over Mosley in run-blocking, but I think Mosley is a better pass-blocker than Boone
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:29 AM

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Boone is a pretty good player, but he supposedly wants "over his head" money, and he is rather tall for a guard.  Also does not move well enough to be a tackle.  Maybe I would have done this in the off season, but our OL is already a work in progress, and he is not an impact player that would stabilize our line.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:38 AM

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So is money the only reason he is leaving SF ?

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Posted: 8/12/2014 12:50 PM

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I am cautious whenever a team wants to trade a player. He sounds like an average to above average guard, but that's it. I think at this point you keep your draft picks and you go with who we have. This year isn't really expected to be a tremendous year for our Giants anyways. I say build toward the following year and let the young guys play this year at OG and then draft/sign more next offseason. I pass on this guy.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 1:45 PM

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leagued wrote: I am cautious whenever a team wants to trade a player. He sounds like an average to above average guard, but that's it. I think at this point you keep your draft picks and you go with who we have. This year isn't really expected to be a tremendous year for our Giants anyways. I say build toward the following year and let the young guys play this year at OG and then draft/sign more next offseason. I pass on this guy.
I do not disagree.  The attraction is that he has been very durable and is only 27.  He only has about 2.5 seasons of wear and tear.  I would not want to trade for him only to lose him to FA.  That is why I would want to come to an agreement on an extension.  I suspect every team will be thinking the same way.  Negotiating the extension will be tough.  SF may want a second or more than one draft pick. 

Since he is under contract, I am not clear as to what the problem is between him and SF.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:08 PM

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He is arguably worth a second round pick, but I wouldn't give up anything more than a third.  with that said, since the Giants need to trade for a starting TE, I would pass on Boone and save my draft picks for a TE.

I feel better about RG (Mosley and Jerry) than TE and so I'm not calling the 49ers for Boone if I'm the Giants GM.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:51 PM

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If there is a reasonable chance that we would land a player of equal or better talent with the pick you intend to trade then you don't make that trade because the draft player will play for much less money.

If the justification for the trade is to land a capable player NOW, then one has to take into account the time it will take this player to fit into and build chemistry with the T and C not to mention learning the offense.  How many games will that take? 

If the Giants make the move I think it will be a poor indicator of our prospects on offense this season because it means that the Giants know what they have in-house can't get it done and are willing to bring in a guy fresh half way through camp to plug the gap as Boone would cost FA money AND a darft pick at the same time.  That is pretty steep. 

For those reasons, I hope the trade doesn't happen because I hope the club doesn't think we need to do it.

Last edited 8/12/2014 3:00 PM by YeOldeMtnWasp

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Posted: 8/12/2014 5:18 PM

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PFF did a Secret Superstar write up on Alex Boone last year.

Undrafted but Not Unforgotten

A four-year starter at Ohio State at left tackle, Boone was named second-team All-Big Ten his junior year in 2007 and first-team All-Big Ten in his senior year in 2008.  He also appeared in two BCS National Championship Games while a Buckeye as well.

While on the field his credentials were impressive, off the field he struggled with alcohol issues, including a DUI shortly after his freshman season. In February 2009 he was arrested following a Super Bowl party where he was so intoxicated the police had to intervene.

Boone’s NFL stock plummeted following the 2009 incident, and despite all the accolades he went undrafted in April, and was later signed as a UDFA by the 49ers.

Paying His Dues

Boone was one of the final cuts in training camp in 2009, but after clearing waivers was signed to the 49ers practice squad, where he spent the entire season. Then head coach Mike Singletary took a liking to Boone and helped keep his focus on football and improving in the weight room. In 2010, he made the active roster but did not see any action until the season finale, where he played 18 snaps at left tackle.

In his third season, Boone saw action in every game but one as an extra tight end in Jim Harbaugh’s jumbo packages, and also came in for a banged up Anthony Davis at right tackle in Week 11, earning a +1.6 grade in 34 snaps.

Switch to Guard

Following the 2011 season, the 49ers decided not to offer Adam Snyder, the incumbent at right guard, a new contract and Snyder headed south to Arizona. Despite Boone being 6-foot-8, offensive coach Mike Solari in the offseason initially stunned Boone by telling him he was going to move to guard, a position he had never played before.

Boone easily beat out veteran Leonard Davis in training camp and won the right guard job for the 2012 season. Not only did Boone play well enough to keep his job, he was one of the top guards in the league, as his +22.9 regular season grade was second best among right guards and third best among all guards, trailing only Evan Mathis (+51.3) and Marshal Yanda (+24.2).

Boone was a force in the running game as his +18.6 run blocking grade was best among all right guards. He also ranked second among all guards by receiving a negative grade on only 4.7% of his run blocks. Boone also held his own in the passing game as he earned a +2.1 rating during the regular season, and his 20 QB pressures allowed tied him for 17th lowest out of 50 guards who played at least 400 passing snaps.

The move from Snyder, who ranked 75th out of 78 guards in 2011, to Boone in 2012 was unheralded at the time, but turned out to be a brilliant switch. Boone’s emergence as a top-flight guard solidified the 49ers offensive line, boosting it to its top ranking in 2012.

Boone seems to have put his personal issues behind him, and if he can maintain that stability off the field and improve his pass blocking on the field, he can be a Pro Bowl player for many years to come.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:37 PM

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Come on, for a 3rd round pick, a starting OG, in a heartbeat.

We already know Reese would draft another DT with that pick, so why not upgrade the OL and have some reserves to boot.

If we drafted an OG with a 3rd round pick and he was a serviceable guard for 5-7 years, wouldn't we be thrilled by that? I know I would.

If he is available for a 3, grab it and never look back.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:42 PM

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Jintsfan46 wrote:

If we drafted an OG with a 3rd round pick and he was a serviceable guard for 5-7 years, wouldn't we be thrilled by that? I know I would.
No one would argue with that. The issue is the money. 3rd round picks play cheap and we're not sure how much Boone is asking for.

I'm reserving judgment until I hear more about the financials. If we're going to break the bank for a guard, I'd rather wait until next off-season and go after Iupati.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 8:03 AM

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Exactly, its more the money than the draft pick. He seems to only be a slightly better than average guard so why would we lose a 3rd round pick and pay some good money to him? I'd like to think we can use Mosley, Jerry or Richburg at RG and bring them along and keep our draft pick and money.

Sage brings up a good point, tight end is our weakest position right now and with this offense that is NOT good. Next offseason I wouldn't mind seeing as many as two tight ends drafted (one high and one in middle rounds), or maybe a solid free agent brought in to go with a draft pick. This group of tight ends needs to be totally cleared out next year and some real talent brought in, not just cast offs and reach picks. I still can't believe with the emphasis on the position that no one was drafted or signed. Blind faith by Reese.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 10:14 AM

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leagued wrote:  I'd like to think we can use Mosley, Jerry or Richburg at RG and bring them along and keep our draft pick and money.


My mind keeps coming back to Richburg.  If another young player on the roster beats him out at RG, then no harm, no foul.  But if Mosely isn't the answer (and niether is Jerry) why pick Richburg in the 2nd round only to sit him so you can spend a bunch of cash on an only good RG and waste ANOTHER draft pick to get him?

By my way of accounting, spending on Boone would cost TWO draft picks not just one.  Both the draft pick to acquire Boone, plus  having Richburg sit this year,m retarding his development.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 11:23 AM

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Agreed. At this point you have your roster, you've made all your offseason moves. Now you stick with the players you have arranged and you work on developing them.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 11:54 AM

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My gut says Richburg is destined to be the Giants center next year or the year after.  I see his play at guard to primarily expose him to the line calls and secondarily to add competition/depth to the guard position.  For me trading for Boone is about two things.  Does his body of work over the past two season justify whatever the expense would be to achieve an extension that in essence would mean he would end his career as a Giant.  If he came aboard, I see the starting line being Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, Boone and Pugh.  In a year or two Richburg would take over for Waton.  Based on what I have been reading from camp reports, Brewer, Mosley, Reynolds and either Gaines or Asper or a late cut from another team would fill out the OL roster. Without Boone, I see Jerry and/or Brown making the roster.  Boone would be a major upgrade to having either Jerry or Brown on the roster.

BTW, what the above reasoning suggests to me is without Boone, the play of Brewer and Mosley will strongly dictate what the Giants will do in the 2015 offseason and draft.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:35 PM

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Is there another OL out there who offers more flexibility and talent than Boone among the free agent class next year?  I don't believe so.  It will come down to the new contract he wants rather than the draft choice, but given the uncertainty at RG and LT, I don't see how you can not take a shot at this guy.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 2:06 PM

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Whether or not fans want to green light the deal or not will come down to one simple perspective:  those fans who think our OL sucks as is will want to green light the deal.  those who believe that the OL has a chance to be adequate as it is will question the utility of the deal. 

I think it is relatively safe to say that which one of those two perspectives that is held by the Giants' front office will determine whether or not they would move forward on the deal (assuming that Boone doesn't demand an unrealistic contract). 

If the Giants make the trade then that tells me that the Giants agreed with those fans who say our interior OL sucks. 

I will say this, my bias leans strongly to the perspective that winning franchises don't let valuable, winning players walk.  If the 49ers thought the guy was worth the money he was asking, then they would pay him.  Any dollars that the Giants commit to Boone will be less dollars in the pot to plug holes next year.  So, I am skeptical about such a trade Boone.
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