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Giants Draft History

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:24 PM

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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:30 PM

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I opened the link and studied the lists.  All of a sudden. I threw up in my mouth a little. bit.  Jerry Reese can't leave soon enough for me.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 6:37 PM

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Yeah, if this loser would just bring one championship that would be awesome! [sarcasm off]
yankeelover wrote: I opened the link and studied the lists.  All of a sudden. I threw up in my mouth a little. bit.  Jerry Reese can't leave soon enough for me.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:07 PM

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Why? His drafting has been impeccable. He also single-handedly delivered 2 SB's to NY. I don't know what more you want him to do?


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I opened the link and studied the lists.  All of a sudden. I threw up in my mouth a little. bit.  Jerry Reese can't leave soon enough for me.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 8:30 AM

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When the Giants win a Superbowl it's the Defense that wins it. When we don't make the playoffs it's PF's fault.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:34 AM

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I think everyone agrees, the current Giants leadership team has done a bad job in the draft over the years. The question now is whether they've righted the ship with the past two drafts. Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Taylor, ODB, Richburg, Bromley, Williams, Behre, Kennard - lot's of potential contributors and high level performers in that group. Time will tell whether they wash out as previous draft classes have or whether they step up for the team. I'm hopeful based on early results.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 1:15 PM

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 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?
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Posted: 8/11/2014 2:49 PM

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Jintsfan46 wrote:
 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?
Not what you were looking for, but an interesting read. Whether you agree with the methodology, or not, is up to you. It is debatable. 

http://q.usatoday.com/2014/05/07/nfl-draft-best-te ams-seattle-seahawks-san-francisco-49ers-tennessee -titans-new-england-patriots/
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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:08 PM

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Jintsfan46 wrote:
 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?



Gee, I wish we had a GM that actually brought us a SB trophy once in a while!  (wow, that felt so cool to finally say to someone. Take that, you fake fan!). Honestly, if you don't like Reese then you don't like the New York Giants! So, go root for a team like the Browns who never win anything and burn your Giants jerseys while you're at it!  flushedflushedflushed

In Reese We Trust! Put back the Superbowl Clock!  All In!

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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:41 PM

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My thoughts:

1.  There is much more to a GM's job than the draft.
2,  Being critical about any aspect of a team that a fan roots for is their prerogative.
3.  Looking at the draft history of the Giants simply reinforces just how much of a crap shoot the draft is.  
3.  Evaluating drafts is difficult because of the numerous variables involved.  In the simplest approach, a draft is looked at after three years have gone by.  Injuries and how the coach utilizes the player should be factored in.  In my view, the draft should be evaluated from a reduction of uncertainty point of view rather from a player performance point of view.
4.  Where I think that Reese has been justifiably criticized for is taking to many high risk high reward selections in rounds 2-4 .  In other words increasing uncertainty rather than reducing uncertainty.  It appears that he has moved away from that approach and has placed a much greater weight on leadership abilities and actual achievement in College.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:21 PM

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mrc72 wrote:
Jintsfan46 wrote:
 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?



Gee, I wish we had a GM that actually brought us a SB trophy once in a while!  (wow, that felt so cool to finally say to someone. Take that, you fake fan!). Honestly, if you don't like Reese then you don't like the New York Giants! So, go root for a team like the Browns who never win anything and burn your Giants jerseys while you're at it!  flushedflushedflushed

In Reese We Trust! Put back the Superbowl Clock!  All In!

Sir, I have been a Giant fan for over 60 years, don't ever tell me who to root for.
 If you think Reese is the second coming of George Young, fine, but take off your rose colored glasses and really look at his draft picks over his tenure here. If you think anyone with Giants across their shirts can do no wrong, then you are too far gone to be helped.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:39 PM

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Jintsfan46 wrote:
mrc72 wrote:
Jintsfan46 wrote:
 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?



Gee, I wish we had a GM that actually brought us a SB trophy once in a while!  (wow, that felt so cool to finally say to someone. Take that, you fake fan!). Honestly, if you don't like Reese then you don't like the New York Giants! So, go root for a team like the Browns who never win anything and burn your Giants jerseys while you're at it!  flushedflushedflushed

In Reese We Trust! Put back the Superbowl Clock!  All In!

Sir, I have been a Giant fan for over 60 years, don't ever tell me who to root for.
 If you think Reese is the second coming of George Young, fine, but take off your rose colored glasses and really look at his draft picks over his tenure here. If you think anyone with Giants across their shirts can do no wrong, then you are too far gone to be helped.
If you are at all familiar with mrc72, you would know that was some grade A sarcasm directed at the fanboys who usually treat him like a pinata whenever he wants to debate the merits of a particular move and/or player.tongue
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Posted: 8/12/2014 6:51 AM

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I meant my tirade as pure sarcasm :)

Just a little humor on a boring Monday afternoon.


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mrc72 wrote:
Jintsfan46 wrote:
 Each year we go into the regular season with the hope that this years draft class will be just what the doctor ordered for this team. On really looking at that entire list of draft picks, Reese cannot be given a good grade. He has had some good picks and some real bone head ones, but overall, I would grade him a C to a C-. He has far too many 'reaches' when we needed good stable players. It's truly amazing how few players from past drafts are with this team. I would really like to know what the league average is for players from drafts, say 5-6 years ago, that are still with their original teams?




Gee, I wish we had a GM that actually brought us a SB trophy once in a while!  (wow, that felt so cool to finally say to someone. Take that, you fake fan!). Honestly, if you don't like Reese then you don't like the New York Giants! So, go root for a team like the Browns who never win anything and burn your Giants jerseys while you're at it!  flushedflushedflushed

In Reese We Trust! Put back the Superbowl Clock!  All In!

Sir, I have been a Giant fan for over 60 years, don't ever tell me who to root for.
 If you think Reese is the second coming of George Young, fine, but take off your rose colored glasses and really look at his draft picks over his tenure here. If you think anyone with Giants across their shirts can do no wrong, then you are too far gone to be helped.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:23 PM

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You have my apologies. I am fairly new here and I am still learning the ins and outs.

I made that mistake a thread or two ago, when I was smiling while typing but it just didn't come out that way.

Once again, my bad.
There is no 'I' in team

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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:34 AM

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This is a great back-and-forth.

Just so you know I used to be a regular here but haven't been around in a while. From the inside fan perspective looking out it's interesting to look at the Giants 3 GM's (3 GM's in 35 years is something to marvel at in the first place) George Young vs Accorsi and now Reese. Each one is a legacy of their former boss and they all had strengths and weakness.

The 3 of them produced at least one team to make it to the Super Bowl - I didn't do the research but I cant think of other franchise in modern times that has had 3 successive NFL GM's take their team to the Super Bowl.

To the point - Young was something like 4 for 15 in drafting a quality starter in the first round. He was totally brilliant in rounds 2-15 but the first round flummoxed him. Accorsi spent a ton of top draft picks on running backs and wide receivers and with the exceptions of Toomer and Barber (and perhaps Joe Jurvervicius) could not find any quality at those positions

Reese and his crew would't know a good linebacker if they were standing on top of one. But seem to have all else under control..

Nobody is perfect, but these 3 Giant GM's have been better than good enough and better than any 3 consecutive GM's in the NFL
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Posted: 8/13/2014 6:17 AM

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Ive used the linked draft side for years,and mainly to emphasize one point. Look how few of our o line selections have panned out in comparison to the success we have had with free agents at that position. Btw whats up schwa???biggrin

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